hey guys... finally got my password working again. think the cookies were stuffing it up for me the other day
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But only a small percentage of those who buy the unit are going to need extensive support directly from him...
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depends what you call a small percentage... and extensive support. it tends to vary depending on the customer and the problem involved. sometimes its a vehicle problem, technical issue and sometimes its something i have to investigate further on this end. there is still a lot more things we can discover with the lower level details with Nissan ECUs
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This is not Hondata, nor is it Windows 2000. It's a product modeling itslef on DIY market.
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Yes we developed our boards for the market of those who were buying EPROM boards and emulators. We offered ourselves as a viable replacement which was easier to use.
However the software licensing was based similar to those of 'flash tunes' used in many systems such as Uprev (Nissan), ECU Tune (Suburu), LS1Edit (GMH) etc which are based on a business model of pay per vehicle. You will notice these costs are quite high per vehicle, compared to our costs
However we wanted to offer individuals some flexiblity of tuning multiple cars, but within certain constraints (ie not to be taken advantage of by tuners who emulate/EPROM burn for many cars)
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I think it would be a lot more fair to the consumers if the basic tuning software was avaialble and did not need a license.
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More fair to whom? Most tuning software is either (a) pay per tune (b) per license or (c) incorporated into the cost of the hardware. We are (b)
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You would also have to agree with me that the "preferred shop list" or limiting the "workshop" software to only shops - will also LIMIT the number of tuners who will be able to fully exlpore the potential of the Nistune units for it's clients.
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Yes it can be viewed as such. Its just our guide of those who are familliar with Nistune and request to be listed if they have a tuners licence. Not all our workshop holders are on this list btw. Some are still getting familiar with using it or havent asked to be listed yet (ones listed have approached us)
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If you take a AEM EMS, a guy buys one second hand. Same engine, same car. He can go DL the software for himself and get going with tuning the EMS.
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License is transferrable, second hand is not a problem here.Got lawyers at the moment updating the current agreement
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With the Nistune, if you bought the ecu second hand and the licenses were used by the previous owner, then you have to buy a new license.
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not true. Misinformation?
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Let's say I do buy the board and the software. If I sell my car with the board still installed and get a different car, I just have to buy a new board and can keep using my old license? I can do this 3 times? is that what's meant by 1 individual license getting 3 address files?
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Just uninstall the software and it resets the ECU IDs. The limitation was designed so that workshops dont take advantage of the individual license (i know of at least one which does EPROM burns who uses Nistune individual license for commercial purposes ...)
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If I were Nis-Tune honestly I would provide free software to ANY SHOP that asked for it!
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If you were Nistune you would be broke.... This is still secondary income for Nistune/PLMS. Costs of boards is high due to specialised components used and local manufacturing and its not something you get thousands of made in China. The boards are not a highly profitable item. If we were to increase board price to make it such (and include software costs) then it becomes more unattractive for those just getting the board fitted and car tuned by someone else or their friends. Some workshops just use the software for burning EPROMs so we only make a once off sale on software and then have to support them afterwards
If a shop wishes to tune a system, they can run the trial version which will allow them to do this an evaluate the software. They can use the inidivual license that a customer purchases or trial licence to do the job.
This is not an aftermarket ECU replacement. It is not advertised as such and it doesnt have the features to compete with Motec/Vipec etc. It is a system which provides retuning similar to re-FLASH based systems using our hardware and fortunately has found its place in the market