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Nan Desu Ka?!
10-10-2005, 04:20 AM
im going to be running 15X8" +0 offset rims with like a 3" lip. im dropped on tokico's and Stechs and will be running either 215 or 225/50 tires. in your experiences will i need an agressive pull with these or not? i have had 1 person tell me i just need simple roll and mild pull to someone telling me im going to need wide body/fender flares and camber to make them work.

any input would be much appreciated.

only reason i ask this is becuase i dont have tires on them yet and was wondering if im really going to need to stretch them so they fit or if i can run a wider tire.

thanks in advance. please keep the flame heat down.

sideview_180sx
10-10-2005, 04:46 AM
run a 195/50 up front and a 205/50 in the rear. since you won't be low enough to tuck tire. I seriously doubt it if you can have less then a 2 finger gap b/w the wheel and fender. If anything you may want to end up going even lower. No roll would be necessary. if you feel its necessary. Get a 1inch thick pipe and use that to flatten the inner lip if you actually have clearance problems.

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 08:11 AM
You Know The Stock 240sx Offset Is 15x7 +35 Right? A 0 Offset On A 15x8 Wheel Will Put The Wheel Outside The Fender +50mm Or More, Thats About 2".

s134
10-10-2005, 08:16 AM
actually the stock specs0 are 15x6 around 42 offset, where the hell did you get those specs from?

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 08:34 AM
Thats What Was On My S13 When I Measured My Aluminum Teardrops.

Still, 15x6 +42 Is Still Going To Mean The 15x8 +0 Will Be Out Over 2".

Nan Desu Ka?!
10-10-2005, 11:21 AM
we shall see. i dont think its going to be that bad. i know im goign to need a roll for sure.

And even if i have to pull like and inch with a bit of camber it will be ok, i was just wondering if someone had had experience with this kind of size on their cars and what kind of pull they had to do.

RBS14
10-10-2005, 11:29 AM
you'll only need a mild pull.

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 11:48 AM
If 2" Is Mild You People Are Crazy. Thats Major Negative Camber With An Inch Or More Of Flare... Yup Mild.

If You Were In Az I'd Pull The 15x7 +0 Wheels Off My 240z So You Could See How Mild It Is.

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 11:54 AM
THIS IS 15X7" +0:
http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/photopost/data/500/7858z9.JPG

THIS IS ON MY CAR WHICH ORIGINALLY HAD A 14X6 +0 WHEELS... SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE WILL BE 42MM MORE WHEEL OUTSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL WHEEL PLUS THE EXTRA 2" OF WIDTH YOU ARE ADDING.

MILD PULL :duh:

KOUKI KA-T
10-10-2005, 12:31 PM
You Know The Stock 240sx Offset Is 15x7 +35 Right? A 0 Offset On A 15x8 Wheel Will Put The Wheel Outside The Fender +50mm Or More, Thats About 2".

WTF are you talking about?
First off, your wheel specs are all wrong.
Second, the stock wheels are far from flush with the fender in the first place. Fuck they're nearly 2" SUNK IN with stock wheels, they'd hardly extend past the fenders, and nowhere near 2"!

RBS14
10-10-2005, 12:32 PM
obviously you are mistaken. Example, 17x9 0 offset on stock fender S14.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/ScooterS14/wheels/DSCN0440.jpg

Based on your reasoning, I'd need overfenders to fit those wheels. But they fit.

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 12:45 PM
MY OLD S13 WITH 17X7 +40:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/67962front.jpg

RBS14
10-10-2005, 12:48 PM
So what's your point? They're still sunken like a battleship, and it's stock height and camber.

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 12:49 PM
S14 Is Different Than S13 Obviously... Ohh On My Car The Lip Of The Wheel Was Flush With The Fender And The Spokes Actually Stuck Out Of The Car.

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 12:52 PM
The Point Is He Is Going To Add Half An Inch To The Outside Of The Wheel Then Move It Out 40mm.... Thats Going Mean The Wheel Is Going To Stick 52.7mm Further Out From Where The Wheel In My Pic Is Sitting.

Aftermarket Suspension Means Nothing For Fitment Except For Inboard Fitment And The Ability To Add Negative Camber.

RBS14
10-10-2005, 12:53 PM
S14 is not that much different.

17x7 +40 was flush? Like hell they were. I'll put my mom on it, and I never saw the car.

Ignorance is bliss I guess...

PROJECTRB240SX
10-10-2005, 12:56 PM
The Top Of The Wheel Was Flush With The Top Of The Front Fender... In The Rear It Sat Maybe Half An Inch In, If That.

Yup, Ignorance Must Be Bliss.

RBS14
10-10-2005, 01:02 PM
Wow, you're a fucing retard. I'd explain why you are wrong, but I'm not going to waste my time.

This is funny. I'll wiat for someone else to come tell you what's up.

So explain me this: how did I fit those wheels under my stock fenders?

Flybert
10-10-2005, 01:12 PM
WAHAHAHAHA, 17x7 +40 is flush on s13? WAHAHAHA. Stupidest post on zilvia ever. I have an s13 and I'm tucking 17x9+17 with 235/40/17 on stock rear fenders with a mild pull and camber. I could even put fatter tires under there because I have more than enough clearance.

RBS14
10-10-2005, 01:16 PM
Thank you Chris. hahaha

KOUKI KA-T
10-10-2005, 01:17 PM
Hahahaha....
How did I never notice how flush the stock teardrops are?? Damn I'm ignorant.

Whoa, S13 wheels ARE flush! (and no not me or my car, 1st pic I could find)
http://home.comcast.net/~erickrm/Image53449203.gif

sideview_180sx
10-10-2005, 02:42 PM
Im fitting 17x9 + 245/40 in the rears with slight pull. I need to pull more so I can tuck them w/o adding camber. for the fronts I put on 17x9 +20 and it sat past the fender maybe 15mm if that much. Shit I'd run those 15x8 +0 and toss on a 10-20mm spacer and some extended studs. Even still, you shouldn't have problems with hitting the wheel as oppsed to rubbing the tire. BTW, if you aren't rubbing some of the time, you aren't low enough.

omgosh
10-10-2005, 03:13 PM
I have some mesh wheels on the back of my s13, 8 inchers with a 235 tire. The tire is about an inch taller than stock overall and it fits fine with no mods. That is at stock height tho, so if I lower it Id probably have to roll a little.

sw20>>s14
10-10-2005, 04:17 PM
Thats What Was On My S13 When I Measured My Aluminum Teardrops.

Still, 15x6 +42 Is Still Going To Mean The 15x8 +0 Will Be Out Over 2".
you dont measure rims lip to lip...and you cant compare the wheels on his s13 to the ones on your Z...different hub position, fender specs, everything...supras run +50; dont compare apples to oranges...

Nan Desu Ka?!
10-10-2005, 07:34 PM
wow, im glad i waited for more responses lol.

looks like mild pull then. thanks guys

chmercer
10-10-2005, 09:15 PM
The Top Of The Wheel Was Flush With The Top Of The Front Fender... In The Rear It Sat Maybe Half An Inch In, If That.

Yup, Ignorance Must Be Bliss.

go kill yourself. your wheels suck ass, your alignment sucks ass, your incessant need to capitalize every letter sucks ass, and the retarded information you constantly spew sucks ass.

just to echo, thoes wheels will need a minor pull. :)

i8yourfwd
10-11-2005, 03:30 AM
wow pwned by zilvia.. gg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/intelectualism/ownedsoccernuts.jpg

upSLIDEdown
10-11-2005, 07:31 AM
You'll definitely need some camber up front, and I would go with a 195 as posted above. I'm running an 18x8.5 +25 up front, but it isn't flush. Out back I'm running an 18x9.5 +25. I've got that under just a rolled fender in the rear with a 245/40/18 on it. Your 0 offset will only stick out 6mm more than my 9.5 +25, so you will need a mild pull, but nothing drastic.

Bryan

krustindumm
10-11-2005, 09:34 AM
obviously you are mistaken. Example, 17x9 0 offset on stock fender S14.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/ScooterS14/wheels/DSCN0440.jpg

Based on your reasoning, I'd need overfenders to fit those wheels. But they fit.

S14's are way way way different. I know this because stuntman240 manages to fit Starion 16x9+0 in the rear with only a roll (I helped him do this), and on an S13 they will stick out 2".

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/2289/83ec.jpg
My 16x8s -10 on my friends car with 1 degree of camber, it'll be a tough fit on my car, but I run a lot more camber and the car hasnt settled yet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/DSC00159.jpg


16x8-10 sits in 2.7mm closer to the car than a 16x9+0

15x7+0 is flush with ~3* negative camber, the 15x8+0 will be 12.7mm wider, so you will need that much pull. If you want 0 camber....
3Sin/190.5= 2.74mm more pull.

-Dustin

KiDyNomiTe
10-11-2005, 10:07 AM
I had 16x8 -10 on my car and they dont fit, until i mutilated my fenders. You will definately need a roll to fit +0s on an 8. Depending on camber you can probably fit the 8 +0 with just a roll, but you will probably need to pull.

lowest offsets I have ran on an S13 with just a roll were 15x7.5 -5, fits flush

Nan Desu Ka?!
10-11-2005, 02:45 PM
thanks guys! imm got dryfit them without tires to get an idea of exactly what kind of pull im going to need.

one more question. can i safely stretch a 205/60/15 onto these rims?

kingsol
10-11-2005, 03:15 PM
it's almost pointless to mount them w/o tires because they'll tuck a lot more when you set them on the ground. just wait till the tires go on and guage it from there. the 205/60 won't be a problem. and w/o coils you won't run into any immediate problems.

RBS14
10-11-2005, 04:20 PM
as kingsol said, DO NOT pull the fenders based on the wheel mounted on the car, hanging in the air. You will be very dissapointed when you get a tire on there, drop it down, and you have a sunken battleship.

Arsenal of Glory
10-11-2005, 04:50 PM
a 17x9.5 +22 will fit on the rear of an S13 with rolled fenders and 225's tires with -2 to -2.5 camber.

17x9.5 +22 = 17x8 +4et

15x8 +0 easy fit. Stop being a wuss and just roll your fenders anyway. Get tires mounted to your wheel and make the car fit the wheel. Test fitting your wheel on the car while jacked up in the air is a really bad way to measure. Or just measure where your tire/wheel sits now in relation to your fender and do the math. It's not that hard!

upSLIDEdown
10-11-2005, 09:20 PM
Yeah, as said above, once the car is on the ground, the wheels will camber in more than just fitting them in the air with no tires. Trust us! Also, I was skeptical about rolling my fenders, but after you do the first, it's cake. Get a torch, a good sized hammer, a few rags...I like the red ones called Shop Rags..or Towels. Either way, they're a lot tighter knit than terry towels, so they don't come apart. Heat the fender lip with the torch for a minute or so, constantly moving the torch back and forth so as not to scorch the paint. Then wrap a red rag around the end of the hammer and start pounding. Start in the middle and work your way out. Roll it gradually; i.e. you don't want the middle to be flat and the side to still be untouched...do it a little at a time. You may find that you have to heat it 2-3 times untill you get it flat, I know I did. It will bend easier the warmer it is. When you start to notice it getting harder, stop and reheat it. The heat is what will prevent you from tearing the paint to shit (and the rag). A friend of mine did his without a torch and his fender lips are chipped all to shit now. Anyway, while banging, you'll also want either a rag, or an old rubber soled shoe to press against the outside of the fender lip at the spot you're hitting. Roll em on all four corners (fronts are cake, you will have to remove your fender liners if you haven't already) and sit the car down. I would drive it or at least roll it forward and backward and turn the wheels back and forth so the suspension will settle back to normal. Drive it a little and see if it rubs, if it does, you will hear it. Then you'll need to pull. If it doesn't, you're golden.

Hope that helps!
Bryan

Nan Desu Ka?!
10-12-2005, 12:59 AM
that is exactly what i needed guys, yeah the dry fit looked terrible... looked like i would need like a 1 inch pull but if i set the wheel down i know i will have at least 1* of camber, so it should tuck way better. well, if i can find a torch to use, ill do it ur way upslidedown. if not, ill get ritz to roll them with his eastwood. again, thanks a lot guys! i appreciate the info from those who know! ill get pics up as soon as i put tires on/find my damn usb cable.

drift into a curb
10-12-2005, 02:51 AM
lol PROJECTRB240SX shut up really quick. Hmmm 15x7.5 +0 is a easy fit on s13s. All my s13 friends always add sandwich spacers, at least another 3-5mm which puts it in the range of 15x8+0. On top of that they've only done light hammering. on the fenders. I wouldn't worry about 15x8 +0 at all

upSLIDEdown
10-12-2005, 08:24 AM
well, if i can find a torch to use, ill do it ur way upslidedown. if not, ill get ritz to roll them with his eastwood.

Rolling will go a lot faster if you just use a hammer and torch. Ask anyone. The eastwood comes in handy when you need to pull. Either way you go though, I would definitely use a torch so you save your paint. Trust me, it's not pretty if you don't heat it. You can buy a torch from lowes for $10-12 and it comes with the torch end and a bottle of propane. That's what I used and it worked perfectly.

Good Luck!
Bryan

sultan
10-12-2005, 10:45 AM
if you have enough camber anything fits

16x8 +10 225/50, coilover ghetto rigged to get car off ground
http://home.comcast.net/~mbruni13/cambor.jpg

15x7 +5 205/55, coilover removed
http://home.comcast.net/~mbruni13/1011051.jpg

my shit's broke, coilover is on it's way to tanabe :hsdance:

PROJECTRB240SX
10-12-2005, 11:46 AM
I Haven't Shut Up At All.... You Just Got Three Example Of Why 15x8" +0 Will Stick Out. S14's Are Obviously Very Different.

So 15x7 Will Stick Out Without Negative Cabmer, Then Add Half An Inch And You Get Over 1" Out On Stock Fenders. Yeah It Might Not Be The 2" I Said But It Still Hangs Out Over The Fender Far Enough To Require Alot Of Negative Camber And Large Fender Mods.

PROJECTRB240SX
10-12-2005, 11:50 AM
Then Depending On Tire Size You Have To Take That Into Account...

8" Rim = 228.6mm Wide If You Go With A 235 Up Front You Can Add 6.4mm To The Total Width Of The Package. Wow And Now You've Got A Fender Pull That Looks Like Crap.

RBS14
10-12-2005, 01:26 PM
Then Depending On Tire Size You Have To Take That Into Account...

8" Rim = 228.6mm Wide If You Go With A 235 Up Front You Can Add 6.4mm To The Total Width Of The Package. Wow And Now You've Got A Fender Pull That Looks Like Crap.

Haha can we archive this shit? I want to be able to read this thread when i'm having a bad day. To cheer me up, you know?

hahahahahahahahahaha

Dude, you're just digging yourself a deeper hole. stop while you're behind, instead of waiting till you're way way behind.

kensreliableb18b
10-12-2005, 01:40 PM
i think PROJECTRB240SX is pretty lost :faint:

KOUKI KA-T
10-12-2005, 01:55 PM
Ha, wow.

Kooks car.
17x9 +15 and a 235. Perfect.
http://www.pinkgodzira.com/albums/album02/4_4_2005_013.sized.jpg

Nan Desu Ka?!
10-12-2005, 02:36 PM
if mine look like that ill be happy

Flybert
10-12-2005, 05:35 PM
PROJECTRB240SX is in his own little world where 17x7 +4035870394875039784 is the hot shit. Maybe he's a pizza delivery man and has to cut up his slices with his wheels. I just hope his mind doesn't explode after he looks at the pics posted above of kook's car. Damn, I could go for a hawaiian pizza right now.

krustindumm
10-12-2005, 07:14 PM
I Haven't Shut Up At All.... You Just Got Three Example Of Why 15x8" +0 Will Stick Out. S14's Are Obviously Very Different.

So 15x7 Will Stick Out Without Negative Cabmer, Then Add Half An Inch And You Get Over 1" Out On Stock Fenders. Yeah It Might Not Be The 2" I Said But It Still Hangs Out Over The Fender Far Enough To Require Alot Of Negative Camber And Large Fender Mods.
:coolugh:
my 15x7.5+2 sticks out ~3mm w/ -3* camber. 15x8+0 will be out ~7mm

Arsenal of Glory
10-12-2005, 11:20 PM
:coolugh:
my 15x7.5+2 sticks out ~3mm w/ -3* camber. 15x8+0 will be out ~7mm

a 15x8 +0 will stick out 11mm in comparison to your 15x7.5 +2 sticking out 3mm. Is the car in your sig how it sits now with the 15x7.5 +2 sticking out 3mm? If so, then thats not a good way to guage fitment especially when wheel fitment drastically changes when you lower the car considerably

MakotoS13
10-13-2005, 07:12 AM
stuff you need:

measuring tape

string

weight

http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp

s134
10-13-2005, 08:58 AM
here's a 15x7.5 0 offset with a ride height that will be close to yours...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/743000-743999/743306_26_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/743000-743999/743306_22_full.jpg

ranisron
10-13-2005, 11:15 AM
is that your old car thomas?


I Can Type Like PROJECTRB240SX, But It Takes A Long Time To Do So :p

Nan Desu Ka?!
10-13-2005, 01:05 PM
thanks for the pic s134, i will be stretching some 215's on mine though so the walls wont bulge so much. according to makato's calculator i will have 17mm MORE inner clearance and the position of the outside edge of the wheel will be EXTEND an extra 64mm. if you minus the original +42mm offset you get a wheel that is 22mm further out towards the sidewall. which is damn near perfect...do i calculate that right? makes sense to me in my head anyway.

Dream240
10-13-2005, 01:47 PM
Wow you guys go crazy with the word lashing!! Just reading a few of the posts and I can see you guys need some anger management.

Anyhoo....First of all don't even mention S14s when you're discussing S13s. The chassis are different and so is the wheel fitment. You are talking about two totally different cars when it comes to wheel fitment issues.

That being said....S13 stock steelies and S13 7-spoke alloys fit different cause they ARE different. Steelies are 15x6 +38, 7-spokes are 15x6.5 +38. Also another important difference to note are the wheel sizes. Stock 205/60s will fit better with stock rims, BUT NOWHERE NEAR FLUSH. In my experience it's easier to just do the math.

1mm = .03937 inches
so every mm you are closer to 0mm from +38 means the wheel will be pushed out that measurement.

Ex. 16x8 0 offset vs. 15x6 +38 offset
2" of width difference plus 38mm = 3.50"

So the new rims would stick out 3.5" further than the stock wheel. So take that info and measure your current wheel-to-fender clearance. If it's good then you should be okay. If the add 3.5" will cause a rubbing on the inner fender well then rolling will be needed.

Hope this helps.

Arsenal of Glory
10-13-2005, 03:02 PM
Ex. 16x8 0 offset vs. 15x6 +38 offset
2" of width difference plus 38mm = 3.50"

So the new rims would stick out 3.5" further than the stock wheel. So take that info and measure your current wheel-to-fender clearance. If it's good then you should be okay. If the add 3.5" will cause a rubbing on the inner fender well then rolling will be needed.



you sort of have it down. your overall track width will be increased to 3.5" BUT, that does not make the wheel sit 3.5" further away from the hub. It makes the outer wheel/tire sit 1.75" AWAY from the hub on both inside and outside the fender.

When increasing/decreasing overal track width you always have to divide by half then add/subtract original offset to new offset

Dream240
10-14-2005, 12:10 AM
you sort of have it down. your overall track width will be increased to 3.5" BUT, that does not make the wheel sit 3.5" further away from the hub. It makes the outer wheel/tire sit 1.75" AWAY from the hub on both inside and outside the fender.

When increasing/decreasing overal track width you always have to divide by half then add/subtract original offset to new offset

Oh yeah...oops sorry for the misinfo. I was rushing to write this and was thinking on an empty stomach and full bladder.

Yeah he's right - always divide the width increase by half.

thanks arsenal

Nan Desu Ka?!
10-14-2005, 01:43 AM
with that being said... it should be just about perfect.

BlackSilEighty
12-06-2005, 03:23 PM
im going to be running 15X8" +0 offset rims with like a 3" lip. im dropped on tokico's and Stechs and will be running either 215 or 225/50 tires. in your experiences will i need an agressive pull with these or not? i have had 1 person tell me i just need simple roll and mild pull to someone telling me im going to need wide body/fender flares and camber to make them work.

any input would be much appreciated.

only reason i ask this is becuase i dont have tires on them yet and was wondering if im really going to need to stretch them so they fit or if i can run a wider tire.

thanks in advance. please keep the flame heat down.


I'm running 15x8s right now with 1.25 inch spacers. The sidewalls stick out about 1 inch from the fenders. The very edge of the tire tread is even with the edge of the fender. They rub like crap too. I just got through hammering the fender lip upwards but haven't test driven it yet, so that might be your best bet. I know your new wheels with tires can't stick out as much as mine so I wouldn't sweat it. as long as the tread is inside the lip your fine.

marshun
12-06-2005, 10:41 PM
i got 8.5's with a 0 offset. but im running some camber too. (drift car only) i dont wanna get into debates about what camber you think i should be running. so i'll leave it at that.

-3 in the front
-3.5 in the rear

rims are only 15 inch so i adjusted the camber to work with the tire sizes.

Nan Desu Ka?!
12-07-2005, 01:41 PM
thanks for the added info. im ordering my coilover this week with some 205/55/15 tires based on a LOT or input on here and some other forums. we shall see what happens :D

thanks agian for the almost zero flaming and good info. i <3 zilvia.