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Old 02-21-2020, 10:28 AM   #12631
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It is a natural evolution of the market.



I'd wager the average person does not care what wheels drive their car. I'd guess over half don't even know. Most people just want a nice car that looks good, is "sporty" decently fast and has luxury stuff.



I would even go so far as to say the majority of purchases of this car will never drive the car hard enough to even feel the under steer this car will produce.
We've also proven time and time again, a well designed FWD car will be just as fun and inspiring to drive. (see the guys nut swinging the Fist, Mini, Integra, etc).

Evo is FWD based as well. I've driven a CLA, it's sporty and enjoyable for what it is - an entry level compact luxury car.

That's what all of these are, and most are available with AWD and sport tuned versions.
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the look of that atrocity and pricing is downright nauseating. Not really liking the whole bmw exterior designs these days.
Mercedes has really emerged as the top styling dog of over Audi and BMW.
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Oh god. I had almost forgot about thing
I didn’t unfortunately . The first person I see actually driving one of those I will most likely throw up on.
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Mercedes has really emerged as the top styling dog of over Audi and BMW.
agreed mercedes is nicest of the 3. the ‘20 cla amg 45 is pretty cool exterior design wise and their revised awd setup looks promising.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...5-photos-info/

current 3 series looks real boring and imo already dated. I often mistake it for a lexus from behind. sad because I was appreociating some of their earlier designs like the m2.

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Corbic, but MB is obviously trash since Geely owns a 1/5 of them right?

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/01/22/...t-cut-in-half/

And before long it’s probably going to be even more. A good fiend of mine is an engineer for Daimler in Detroit and he says the situation is REAL bad. He’s had his feelers out for months now because he feels like he’s on a sinking ship.

MB has some hits but since they have so many vehicles they have some serious misses too. Have you seen the 2020 GLB? Hideous vehicle. The interior is atrocious. Looks like shit out of an early fast and furious movie that was supposed look cool. The same friend has a GLC and he HATES the interior. He drives one because it gets it for nothing. The GLC Coupe. Horrible horrible looking vehicle. Styling is certainly subjective (again there were people that thought the Aztec was worthy of production) but over engineering and bad design choices are not.

People buy these awful looking vehicles for the exact reasons Corbin mentioned. Status, etc. But what they’re being sold is are the keys to bad taste and poor decisions.
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https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/24/...00-horsepower/

Rumor is next gen STI is going 400hp 2.4l turbo from the Accent.
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Rumor is next gen STI is going 400hp 2.4l turbo from the Accent.
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Right? It should have at least 1000hp.

I mean thatís reasonable for a car that is essentially a fast economy car.

1100 go or its garbage.
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Corbic, but MB is obviously trash since Geely owns a 1/5 of them right?

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/01/22/...t-cut-in-half/

And before long itís probably going to be even more. A good fiend of mine is an engineer for Daimler in Detroit and he says the situation is REAL bad. Heís had his feelers out for months now because he feels like heís on a sinking ship.

MB has some hits but since they have so many vehicles they have some serious misses too. Have you seen the 2020 GLB? Hideous vehicle. The interior is atrocious. Looks like shit out of an early fast and furious movie that was supposed look cool. The same friend has a GLC and he HATES the interior. He drives one because it gets it for nothing. The GLC Coupe. Horrible horrible looking vehicle. Styling is certainly subjective (again there were people that thought the Aztec was worthy of production) but over engineering and bad design choices are not.

People buy these awful looking vehicles for the exact reasons Corbin mentioned. Status, etc. But what theyíre being sold is are the keys to bad taste and poor decisions.
Wrong. FAKE NEWS.

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Li Shufu acquired the 9.7 percent holding through Geely Group, a company owned by the 54-year-old and managed by the carmaker he controls, according to a statement Saturday.
The owner of Geely bought 9.7% of Daimler's stock. Geely doesn't own 20% of MB. Daimler and Geely do have a partnership, but that is required in order to sell anything in China (partnering with a local company).

Yes, Daimler is hurting, so is Ford and everyone else. Diesel Gate will hit every single diesel selling brand and is a lot of bullshit.

Essentially, Governments set unrealistic requirements, came up with a test standard and car makers designed their vehicles to perform to the test standards. Shockingly these vehicles don't perform to the test standard when not operating in the test parameters.

Mercedes, and others, have blown out the range to accommodate niche vehicles and quasi mini SUVs. Everyone has done this and it's a reflection of consumer tastes. It's no longer 3 sizes of sausage.

Nothing wrong with the GLC interior. Sorry your friend hates it. Each their own. As for GLC Coupe, it's to compete within that trend also seen in the X6, and others.

GLC sold 72k units last year and the GLB will likely be a hit. Its a cute-ute like the popular Jeep Renegade. Pricing starts at $36k.

Not sure how the GLB is "Hideous". It's a conservative design.

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Right? It should have at least 1000hp.



I mean thatís reasonable for a car that is essentially a fast economy car.



1100 go or its garbage.
Or at least 450hp. It's current year. N/A V8's have been over 400hp for almost 10 years now with economy car V6s putting down 300-330hp for almost 15 years.

Focus RS was 350hp.
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If you don’t think that’s hideous I have nothing else to discuss with you on design. lol.


Speaking of design, this is how you design a beautiful car. Makes the Model S and even the Taycan look boring. It again, China, so trash.

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^ It's a 'concept' car so, no fucks given.
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If you donít think thatís hideous I have nothing else to discuss with you on design. lol.


Speaking of design, this is how you design a beautiful car. Makes the Model S and even the Taycan look boring. It again, China, so trash.

That's is hot, found it rendered in other colors.

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^ It's a 'concept' car so, no fucks given.
Typically thatís the case but with Polestar their cars the 1 and 2) look like concept cars. This ďconceptĒ doesnít have anything super crazy that canít see production. And again, some of the shit (like the glass window showing the orange wiring) in the 1 is concept car kinda stuff. And lastly, typically the purpose of a concept is to preview future design language. This thing is beautiful. The two polestar cars are already amazing, but the evolution of the design language is pretty striking.
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That's is hot, found it rendered in other colors.

Wrong car, that’s the MB EQS. You know, from the leader in styling as you put it.


For the record, I think the direction they’re going in with this EQS is worlds better than they’ve done in decades. Even if it is more generic blob than anything.
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Wrong car, thatís the MB EQS. You know, from the leader in styling as you put it.


For the record, I think the direction theyíre going in with this EQS is worlds better than theyíve done in decades. Even if it is more generic blob than anything.
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That's it?
I'm cool with 400hp... I can already barely utilize the stock power in my 2015 without being way over the speed limit.

A little more interesting is going to be the GR86 using this motor (discussed a few pages ago) and the likelihood of it making 500whp with bolt-ons & E85. Seeing as the STI is going to have 400hp I wonder if the GR86/ WRX will be making at least 300hp?
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Seeing as the STI is going to have 400hp I wonder if the GR86/ WRX will be making at least 300hp?
No way the 86 would be 300hp as that eclipses the 4cyl Supra. Detuned version if anything.
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No way the 86 would be 300hp as that eclipses the 4cyl Supra. Detuned version if anything.
The 2020 WRX makes more HP than the GR Supra 2.0.

If they do actually end up making a 2.4T GR86 I'm pretty sure it's going to make over 255hp, but of course that's just my speculation.

On another note... What type of person is the GR Supra 2.0 even marketed to?
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https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/25/...nce-crossover/

The GLA 45 debuts with 385 hp. No price but it’s going to be north of $50k (probably $55). So a STi with 400hp at $45k sounds just about right.
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The GLA 45 debuts with 385 hp. No price but itís going to be north of $50k (probably $55). So a STi with 400hp at $45k sounds just about right.
S Version makes 416hp.

Price is $53k

Remember back in the 90's when a Subaru WRX STI made 280hp when the typical V8 squeezed out less then 250hp?
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So dumb. You canít autox crossover/suvs if Iím not mistaken.

Wagons ftw.
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So dumb. You canít autox crossover/suvs if Iím not mistaken.

Wagons ftw.
The douchebag aggressive freeway/highway SUV driver has increased in number and has increased demand for "nicer" cars. This is probably the effect of that, sadly.
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I'm cool with 400hp... I can already barely utilize the stock power in my 2015 without being way over the speed limit.

A little more interesting is going to be the GR86 using this motor (discussed a few pages ago) and the likelihood of it making 500whp with bolt-ons & E85. Seeing as the STI is going to have 400hp I wonder if the GR86/ WRX will be making at least 300hp?
I wonder if it would maintain UEL's or go with equal length like the WRX has? It would be the first STI without the subie sound.

The STI is LONG overdue for a new engine. The ej is tired af.
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The 2.0 is for the more tax burden and emission controlled parts of the world. That cost difference be comes a canyon when you include annual registration fees, congestion tolls and $3/litre of premium petrol.
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