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Old 09-19-2019, 01:11 PM   #398
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^^^I get the thought behind it. I just want to see some hard numbers.
Hard Number is cost of cars haa dramatically risen in the last 25 years related to inflation.

Cars are also being held longer then ever, 12 year average now. While many will hail rust control and reliability, the fact is most people will say "I just can't afford a new $60k truck or $600/m for a Camry"

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For instance in this article different people say different things.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sac...235219252.html

Then there is this point.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2365337001
Don't care, can't trust anyone anymore.

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In the world of political softball would an auto maker really change up their plans Knowing the president will not be in power forever and that another president one day could simply reverse the rules.
California is going to sue. The courts will make a decision and set thr precidence. If they decide "No California", you won't be repleaing that with thr next DNC President. If they decide "Yes Cali!" nothing changes and more lawsuits will follow on other State V Federal issues.

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Plus vehicles for sale in 2023 are likely in production or Bill phase now so it’s not like it would have a an immediate effect.
Not so much. Companies (like FCA) are just lined up to pay huge fines or shut down production lines.

Take the politics out of it, and it's just idiotic that California (et al) are able to bully OEMs and people into subverting Federal standards.

It's not just Intial sales that are an issue for OEMs and consumers, but also used vehicles. Cali (et al) have no problem rejecting registrations and certificates of other used vehicles. If OEM choose to say "fuck CARB" you'll be seeing lawsuits when someone buys a car in Texas then moves to Cali and can't register it. It's interfering with interstate commerce.

So for all the leftist suddenly "OMG States Rights Hypocrites!", yes, Indiana has a right not to be bludgeoned into adopting California standards by sheer economic/numerical force. This is also why we need to maintain the Electoral College.

As for the tree huggers, tail pipe emissions are not an issue. Oil companies don't care about automotive gasoline.

12 Largest Container ships (ones importing made in China slave labor Facist state products) contribute more pollution then ALL THR CARS IN THE WORLD.

All the Smog in Cali is from... Those Chinese Factories.


Oil production primarily supports electricity production, industrial bases, heating and.... PLASTIC.

Anything you own, touch or use that contains plastic is a petroleum product. Oil companies do not care about MPG. Such narrow minded morons. Emerging markets are adding millions of new vehicles. New plastic products add billions of barrels of crude. Expanding industrial nations can't get enough crude oil.

Big Oil has done zilch to increase Gasoline production. They don't care, they'll just adjust prices and maitian margins.
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