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Old 06-04-2020, 09:58 AM   #12991
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I mean sure they look similar in the sense that they have 2 doors and 4 wheels and over all proportions are similar.
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and the headlights, and the bumper minus the spoiler, and the roofline, and pretty much everything minus the front spoiler and the rear over fenders, hence the nismo edition comment
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It's almost like the z33 concept was a Z revival trying to get middle aged men to buy the Z they couldn't in their youth before switching gears to pick up styling ques from the 300ZX.
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Part of the original deal was that the two companies would never merge but would own equal share in each other. Renault immediately went back on the deal and worked to further merge the companies from there.

None of this is surprising but how long it took Nissan executives to act.
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Part of the original deal was that the two companies would never merge but would own equal share in each other. Renault immediately went back on the deal and worked to further merge the companies from there.

None of this is surprising but how long it took Nissan executives to act.
Yes, Japanese companies have a long history of hating outside CEO's and influences. Articles in the early 2000's hailed Goshen for breaking past this barrier and really returning Nissan into the profit margins.

While I've always blamed him for much of Nissan's recent failings, maybe I was to harsh. Maybe the stagnation we've seen since ~2008 was the result of to much internal push back and a lack of forward synergy.
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Renault actively squashed Nissan's image as high tech and sporty while using all their engineering and manufacturing prowess to gain that for themselves.
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https://news.yahoo.com/california-sh...180026843.html

Not that I'm trying to start an EV vs ICE debate, I'm genuinely curious about your opinions.
I guess they think it wasn't expensive enough for people to live in California.
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Not that I'm trying to start an EV vs ICE debate, I'm genuinely curious about your opinions.
I guess they think it wasn't expensive enough for people to live in California.
so. . . . 40% of NEW "big rigs" have to be electric by 2024, and ALL new big rigs electric by 2045.

no mention anywhere of personal vehicles having to be electric, or any methods to motivate existing owners of gasoline vehicles into retiring their dino-powered cars.

not sure how this is a terrible thing?

the biggest downside I can see is more related to power generation and transport than actual vehicles themselves. PGE just recently losing their court case regarding the norcal fires that wiped out entire towns, their staggering inability/unwillingness to maintain their infrastructure, general high costs of electricity due to dumb shit regarding the closure of San Onofre, potential shutdown of Diablo Canyon, etc.

I'm more concerned about the power grid as transportation moves toward electric, and its inability to keep up.
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2035 maybe. I don't see this happening in less than 5 years. at best will drive shipping costs up high.

"California is once again leading the nation in the fight to make our air cleaner, becoming the first place in the world to mandate zero-emission trucks by 2045," Governor Gavin Newsom said in a Thursday statement. "Communities and children of color are often forced to breathe our most polluted air, and today's vote moves us closer toward a healthier future for all of our kids."

Yeah not sure I quite buy that sales pitch.
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So what about all the polution generated to mine the materials for all those batteries and also generate all the electricity to support them...
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So what about all the polution generated to mine the materials for all those batteries and also generate all the electricity to support them...
all im going to say is this... take a look at whats going on in our world right now, logic and reason have gone down the toilet. our world is now run based on feelings, being PC and cancel culture.

at the end of the day, decisions like these are being made based on "feelings" instead of logic!
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all im going to say is this... take a look at whats going on in our world right now, logic and reason have gone down the toilet. our world is now run based on feelings, being PC and cancel culture.

at the end of the day, decisions like these are being made based on "feelings" instead of logic!
10000% the truth! Been sayn that for years and its only getn worse
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I think theres merit with the protests and some social justice calls, but I think a lot of this is going to far. I also think politicians like Gavin Nuisance is just riding on the latest bandwagon to further his own agenda. All politicians do it, but in this case its just cringey.
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I think theres merit with the protests and some social justice calls, but I think a lot of this is going to far. I also think politicians like Gavin Nuisance is just riding on the latest bandwagon to further his own agenda. All politicians do it, but in this case its just cringey.
So how much of the right thing is too much? Too correct?
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2035 maybe. I don't see this happening in less than 5 years. at best will drive shipping costs up high.

"California is once again leading the nation in the fight to make our air cleaner, becoming the first place in the world to mandate zero-emission trucks by 2045," Governor Gavin Newsom said in a Thursday statement. "Communities and children of color are often forced to breathe our most polluted air, and today's vote moves us closer toward a healthier future for all of our kids."

Yeah not sure I quite buy that sales pitch.
We're talking about numbers of new trucks purchased - explain why?
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all im going to say is this... take a look at whats going on in our world right now, logic and reason have gone down the toilet. our world is now run based on feelings, being PC and cancel culture.

at the end of the day, decisions like these are being made based on "feelings" instead of logic!
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I know most of us here have completely given up hope on Nissan reviving the s-chassis, but I did notice something a bit interesting while browsing the "Nissan Next" commercial comments on Youtube...



It is also one of the most liked comments in the comment section, and Nissan didn't like all that many comments...

Interesting! Though I am sure it is likely a big nothing burger, it is still a small ray of hope.

Also, mark me down as a fan of what was shown in that commercial for the Z. I really, really like it even without much in the way of detail. Instantly sportier than anything donning a Nissan badge in quite some time.
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Interesting! Though I am sure it is likely a big nothing burger, it is still a small ray of hope.
you're being VERY optimistic. I wish I wasn't so jaded. Hard to be hopeful about a company that keeps snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

They couldn't even manage to come out with the IDx, which was one of the best concepts any mfr has produced in the last decade. The landscape would look very different for Nissan if they had. Instead they doubled down and gave us 57 new variations on a small CUV platform that no one cares about. Never in your life have any of you heard "oh wow I can't wait for the new Nissan Kicks/Juke/Rogue/Murano"
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I legit had to google what a Kick was.

Though it is not terrible looking I assume it's transmission is going to break in less than 100K miles.
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I legit had to google what a Kick was.

Though it is not terrible looking I assume it's transmission is going to break in less than 100K miles.
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How the hell is it Nissan pioneered the CVT and have the most issues with it? Every other automaker seems to be doing fine with their versions of it.
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I legit had to google what a Kick was.

Though it is not terrible looking I assume it's transmission is going to break in less than 100K miles.
we had a kicks here in the shop over xmas time for BOSE graphics install for their booth at my day job... i liked the thing TBH.

but Nissan doesnt offer it in stick here in the US (it does in EU and JP) aaaaaaaaaaand the rear straight axle thing absolutely killed it for me! the Kicks would look dope AF dumped on some nice wheels! would be a great daily and is roughly the size of my Protege5. but due to the suspension choice of straight rear axle plus lack of manual trans, not interested at all!

same thing with the Toyota CH-R. if they wouldve made it in stick, i woulda been all over that damn thing ! looks SOOOOO good on coilovers. but no manual (and lack of turbo). NOPE!
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How the hell is it Nissan pioneered the CVT and have the most issues with it? Every other automaker seems to be doing fine with their versions of it.
Maybe it is Jatco's fault.

Interesting article that shows how many of their vehicles have issues
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I legit had to google what a Kick was.

Though it is not terrible looking I assume it's transmission is going to break in less than 100K miles.
yeah, doesn't look terrible, but HOW Nissan thinks they need 174 different CUV models, and sacrifices the BEST new design they've had since the R35 came out IN TWO THOUSAND AND NINE (which actually was first shown in 2001 as a rough demo car), is still beyond me.

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it'll fit JANK.. and no one likes Jank except Broke ass zilvians.
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