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MovinUp-1
11-07-2003, 07:52 PM
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.......

SCCA Formula D?!?!?! (http://www.scca.org/news/press03_146.html)

nocomedown
11-07-2003, 10:14 PM
:repost: check chat section:D
but i guess this is the right forum for it.:doh:

AceInHole
11-08-2003, 01:20 AM
Hmm.... :bash:

I think that's all I can say for now.

sykikchimp
11-08-2003, 02:39 PM
I think it's kinda cool.. I mean, it's not the SCCA Club Racing, it's the for profit "pro racing"..

We'll see either way it appears.

AceInHole
11-09-2003, 09:35 PM
hmmm..... so is this for "professionals" only or is this going to be a part of grass roots racing like SCCA is mainly (should be?) about??

MovinUp-1
11-09-2003, 10:06 PM
it's being run by SCCA Pro Racing, a for profit corporation. In other words, Steve Johnson saw a bunch of kids paying money to watch and drive at these events and thought he would try to cash in. I hope he has the club's best interests at heart with this venture. I hope they're doing this to generate some interest in the SCCA among younger people, not just trying to get some cash flow into Pro Racing. Part of me thinks that SCCA has no business doing drift events because it is not a typical motorsports event. And I don't really have any interest in drifting. But, I don't have any interest in road rally either, and SCCA has been doing that for decades.

Maybe it'll be a good thing. SCCA can bring in some standardized safety requirements and organization. Maybe some of these drifters will come try an autocross or something else with SCCA too.

TRUENOCOUPE
11-10-2003, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by MovinUp-1
Part of me thinks that SCCA has no business doing drift events because it is not a typical motorsports event. And I don't really have any interest in drifting. But, I don't have any interest in road rally either, and SCCA has been doing that for decades.



Not typical motorsport event?

:lol:

MovinUp-1
11-10-2003, 05:21 PM
A typical motorsports event is a time/speed/distance quantitative measure. Drifting is judged. It's like comparing figure skating to speed skating.

240Dave
11-10-2003, 05:30 PM
Yup, both take skill and tallent, but only one is racing :)

That said, I enjoy watching figure skating more, but if I was to ever participate, I'd rather race :cool:

An odd move for the SCCA for sure. Either they have some young blood in there opening eyes or they just saw money, because they sure didn't jump on the bandwagon cauz they thought it was cool.

It couldn't stay underground forever, and while the hype will be annoying to the old school drift nuts, I think its growth is a good thing. Must admit, I'd have rather seen NASA pick this one up but I think the SCCA will pull it off very well.

I'd be curious to hear how DGTA and other similar orginizations fell about this.

Halz
11-10-2003, 09:54 PM
NASA is the last preserve... the last sign of the Apocalypse is when NASA hosts a drift event

MovinUp-1
11-12-2003, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by Halz
NASA is the last preserve... the last sign of the Apocalypse is when NASA hosts a drift event

Hehe, good one. I wish there was a NASA region where I live. We can't get SCCA to approve our local road course for reasons that are kinda muddy and hard to figure out. A few of us have considered starting a NASA region so we could host HPDEs, something SCCA doesn't allow for reasons I will never understand. I've always thought of NASA as the way SCCA could and should be run.

lilredstiffy
11-12-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by MovinUp-1
Hehe, good one. I wish there was a NASA region where I live. We can't get SCCA to approve our local road course for reasons that are kinda muddy and hard to figure out. A few of us have considered starting a NASA region so we could host HPDEs, something SCCA doesn't allow for reasons I will never understand. I've always thought of NASA as the way SCCA could and should be run.

Allen how exactly do you go about setting up a NASA region?
If there was any way we could have sanctioned events at NPR I know a lot of us would be interested.

uuninja
12-04-2003, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Halz
NASA is the last preserve... the last sign of the Apocalypse is when NASA hosts a drift event

I guess that the sound you hear would be hoves then. I was at a NASA sponsored Drift event last month. They also put on a semi-pro exibition durring their track event at VIR in august. And they do all the saftey staffing for Hype-r fest. NASA-VA even has a Drift forum on their boards.

:bash:

Every one is trying to cash in. I for one am glad I like to drift it just means more track time for me.

DS 240R
12-20-2003, 07:11 PM
I heard some drifting organizations are starting to require roll cages. Anyone read the SCCA rules?

doriftokouki
12-22-2003, 01:07 AM
I wonder how much drifting will change :rolleyes: Im not sure what kind of concept the scca has on drifting, they have a passion for racing no doubt, that is why they are what they are, but is there a passion for drifting in the scca? If not, rules might change, view's might change, drifting as we see it might turn into a different sport in the U.S. then what we know it as. All we can do is watch and find out.

Halz
12-22-2003, 02:33 AM
There isn't really a whole lot that can change with drift.

...would they dare restrict turbo cars from a certain drift class? restrict power steering in another class? ...are there even any rules to the 'sport' right now?

The SCCA can only go so far as making sure people are being safe when it comes to drifting, and that they're being profitable in doing so.

doriftokouki
01-04-2004, 12:50 PM
The SCCA has restrictions up the @$$, if they start throwing different restrictions on what mods cars can have to compete in drift they will be stupid, the best part about drift is you can have WHATEVER mods you want on the car, if the scca gets their hands on it they might restrict threaded coilovers, body kits, and everyone will have to run 15x7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (dramatazation) You see where I am getting at though? Noone is going to run in SCCA if they put restrictions on what you can do to the car, its better to go to driftdays and showoffs or even driver search then to go to a drift event with restrictions on mods.

steve shadows
01-06-2004, 04:20 PM
:coolugh: and a couple years ago people used to call us gay for going sideways downhill in the mountains, now the same people are tradding their civics in and the scca is opeing a drift event????:cry:

JasonNagra
01-06-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by rpsports
:coolugh: and a couple years ago people used to call us gay for going sideways downhill in the mountains, now the same people are tradding their civics in and the scca is opeing a drift event????:cry:

I still have YET to see you sideways down a mountain. Last I recall you totalled your integra and jumped on the S13 bandwagon as well...


Well anyway why does it matter if SCCA supports drifting. For me its just another outlet for me to get more track time from. I do NOT call myself a drifter. I do not have a drift car. All I am trying to do is learn to drive my car really well, and learn what kind of setups I like. ( nuetral, oversteer, understeer) Why do people get bothered by this so much, its just anohter oppurtunity for track time. Whenever I go to the track I usually run grip as much as I can and then when I get frustrated or something I drift a little. The more big names or companies or organizations support motorsports (of any kind) it usually equals cheaper track time and more of it. My .02

steve shadows
01-07-2004, 02:20 PM
i was doing PV east with the toyota cressida my friends corolla, then the integra and then the sr powered 240sx sideways yes. I have invited you to the mountain before you have turned me down several times.
back in the day PV downhill sideways sr, open diff, 15s ! fun!

i think the worry is that it will be just the opposite, the track time and prices will increase as the whole competiton is being born not as a grass roots effort to organize as club 4age has done in recent years but as a large now massive organization (similar to the nhra in drag racing) has sponsors to keep promises too. SCCA is still very open to amatuers as it has always been but the whole reason for this drift series seems to be rooted in commercialism ONLY not in simple attempt to shine light on the sport or amatuer track goers skills.

I don think they will be letting any ugly or even non-sponosred stock or amatuer cars into the 4 major competitons if this as commercial as it seems.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Hopefully well be able to get project s12 into the events because of its unique vibe. we shall see.

JasonNagra
01-07-2004, 02:31 PM
Well, if this all does go to shit and track time does get expensive I will just pull a Tnord, sell the S13 for a lot more than I bought it for and just biuld a spec miata and drive around town in something the likes of your cressida! I just find that with growing popularity of drifting there just has been a lot more track time (atleast for me, compared to 1.5 years ago) and its all good. Its just a fad Steve, you know it as well as I do. Im just here to learn on a well balanced FR car, and then when school is done you know what car I will have. :cool: :D

steve shadows
01-07-2004, 02:38 PM
lemme guess an e36. and on that note you bastard i have actually grown to like those cars recently ! damn you! they are actually pretty cool. Plus my brother has always been a bmw head and after he bought his new 745 and let me drive it comparing it to some other mercedes yeah its nice. and I got to drive an e34 recently that was entertaining.

alpha romeo milano now thats entertaining road car! how about that instead of a miata....

JasonNagra
01-07-2004, 03:01 PM
NO DEAL! Alfa parts are too much $$ and hard to find. E34? Which car?

AKADriver
01-08-2004, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by doriftokouki
The SCCA has restrictions up the @$$, if they start throwing different restrictions on what mods cars can have to compete in drift they will be stupid, the best part about drift is you can have WHATEVER mods you want on the car, if the scca gets their hands on it they might restrict threaded coilovers, body kits, and everyone will have to run 15x7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (dramatazation) You see where I am getting at though? Noone is going to run in SCCA if they put restrictions on what you can do to the car, its better to go to driftdays and showoffs or even driver search then to go to a drift event with restrictions on mods.

Racing has restictive classes to keep competition fair. ALL racing has rules like the SCCA's.

Drift events allow unlimited car modification because it doesn't really matter. This won't change no matter who puts their name on the event. I think it'll be good to see some safety equipment standardization, though.

These SCCA events are pro events ONLY, anyway. Unless you're a D1-level driver, don't expect to drive in them.

However, NASA has teamed up with US Drift to sanction plenty of amateur events across the country at major race tracks. These should be fun.

AKADriver
01-08-2004, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by JasonNagra
NO DEAL! Alfa parts are too much $$ and hard to find. E34? Which car?

E34 is an early '90s 5-series, like this:
http://www.kindel.com/bmw/album/M-Parallel%20Cropped.jpg

Early E36s are getting CHEAP :cool:

JasonNagra
01-08-2004, 07:35 PM
Thanks, I knew E34s were 5 seires, just wondering wether he drove a 525, 530, 540 or M5.

SpeedMonkeyInc
01-21-2004, 11:29 AM
http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/

Did any of you read the interview with the guy at the top of SCCA? Undoubtedly these guys have the $$$ in mind, but who doesn't? Drifting is big money in Japan, do you guys think it has suffered over there? I really like to go see the "pros". Last year D1 was absolute sickness, Driftshowoff was super fun. If there are more pro exhibitions for me to go see the better!

Like a few others have said, drifting is a fad, is will pass. The worst that can come from it is ricers. Dumbass kids showing up in their newly acquired 240s and rx7s and Miatas.....they will suck so bad they will get discouraged and and keep on posing on the street and internet forums.

The best that can come from this is just what a few others above have said that there will be more track time!

Steeles
01-21-2004, 04:27 PM
I liked how the SCCA guy described drifting. comparing it to X Games Motocross events. Taking the showy side of a established motorsport event and turning JUST that into an event. I thought that summed up the appeal of drifting to the proverbial "T"

StanBo
02-09-2004, 05:11 PM
There are still other grassroots series and events out there guys. SCCA and NASA are not the only ones getting busy.

Look at the AZ guys and what they accomplished last month.