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06-20-2019, 10:02 AM | #12031 |
ITS LISA'S FAULT!!!
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because the general public doesnt do research, doesnt care about underlying issues because it requires too much thought and they know jack shit about cars. the general public these days doesnt give 2 shits about technology nor do they care about understanding it. they just want technology to work like their cell phones.
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06-20-2019, 10:27 AM | #12032 | |
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what I dont like about the gt500 is lack of manual, but not necc a terrible thing for me as I hate mustang shifters. agreed the cayman gt4 is awesome and glad its got a flat 6 w manual. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...s-specs-price/ |
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06-20-2019, 10:59 AM | #12033 | |
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Meanwhile the GT4 would easily be available to order at a dealer. I also happen to think the current design of the Caymen is one of best looking Porches of all time. The fact that there’s a manual further drives home the fact that that would be the car for me.
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06-20-2019, 12:24 PM | #12034 |
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Flappy paddles are great for the track and shaving every tenth off lap times. But driving to the track or to work or just the store, the operation of a manual is a lot more fun imo
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06-28-2019, 03:51 PM | #12035 |
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gt500 priced at around $74k. $18.5k for the aero & carbon wheels. $10k for painted stripes.
https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-ford-m...-30-1835940835 not terrible if you can actually get it at $74k, but I like the value of the gt350 more. the options are just offensively priced. when you factor in adm, its not going to be far off from a zr1 or porsche gt3. im not liking this very much so far. |
06-29-2019, 03:20 PM | #12036 | |
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Charger for the win. |
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06-30-2019, 08:00 AM | #12037 | |
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It’s funny how much we and the automotive press rip on Nissan for decade old platforms but it’s perfectly fine for FCA. I do like how this thing looks.
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06-30-2019, 04:50 PM | #12040 |
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I need a 4+ door vehicle that's still reasonably fun to drive, and I'd consider a 392 Charger if it were offered in a manual. Kinda left with the Chevrolet SS, or hunting for a G8 GXP.
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07-01-2019, 09:44 AM | #12042 | |
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The deal is, FCA has made meaningful updates to the car in terms of styling, build quality, interior design and powertrain. The GTR and 370Z remain almost entirely unchanged. The small tweaks made to the GTR seem to be totally mitigated by the fact its nearly doubled in price since launch. The 370Z has been utterly uncompetitive since 2011 and introduction of the Coyote engine. I'm honestly shocked we had 4k idiots buy that car last year. Compare the Z33 and Z34 ands clear consumers liked the 350 way more. Nissan should have immediately hit "refresh" after the first 4 misserible sales years. |
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07-01-2019, 09:48 AM | #12043 |
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Also despite its weight, the LX cars do hang with the completion and can "turn".
In C&D's lighting lap, at VIR, WB Hellcat is spanking some seriously dedicated track oriented cars like the Boss 302, older Z06, Ford GT, Viper, GT3, M4, etc. |
07-01-2019, 10:02 AM | #12044 |
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a newer platform doesnt always translate to stronger sales either (ie - camaro or miata). I think what really counts is keeping in touch with what customers want and working dilligently on updates such that the car remains commercially competitive despite age of the platform. if its a good product today, most are not counting the age of the platform.
pleasing enthusiasts I imagine is also hard as hell, as they are often nitpicky about so many things. regarding the lightning lap, its interesting to see in the past decade how most american & european cars have improved. many of the fast cars, like the mustang performance pack 2, have remained a reasonably strong value. |
07-01-2019, 11:05 AM | #12045 | |
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It's great to jerk off on track times, but if the car is not prarcial, hard to see out of, expensive and ugly as sin, it's not going to sell (Ala Camaro). FCA knows it's buyers and knows they are commuting to work and only occasionally seeing the strip or dirt. This is why the Wrangler got 4drs and more cozy, this is why Cheerokes are Mall Rated and the Charger/Challengers make oodles of torque and cool burn outs while being the size of minivans. I think the Miata failed because while technically superior, it's just to small for the American market. It's a toy, not a sexy/cute drop top fit for commuting traffic and practical living. The GTFRZ86 is another great example. Toyota should have led with the Celica nameplate for brand recognition and provided an up powered engine. It's a sports car that literally gets smoked by Honda minivans in traffic. H6, Turbo 4, 2.5, whatever, it needed a minimum of 250hp. Telling consumers theh are wrong is never the correct answer. Last edited by Corbic; 07-01-2019 at 01:11 PM.. |
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07-01-2019, 11:52 AM | #12046 |
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Yeah I think the Japanese as a whole, have been pretty terrible with staying in touch with what the american consumer wants.
I really like the camaro myself but agree it didnt effectively address the demand for better outwards visability and a visual design that differentiated itself further from its predessor. thankfully for me, poor performing sales also means attractive discounts and no adm. it will be interesting to see how well the new corvette does in temes of sales. |
07-01-2019, 01:46 PM | #12047 | |
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Now I eye the GT86 and think wow put a FoST engine in that thing and it would haul ass. Ya either a FoST or even a FiST engine and that car would have balls and go like stink. Call me crazy, I don”t know if I will ever buy a new car again. My sports car tastes have gone classic or upstream. A Caymen is an idea I think I would get one of those over an M2. Camaro great on paper ugly in real world, Mustang I go back and forth. New Vette could be very interesting. In the end the car has to deliver the visceral feel. Oh and ya I do have a weak spot for a Guila Qaudrafogglio call me crazy. Notice how there are no modern Japanese cars in this assement outside of a used GT86 with an engine swap? :rolf:
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07-01-2019, 03:02 PM | #12048 |
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Id be cautious with any Porsche just because you often get reamed with lots expensive options you may not need. Good luck finding a stripper model or something close to it.
The fist would make a fun daily and cheap to run car on the track, but it's just not that fast of a car. I was really tempted to trade in my beater for a used fist earlier this year. Seems like it would be enjoyable to deliver pizzas in one. on separate topic, seems like c7 is confirmed to be dead. was really hoping it’d be built along the more expensive c8. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-2-7-million/ |
07-01-2019, 04:51 PM | #12049 | |
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300whp FiST”s are getting pretty common and I have to tell you on track and in the Canyons they are absolute monsters. They actually win a lot in Autocross a lot which are pretty stock. Plus it feels fast and will put a guaranteed smile on your face. It is by far the the best FWD drive car I have ever driven and does not drive like a FWD drive car. On top of that throw ( aka non Torque Vectoring magic) a real LSD in it and if you did not know you would think it was awd or RWD. Its a great daily and awesome Canyon/track car. I even know RS track guys that are now tracking FiST’s. Look up Rome Medrano. He runs Thunderhill and Seca all the time in a Green Envy FiST.
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07-02-2019, 02:38 PM | #12050 |
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I’m sure its a good car to mod, but I’d rather just pay more up front for a car I dont need to mod all that much from the factory. maybe im old, but I just value reliability a lot more. Mods add up in cost way too easily, reliability can be a risk, and for me gets to be addictive behavior.
I’m happy with my evo with suspension parts and bolt ons Ive got sitting around from another evo I got rid of. Otherwise Im content to move on with the expense and hassle of car modding. besides, I think the fist is a good car stock as is. I cant imagine needing to replace more than tires, brake fluids, pads, and get a good alignment. what makes a car like that fun to me, is I imagine its limits are more accessible. it makes it a fun street car. |
07-02-2019, 03:45 PM | #12051 |
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That’s where I’m at. If I ever do get a fun car again that is. I’ve been spoiled with new cars for way too long.
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07-02-2019, 05:10 PM | #12052 |
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I just dont have the patience or time for fixing up older cars. Looking back, I regret ever getting into it and wish I could have just done more track days with something like a relatively bone stock evo or miata instead. Those were my best car memories.
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07-02-2019, 09:50 PM | #12053 |
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Man, as I get older I feel like tinkering even more. Not heavy modding, but just building something more fun than factory AND still fairly reliable (my SR stays around 350HP for that reason). The new cars leave me so bummed. I realize driving my daily that I don't enjoy driving anymore. I need to get my s14 back up and finished, there is something so pure about driving it.
I don't really think anything these days grabs my attention, except for as Drift Freaq said - a used GT86 w/ different motor. The rest of anything under 50k doesn't excite me much these days, and that is a statement that applies to domestic, JDM, KDM, or anything else.
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07-03-2019, 05:43 AM | #12054 | |
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I used to auto x my bone stock 240’s and loved it. I really loved running significantly faster times than expensive modded cars. There’s a real sense of accomplishment from that.
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07-03-2019, 06:02 AM | #12055 |
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RIP Lee. A true automotive icon.
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07-03-2019, 11:42 AM | #12058 |
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07-03-2019, 11:55 AM | #12059 |
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eh... ive been wreching and working on my 240 A LOT lately. it sat in my garage dormant for 2 years and finally getting back into it again has been bringing me a lot of happiness finally seeing major progress being made! trying to have the car 95% done by this time next year! that includes body work and paint (car goes in for tuning and tons of engine bay goodies in 2 weeks).
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07-03-2019, 03:23 PM | #12060 |
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Yeah I too wish I spent less time modding/wrenching and more time just driving. While I DID do a lot of driving, I wish I spent all that 'mod' money for track events and such. While I can afford to now, I don't have the car and time anymore. Now that I'm thinking of getting another S13, these shits are hard to find non-salvage/non-abused nowadays.
I daily a Prius (fuck me, i know), and the garage queen is an SMG E46 M3 I inherited. While the M3 is GREAT, it's overkill for what makes me happy; and that's having the "driving a slow car fast" feeling. While it's fun as hell occasionally bombing down the 10 with it, it's not a stickshift. Something way more visceral about driving an SR-swapped base model manual S13, made spirited driving a WAY more engaging experience. Sadly very few cars out now can probably give me that same feeling. Sounds like a Miata or FiST can do that.
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