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jspec240
03-30-2010, 05:27 PM
I know there has been discussion about this but hopefully this is bringing something else.

there are many methods to entering into a drift "Kickin it out" and I am wanting to get some feed back of which style in what situations are best suited use for tight turns, longer ones, keeping your angle, and of course initiating your drift.

Double clutching
Down shifting
Ebrake
Pitching the car ( swerving to one side then the other)
shifting gears while in a drift
braking technique

Please dont take me as a dumb ass.

Pretty much just want to get technical. I hear people say "your a better driver if you dont touch your ebrake. and viseversa. Im not saying Im the best but I do well with my style, however I see most pros do use it. I double clutch, down shift. and rarely use the ebrake. Been doin it on and off for 8 yrs but still want to improve so would like some feedback.


I want to open this up to beginners as well as experienced as well as get incite to maneuvers that will improve driving skills such as angle of attack,and transfers..etc. I know practice makes perfect but even then there are tricks to the trade of perfection which Im trying out. because you can always improve.

so if you got some info, want others to critique your style, or need to be critiqued yourself. Please post up some info.

Thanks to all

Drew

lflkajfj12123
03-30-2010, 05:38 PM
to me it really depends on the car setup and driver preference

no using your e-brake does not mean you're a bad driver

ILoveMyRHS13
03-30-2010, 06:01 PM
Granny shifting, not double clutchin' like you should!

DJPimpFlex
03-30-2010, 06:05 PM
Honestly not a bad thread. I definitely rely on my ebrake more than I should, but it makes entrances more consistent. I just carry to much speed and hold the ebrake for 3 or 4 days to slow down to the correct entrance speed. I don't clutch kick as much as I could/should and I think my driving would benefit from more controlled clutch modulation. I need a better clutch before that though.

shiftdrift
03-30-2010, 06:16 PM
my e-brake isn't even hooked up, when i first started drifting i relied on my e-brake way too much, almost every entry, but my second s13 i got i decided i didn't want to e-brake. all i do now is clutch kick and feint, sometimes if i'm just messing around i power into it (with what power the sohc has)

DJPimpFlex
03-30-2010, 07:11 PM
my e-brake isn't even hooked up, when i first started drifting i relied on my e-brake way too much, almost every entry, but my second s13 i got i decided i didn't want to e-brake. all i do now is clutch kick and feint, sometimes if i'm just messing around i power into it (with what power the sohc has)

I find that doing those big top of 3rd entrys the ebrake is a good way to stay consistent.

Xbroke_kidX
03-30-2010, 07:29 PM
Wide open, flick, Counter, More wide open. E brake to extend. Clutch kicks when needed. Brake to transfer.

jspec240
03-30-2010, 07:47 PM
to me it really depends on the car setup and driver preference

no using your e-brake does not mean you're a bad driver

Well of course car set up is very important but Im tryn to dig deep in to driver preferences and or necessities to get that bitch kicked out.... weather you have a D1 car or lowering springs, and a welded diff meaning there are some manuvers that require some trickery and thats what Im lookin for...

I know that using the ebrake doesnt mean your a bad drifter Im trying to see what alternatives others use more often.

Wide open, flick, Counter, More wide open. E brake to extend. Clutch kicks when needed. Brake to transfer.

Straight to the point!! love it.. lol . I have never used my brake to transfer. one reason is JR gittin and I went for a session and he didnt either. also were you talking about the ebrake to transfer or pedal?

Good description tho...

keistyle
03-30-2010, 07:58 PM
Usually a small feint with a clutch kick does the trick.

Karl Wasabi taught me the double-clutch kick, which is highly effective.

In the rain, i like to clutch kick and ebrake for some serious fun.

Turn out, turn in, clutch kick, ebrake, back on gas when i see fit, and go from there. Usually i start drifting rather early and I always end up with loads of angle.

Straight line e-brake is fun too!

Xbroke_kidX
03-30-2010, 08:07 PM
Well of course car set up is very important but Im tryn to dig deep in to driver preferences and or necessities to get that bitch kicked out.... weather you have a D1 car or lowering springs, and a welded diff meaning there are some manuvers that require some trickery and thats what Im lookin for...

I know that using the ebrake doesnt mean your a bad drifter Im trying to see what alternatives others use more often.



Straight to the point!! love it.. lol . I have never used my brake to transfer. one reason is JR gittin and I went for a session and he didnt either. also were you talking about the ebrake to transfer or pedal?

Good description tho...

Foot brake to transfer. Idk just always done it. Let off the gas tap brake smash back on gas. Never used E brake for anything except extending. Dont really like e brake initiations. Either flick or clutch kicks.

PoorMans180SX
03-30-2010, 08:12 PM
I really need to practice my Scandinavian flick more.

I love the high speed flick, a long slide into a sharper corner (holding with the E) looks so cool.

Also, the e-brake is good for adjusting angle. Sometimes when you clutch kick in, you can set the car, but you want more angle. A quick pull of the E gives you the angle. That way you can adjust for different curves and speeds better.

I also dig 4-wheel high speed lock ups. Tanner Foust was one of my favorites for these. Come in super hot, weight transfer to get the car sideways, then holding the e-brake and the pedal to lock up all 4 at the same time.

So cool.

ericcastro
03-30-2010, 08:25 PM
Well of course car set up is very important but Im tryn to dig deep in to driver preferences and or necessities to get that bitch kicked out.... weather you have a D1 car or lowering springs, and a welded diff meaning there are some manuvers that require some trickery and thats what Im lookin for... .

Soap is right though.
the car setup is everything.

At balcony, at WSIR
way to many variables

Sohc springs shocks vlsd
2nd gear, feint, give it a hell of a clutch kick and stand on it for a bit. it slowly comes out as it locks, and then slight lift to "set"
Or a long ebrake to make sure it stays sideways long enough for the vlsd to lock.

My SOHC with springs and shocks and welded,
3rd gear, big fient and ebrake
(big feint because the springs really body roll and I use that, ebrake because i want to be in drift right away and dont have time to hope that SOHC can power over with a feint in a 3rd gear entry.)

SOHC full suspention and welded.
I can go in the same way with a feint so small that you cant notice, because my coils are so stiff the body roll happens really fast and you dont want to miss it.
Or i can downshift to 2nd and clutch lock it because i am in 2nd at redline before passing the first clip anyways.

Or, I can go 2nd and get a good clutch kick if I am trying to keep up tandem with someone.
The welded makes up the for lack of HP when trying to lock up a 2way quik. The low HP can let you straighten out your 2 way pretty easily in shallow chase angle.
staying in second means i dont have to lift to shift before the transition.



Straight to the point!! love it.. lol . I have never used my brake to transfer. one reason is JR gittin and I went for a session and he didnt either. also were you talking about the ebrake to transfer or pedal?

transfer?
ebrake?
pedal?

fucking momentum dude.
The shit will swing you like a pendelum.
right before your car starts to catch and swing back,lift for a sec so the wheels catch, a quik steering in for more angle before letting it spin will flick you the other way, and back on the gas as it comes around.

now every diff reacts differently.
as well as springs or coils.
wheel size
width
tires size
width
stretch or not
camber
type of car.

and i am sure JR uses the ebrake in closing the gap situations.
everyone does.
he may also be a big front braker.
but ebrake has its advantages.
JR also drives a car that has power to start drifting in any gear on a tranny that is far from stock.
most of us need the ebrake with our low HP.

and you can be alot mroe precise on your clipping points with the ebrake.
when you initiate with the ebrake,
you are going directly into a drift
when you clutch kick, it may take a second and you may pass the clip wide or not initiate at all.

dont feint to hard, you might drift the wrong way, like that video of that dude drifting into the people last year.
in compititon drifting, the judges also dont want to see feints.

the ebrake will also take your momentum and make it go sideways instead of forwards.
I have tapped many cones and curbs with my front bumper by ebraking past them.
without the ebrake, i would have driven my front tires right over them.
i also use ti to get up along the side of cars in tandem or to throw my angle wide and drift past the back of cars that spin out in front of me.



this is just off the top of my head, and trying not to let this thread be a total joke.

you need to go to the track and actually drift with some people and ask for help from people that are kicking ass in Low HP cars.
because low HP car drivers end up getting really good at making the most of their drifts and their abilities.

ericcastro
03-30-2010, 08:31 PM
Foot brake to transfer. Idk just always done it. Let off the gas tap brake smash back on gas. Never used E brake for anything except extending. Dont really like e brake initiations. Either flick or clutch kicks.

I dont understand how that works?
Seems like what your saying you do would have the opposite effect on the car.

When i front brake in a corner, it helps to extend the drift at the existing angle and will also give you more angle.
It doesnt bring my car around.

locking up your leading tires will let the rear rotate around which ever side it is sticking out.
so it wouldn't get the rear to hook up and bring it around.

Am i missing something?

When Tommy locked his fronts up at irwindale, he kept the same angle all the way into the wall, it didnt bring his rear aroudn the other way and save his car........

confused.

PoorMans180SX
03-30-2010, 08:32 PM
in competiton drifting, the judges also dont want to see feints.




I think this is sad.

ericcastro
03-30-2010, 08:40 PM
I think this is sad.
i like it.
I dont think we need to see cars swearving from side to side all rediculous.

they still do them, its just more of a really fast steering wheel jerk.
Their suspension is so stiff you can barely see it anyways.

shiftdrift
03-30-2010, 08:42 PM
yeah, i haven't done too many 3rd gear entries but the sohc can't really do it by feinting, it looses power really quick. i'm replacing my clutch soon and i'm probably going to hook my e-brake up and try some 3rd gear e-brake entries. but once i do my ca swap thsi winter, i'll go back to clutch or feint.

Flybert
03-30-2010, 08:47 PM
This thread should be track and turn specific. In general, you want to avoid ebrake initiations but I use it at certain tracks.

Buttonwillow Onramp 100mph 4th gear entry I used ebrake but I'll probably try a clutch kick if ever get to try it again.

HTM First judged turn 3rd gear clutch kick to ebrake extension or just straight ebrake initiation, big angle, hang it to the edge and let the car set

Balcony 3rd gear clutch kick and stay on throttle until the transition, shallow and fast

Streets of Willow Turn 1 - 4th gear 100mph entry, straight feint while open throttle but I pussed out, didn't stay on the throttle long enough, and didn't make it with the ebrake extension. I'll pull the aero off this summer when I get to try it again.

WSIR Oval - 3rd gear clutch kick to ebrake extension or 3rd gear ebrake to the edge and let the car set or 3rd gear clutch kick, off throttle and wait until the car sets

I have always relied too much on using the ebrake to get my car where I want it. It's much safer but it is slower and will hurt you in competition. I often use it on transition to set the car but it's not always best because it doesn't look as smooth. I'm fine with using it however because I like my car and don't like crashing. My car has always stayed in one piece so it's a tradeoff. I've won a few competitions and placed well at multiple tracks using all these techniques so it's not like your doomed if you use the ebrake. Just use it sparingly. There are some places where it's OK to use it like for instance FD Sonoma. Most FD drivers use it to initiate there but I believe Ueo didn't and his entry looked pretty gangster from what I remember, however he did fly kind of wide.

And lastly, avoid it as best you can when leading in tandem.

Xbroke_kidX
03-30-2010, 08:48 PM
Maybe my car was set up super funny but if i let off the gas and my angle would start to shallow and I just stabbed the brake it would rotate the other way. Can be bad also because its easy to understeer like tommy did too.

lflkajfj12123
03-30-2010, 08:50 PM
castro TLDR

keep it simple man

also D1 drivers use the e-brake all the time

ericcastro
03-30-2010, 08:54 PM
Maybe my car was set up super funny but if i let off the gas and my angle would start to shallow and I just stabbed the brake it would rotate the other way. Can be bad also because its easy to understeer like tommy did too.

You said foot brake to transfer above.
i took that as your brakeing to transition.
Not braking once your momentum in a transition is happening.
if its a manji, just clutch kick that transition once your momentum is going the correct way.
just remember to grab your wheel and turn in a little faster to make sure to catch teh car so you dont spin.


Flybert, how much HP do you have, lol.

Im talking for us low HP guys and your talking about some next level shit, lol.

Xbroke_kidX
03-30-2010, 08:55 PM
Sir Flyberts advice should be taken to heart. Man knows how to drive.
Super agree on setup and track changing how you drive.

Edit:
Never during Manji's. There lame. Mostly during figure 8's or just transitioning.

But what do I know. Im no expert, nor do I drive on tracks.

VIPDRFT
03-30-2010, 08:57 PM
High speed straight - Early initiation with handbrake.

Transfer - Clutch kick.

Slow down then transfer - Handbrake.

Low speed straight - Clutch Kick. Maybe a slight feint beforehand.

Slow down coming off a sweeper - Handbrake or Left Foot brake.

Just my .02

shiftdrift
03-30-2010, 08:58 PM
yeah...i am drifting with like 100whp single slammer lol. i need monies for swap.

foreverdark
03-30-2010, 09:06 PM
There are many varibles depending on your car and track.

If you clutch kick you can shoot the car out while gaining some speed. Depending on entry speed and bigger drifts this works great. On slower smaller tracks not always that great if you have too much speed it can shoot you off track if you don't know what you're doing. Remember this technique is hard on your transmission.

When you ebrake you can slow down and turn in to how much angle you are aiming to get. I prefer to ebrake on right turn initiations and smaller tracks.

Combine the two with a ebrake entry, get your car where you want it then clutch kick to gain some speed or clutch kick in with lots of speed and use the ebrake to extend the drift.

Flybert
03-30-2010, 09:27 PM
Flybert, how much HP do you have, lol.

Im talking for us low HP guys and your talking about some next level shit, lol.

I have 300whp with a s13sr t28. With stock KA power at a track like Balcony, I always shorted second and shifted to third shortly before initiation, clutch kicked, stay on throttle as long as I could (not very long), and dropped to second. I had an RPS 6 puck with my KA back in the day.

s13_jesse
03-30-2010, 10:57 PM
a quick feint/ hiting third gear without getting off the gas is always awesome.

Thats what i have to do in my truck when i slide in the rain. use 3rd gear torque to kick it out.
Of course you cant do it on every corner.

Example:

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Damn i want to drive Nikko.

Slip&Sliden 240
03-30-2010, 11:06 PM
It is real simple

Rip that E-brake, then Powa over

payne219
03-30-2010, 11:25 PM
Seriously watching this helped me a ton. 6 different techniques all badass
Best Motoring Drift Bible (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4771288173175372926#)

Flybert
03-30-2010, 11:28 PM
Drift Bible is archaic.

payne219
03-31-2010, 12:01 AM
so what... its the fundamentals.

ericcastro
03-31-2010, 12:07 AM
Never during Manji's. There lame.
What??
Manji's are awesome.
They are alot of fun when you are gaining speed and drifting back and forth down a skinny length of cement.
Plus they are the next step in training after figure 8's.
they will really help you with trasitioning.
but they usually come after you have learned to transition, lol.


Transfer -

Slow down then transfer -

Im old.

Whats a transfer?
Like when your skateboarding, and you go from one ramp to another?
transfer.

I call it transition, when the car changes its positioning in a drift.
am i off?

Drift Bible is archaic.
agreed, lol

here.
Run from HTM a long time ago.
looks like i get traction, but pretty sure i was able to get on the ebrake fast enough to keep it out.
SOHC, welded, springs n shocks.

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foreverdark
03-31-2010, 12:54 AM
hahaha great video Castro. Now where's the Eric Castro Approve stamp at the end of it?

jspec240
03-31-2010, 02:41 AM
Soap is right though.
the car setup is everything.

At balcony, at WSIR
way to many variables

Sohc springs shocks vlsd
2nd gear, feint, give it a hell of a clutch kick and stand on it for a bit. it slowly comes out as it locks, and then slight lift to "set"
Or a long ebrake to make sure it stays sideways long enough for the vlsd to lock.

My SOHC with springs and shocks and welded,
3rd gear, big fient and ebrake
(big feint because the springs really body roll and I use that, ebrake because i want to be in drift right away and dont have time to hope that SOHC can power over with a feint in a 3rd gear entry.)

SOHC full suspention and welded.
I can go in the same way with a feint so small that you cant notice, because my coils are so stiff the body roll happens really fast and you dont want to miss it.
Or i can downshift to 2nd and clutch lock it because i am in 2nd at redline before passing the first clip anyways.

Or, I can go 2nd and get a good clutch kick if I am trying to keep up tandem with someone.
The welded makes up the for lack of HP when trying to lock up a 2way quik. The low HP can let you straighten out your 2 way pretty easily in shallow chase angle.
staying in second means i dont have to lift to shift before the transition.



transfer?
ebrake?
pedal?

fucking momentum dude.
The shit will swing you like a pendelum.
right before your car starts to catch and swing back,lift for a sec so the wheels catch, a quik steering in for more angle before letting it spin will flick you the other way, and back on the gas as it comes around.

now every diff reacts differently.
as well as springs or coils.
wheel size
width
tires size
width
stretch or not
camber
type of car.

and i am sure JR uses the ebrake in closing the gap situations.
everyone does.
he may also be a big front braker.
but ebrake has its advantages.
JR also drives a car that has power to start drifting in any gear on a tranny that is far from stock.
most of us need the ebrake with our low HP.

and you can be alot mroe precise on your clipping points with the ebrake.
when you initiate with the ebrake,
you are going directly into a drift
when you clutch kick, it may take a second and you may pass the clip wide or not initiate at all.

dont feint to hard, you might drift the wrong way, like that video of that dude drifting into the people last year.
in compititon drifting, the judges also dont want to see feints.

the ebrake will also take your momentum and make it go sideways instead of forwards.
I have tapped many cones and curbs with my front bumper by ebraking past them.
without the ebrake, i would have driven my front tires right over them.
i also use ti to get up along the side of cars in tandem or to throw my angle wide and drift past the back of cars that spin out in front of me.



this is just off the top of my head, and trying not to let this thread be a total joke.

you need to go to the track and actually drift with some people and ask for help from people that are kicking ass in Low HP cars.
because low HP car drivers end up getting really good at making the most of their drifts and their abilities.

Whoa ... lol any way I was saying straight to the point as in he put his technique out there. I do pretty good w/o but Ive been limited to 3 tracks and

I do go to the track and I have a high & Low Hp car. I auctually drift more w/ my bone n/a sohc. What I need to do is work on my high speed drifts. .

I do take it back tho JR did use the ebrake on a 180 turn but besides that he was just using momentum to transfer.

I hardly ever use the ebrake and eventhough I dont practice high speed drifts as much I still do and all you have to do is have the right speed, angle and have good throttle controll for a car that has decent power. I also see where you are comming from on closing the gap and stretching the drift I guess Im just a little harder on the eng... haha I do pretty good w/o but Ive been limited to 3 tracks and just like you said I need to practice

I know its allot about the car set up and I hope this will provide input into peoples builds cause the better the set up the the more accuraccy obtained.

Thanks for the input eric hopefully ill see you at willowsprings one day. Im moving my events there so I will be able to practice.

Very informative video too

NoPistons!
03-31-2010, 03:21 AM
I also dig 4-wheel high speed lock ups. Tanner Foust was one of my favorites for these. Come in super hot, weight transfer to get the car sideways, then holding the e-brake and the pedal to lock up all 4 at the same time.

So cool.


Sounds like a pretty difficult but awesome technique.

Usually a small feint with a clutch kick does the trick.



That's how i roll. Atleast until i hook my bmr handbrake up. I'm hoping after i put my rebuilt calipers on that my standard handbrake actually works again. Would love to have both to practice stuff with.

Feint is hands down my favorite thing to do. I blame Mitsuru Hariguchi. Dude was awesome when he had his fc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsQGUsoPPgU
@ 00:38

jspec240
03-31-2010, 03:24 AM
^^ yea man holland drift was sick.

Im about to install a hydro ebrake now man fuk the dumb shiz...

Flybert
03-31-2010, 03:53 AM
BTW, z32 ebrake is the jam. I had no problem locking them up at 100mph at buttonwillow for the Hellaflush event. I like it better than hydro.

jspec240
03-31-2010, 04:33 AM
I was out there.. which car did you have there? I have never used a hydro my buddy was the one with the gloria

Flybert
03-31-2010, 05:01 AM
This is me. I was doing 4th gear entries after the competition was done. Early in the day we were doing 3rd gear stuff to practice for the team comp.

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-54.jpg

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-14.jpg

ericcastro
03-31-2010, 10:20 AM
I also see where you are comming from on closing the gap and stretching the drift I guess Im just a little harder on the eng...

Not to offend you, but if your talking stock KA.
You are not harder on the engine then me, lol.:love:

And technically, if you were harder on the engine, you would be getting even more out of it and prolly want to use the ebrake to keep a drift after a long shallow transition.

I actually ebrake more in my SOHC.

Its because i dont have the power to maintain really long drifts or get the car to step back out when its trying to catch.
Or
Because i lack the power to actually propel myself away from a wall, so as i come in sideways, i need to slow it down so as i am coming around a wall, i dont get in deeper than a little tap.

yeah, come to the track.

Here is a run i did at Balconey years ago.
3rd gear entry with ebrake, shift into 2nd during the transition.
Since i lift to transition, it makes it easy to put the clutch in during that time and shift really fast.
you can see where i am clutch kicking because the car steps out pretty hard.

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fckillerbee
03-31-2010, 10:56 AM
Not to offend you, but if your talking stock KA.
You are not harder on the engine then me, lol.:love:

And technically, if you were harder on the engine, you would be getting even more out of it and prolly want to use the ebrake to keep a drift after a long shallow transition.

I actually ebrake more in my SOHC.

Its because i dont have the power to maintain really long drifts or get the car to step back out when its trying to catch.
Or
Because i lack the power to actually propel myself away from a wall, so as i come in sideways, i need to slow it down so as i am coming around a wall, i dont get in deeper than a little tap.

yeah, come to the track.

Here is a run i did at Balconey years ago.
3rd gear entry with ebrake, shift into 2nd during the transition.
Since i lift to transition, it makes it easy to put the clutch in during that time and shift really fast.
you can see where i am clutch kicking because the car steps out pretty hard.

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I saw my car! lol.


Come to 626 event...i teach you secret.

lol....there is sooooooooooooooooooo much different situations involved. Get Forza 3. Learn how to drift differently in the game, it'll help you for real life.

I'm really big on clutch kicking. Balcony, 3rd gear initiation, clutch kit, don't lift till transition, quickly counter, and never lift....any other track is about the same. I only use e-brake for mistakes. I don't have enough power to e-brake initiate....its not worth it.

here is a video compliments of castro.

at 1:10, you can see the "quick" flick of the steering wheel to get the weight to transfer. (stock ka on 18's for the record...anyone can drift)

at 1:38, you can see it at a different angle, doesn't look like a big flick, but it's enough to get the car to slide out, and I used to brake during transition to stable the car, but with time...i don't need to anymore.

vimeo: (http://vimeo.com/10278958) 626 march madness

and I have driven almost every different type of car and setup, so I have a wide learning range of cars for balcony specific, but I'm sure with certain setups, they will be just as good on other tracks.

and I've had no problem drifting a completely stock SOHC. (i once had someone tell me it couldn't be done in his car)

ILoveMyRHS13
03-31-2010, 01:21 PM
Eric Castro, I need to drive down to Cali and get some driving lessons from you, the master of the SOHC. :)

!Zar!
03-31-2010, 01:22 PM
I was out there.. which car did you have there? I have never used a hydro my buddy was the one with the gloria

You were out there? I saw the Gloria, but not you.

As for techniques, I tend to weight transfer and clutch kick.

But of course it really depends on the track. On the buttonwillow offramp I would hug the inside at the top of third, flick it to the outside and clutch kick as I turned back in. I would use the ebrake and adjust angle if I felt I needed more, then towards the end if I slowed down too much I would shift down to second.

I tend to feel it out on a turn by turn basis. But primarily I like to clutch kick.

GT Motion
03-31-2010, 02:28 PM
To the OP. IMO Its only weak to use the ebrake when its not nessecary.

For initiating, I almost never use ebrake, some turns that are akward though, like a turn that starts out slow & tight, then becomes wider and faster towards the exit its sometimes more accurate to use the ebrake to initiate then drop the clutch at apex and use your power on the exit line, especially if you don't have a lot of room on entry. Like when rally drivers enter hairpins they kickit out with the handbrake and punch it at apex to save the exit.

Normally though clutch kick is the way to go, it looks great and keeps a lot of speed. During transition it will come naturally when to let off and whip the car around, you would only use the handbrake if you messed up your angle or are coming in really fast to a tight turn and want to hug the apex with the nose going around it. You should also try left foot braking.

Tops*
03-31-2010, 02:45 PM
Haruguchi's rally-quick is IMO the fucking baddest flick out there.

I enjoy it raw, loud, and intense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGOaG_doQw

jspec240
03-31-2010, 02:53 PM
This is me. I was doing 4th gear entries after the competition was done. Early in the day we were doing 3rd gear stuff to practice for the team comp.

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-54.jpg

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-14.jpg

Ahhh ok.. who won any way?? kinda sucked cause the only real visible action was at the left loop.. pretty big for buttonwillow. Ill hit you up nextime theres an event there if you are there

Not to offend you, but if your talking stock KA.
You are not harder on the engine then me, lol.:love:

And technically, if you were harder on the engine, you would be getting even more out of it and prolly want to use the ebrake to keep a drift after a long shallow transition.

I actually ebrake more in my SOHC.

Its because i dont have the power to maintain really long drifts or get the car to step back out when its trying to catch.
Or
Because i lack the power to actually propel myself away from a wall, so as i come in sideways, i need to slow it down so as i am coming around a wall, i dont get in deeper than a little tap.

yeah, come to the track.

Here is a run i did at Balconey years ago.
3rd gear entry with ebrake, shift into 2nd during the transition.
Since i lift to transition, it makes it easy to put the clutch in during that time and shift really fast.
you can see where i am clutch kicking because the car steps out pretty hard.

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it was kinda a stupid point to begin with because they all have limits but due to budget buttonwillow skid pad is where we go. like 2nd gear tops lol
I have hit some big drifts w/o the ebrake but not out there. it was out at Etown club loose... been a while. I will be transfering to willowsprings cause I need to train on the bigger turns. and I hear springs has a membership where its real cheap now :) so see you there and we can put description into actuality...



I saw my car! lol.


Come to 626 event...i teach you secret.

lol....there is sooooooooooooooooooo much different situations involved. Get Forza 3. Learn how to drift differently in the game, it'll help you for real life.

I'm really big on clutch kicking. Balcony, 3rd gear initiation, clutch kit, don't lift till transition, quickly counter, and never lift....any other track is about the same. I only use e-brake for mistakes. I don't have enough power to e-brake initiate....its not worth it.

here is a video compliments of castro.

at 1:10, you can see the "quick" flick of the steering wheel to get the weight to transfer. (stock ka on 18's for the record...anyone can drift)

at 1:38, you can see it at a different angle, doesn't look like a big flick, but it's enough to get the car to slide out, and I used to brake during transition to stable the car, but with time...i don't need to anymore.

March Madness on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/10278958)

and I have driven almost every different type of car and setup, so I have a wide learning range of cars for balcony specific, but I'm sure with certain setups, they will be just as good on other tracks.

and I've had no problem drifting a completely stock SOHC. (i once had someone tell me it couldn't be done in his car)

I cant wait to get out there. next chance I have I will. Is Gabes14 (screen name) out there often?

thanks fellas

fckillerbee
03-31-2010, 03:05 PM
Ahhh ok.. who won any way?? kinda sucked cause the only real visible action was at the left loop.. pretty big for buttonwillow. Ill hit you up nextime theres an event there if you are there



it was kinda a stupid point to begin with because they all have limits but due to budget buttonwillow skid pad is where we go. like 2nd gear tops lol
I have hit some big drifts w/o the ebrake but not out there. it was out at Etown club loose... been a while. I will be transfering to willowsprings cause I need to train on the bigger turns. and I hear springs has a membership where its real cheap now :) so see you there and we can put description into actuality...







I cant wait to get out there. next chance I have I will. Is Gabes14 (screen name) out there often?

thanks fellas

I don't know names very well...how about what car does he drive? I'm guess s14, but color, specs.

jspec240
03-31-2010, 04:33 PM
heres the link to his profile


http://zilvia.net/f/members/gabes14.html

Flybert
03-31-2010, 04:57 PM
Ahhh ok.. who won any way?? kinda sucked cause the only real visible action was at the left loop.. pretty big for buttonwillow. Ill hit you up nextime theres an event there if you are there

We ended up winning the comp. Why don't you drive the track? The skid pad can only teach you so much.

turns101
03-31-2010, 05:27 PM
All of these techniques are very simple in a Miata. You guys should try it out some time..

drftwerks
03-31-2010, 11:13 PM
http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports-skilled-driving/313453-suckafoosickness-drift-event-june-4-butttonwillow-west-loop.html

june 4 buttonwillow track day. come on out. practice these techniques.

jspec240
04-01-2010, 12:15 AM
We ended up winning the comp. Why don't you drive the track? The skid pad can only teach you so much.

I know. its not the only spot.... lol but its a place to do it legal. Main track is like 2g's to rent and need insurance. Ive only had 5 events.

Im workin up my way up :) I hung out with the best...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/beezon/da.jpg


my pad after Etown formula D in 06 when I lived in jersey/// Damn I miss those days but keeps me motivated.

jspec240
04-01-2010, 12:22 AM
http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports-skilled-driving/313453-suckafoosickness-drift-event-june-4-butttonwillow-west-loop.html

june 4 buttonwillow track day. come on out. practice these techniqudes.

I will be there :) Im also tryn to get Bakersfield motivated in the drift scene. Now that I have had a few Im moving my next one to willow springs to change it up. Im still in the process of gettin my s14 together again and Damn times are hard and Im tryn to hussle.

All of the events i put on I have made 0$ because I just want people gain the passion that I do for the sport and realize that its not that easy.

see you there tho

drftwerks
04-01-2010, 12:49 AM
awesome, glad to hear.

karl wasabi
04-01-2010, 12:59 AM
This thread has a lot more information than I thought there would be. haha. Good stuff. Now only if I could read it...

jspec240
04-01-2010, 05:25 AM
^^ yea it surprised me aswell... this is the beginning of Eric Castros Learn how to drift the "Right" way.. cause Drifting for dummies just wouldnt cut it... and chicken soup for the drifters soul would just be :ghey:


HOLLYWOOD!!

I do like the option vids with the shots of the pedal action.. haha

fckillerbee
04-01-2010, 10:35 AM
All of these techniques are very simple in a Miata. You guys should try it out some time..

I want to drive a little sparkly car! lol

flipnoi
04-01-2010, 10:44 AM
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks

ILoveMyRHS13
04-01-2010, 11:04 AM
The point of track events is to learn, dude. Go out and have fun. Who cares what other people think of your driving. Fun is what it's all about. :)

chiboy002
04-01-2010, 11:24 AM
Foot brake to transfer. Idk just always done it. Let off the gas tap brake smash back on gas. Never used E brake for anything except extending. Dont really like e brake initiations. Either flick or clutch kicks.

thats what Katsuhiro Ueo does. check the vid out

this should give you a nice idea of what to do in drift/into

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHP1crXeaFY&feature=player_embedded

fckillerbee
04-01-2010, 12:05 PM
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks


you are a perfect candidate to come to a 626 drift event. We have plenty instructors on site, and eric castro and myself are one of the instructors there. We have a lot of seat time, and would love to get you behind a wheel.

Most people are shy, but we aren't, come out to a meet, meet some of the guys, we are all really friendly people.

http://626drift.com/

ericcastro
04-01-2010, 12:47 PM
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks

yeah, come to the 626 event, or any other event that offers "instructors" and has a beginer group.

We have guys out there that cant even get a donut down.
and that can be you too, lol
it was all of us at one time.
It was me for a couple events ;)

The thing with the track is,

ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN ANYWHERE!!
Everyone at the track is cool.
Everyone is stoked you are there.
Everyone has a smile on their face
Everyone helps out each other.

Its a completely different scene then this forum, or Adams track show, or "street drifters".

Most guys that track, dont post much as its a waste of time to argue with someone that doesnt even drive.
You get lucky and have guys like turns101 and flybert chime in once in awhile, like in this thread.
But the general attitute people have here is not that of people that participate in motorsports on the track.

Forum people are like football fans.
All talk, but dont play any organized division/actually track their cars.
They think cause they played in HS/drifted a couple events 4 years ago, they have room to talk.
They play a game of touch football with some friends/street drift a corner, once in awhile, they still know how to do it.

No one at the track talks ANY shit.
We are all just happy to be in like peoples company.
Come to the track and join the family of people that actually drive their cars and support and are involved in motorsports.

When your at the track, being part of something, and you look down and see cars running big willow or streets, you really feel part of something great with alot of history.
Everyone is there for motorsports, no matter what kind,or level, we all share a passion.
There are no tools or noobs at the track.
We are all enthusiest.


Wether it is drift day, just drift, 626, or anyone else that is established and willing to teach.
Just get out their and join the community.

fckillerbee
04-01-2010, 01:44 PM
yeah, come to the 626 event, or any other event that offers "instructors" and has a beginer group.

We have guys out there that cant even get a donut down.
and that can be you too, lol
it was all of us at one time.
It was me for a couple events ;)

The thing with the track is,

ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN ANYWHERE!!
Everyone at the track is cool.
Everyone is stoked you are there.
Everyone has a smile on their face
Everyone helps out each other.

Its a completely different scene then this forum, or Adams track show, or "street drifters".

Most guys that track, dont post much as its a waste of time to argue with someone that doesnt even drive.
You get lucky and have guys like turns101 and flybert chime in once in awhile, like in this thread.
But the general attitute people have here is not that of people that participate in motorsports on the track.

Forum people are like football fans.
All talk, but dont play any organized division/actually track their cars.
They think cause they played in HS/drifted a couple events 4 years ago, they have room to talk.
They play a game of touch football with some friends/street drift a corner, once in awhile, they still know how to do it.

No one at the track talks ANY shit.
We are all just happy to be in like peoples company.
Come to the track and join the family of people that actually drive their cars and support and are involved in motorsports.

When your at the track, being part of something, and you look down and see cars running big willow or streets, you really feel part of something great with alot of history.
Everyone is there for motorsports, no matter what kind,or level, we all share a passion.
There are no tools or noobs at the track.
We are all enthusiest.


Wether it is drift day, just drift, 626, or anyone else that is established and willing to teach.
Just get out their and join the community.

devin is excluded from this bold text. after last event...he is official all time noob.

jspec240
04-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Well i will be out there for sure... the no talkin shit thing and cool people is true.. and its another reason I love the sport. Ive met so many cool people in this sport I cant count. Get out there and do your best with what you got then start working on what you need to practice on to enhance your technique.

fckillerbee
04-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Well i will be out there for sure... the no talkin shit thing and cool people is true.. and its another reason I love the sport. Ive met so many cool people in this sport I cant count. Get out there and do your best with what you got then start working on what you need to practice on to get some enhance your technique.

oh no....you WILL be drifting by the end of the day...working on your technique! lol

lflkajfj12123
04-01-2010, 06:04 PM
ONhXY7wXQU0

mmmm transition

fckillerbee
04-01-2010, 06:07 PM
ONhXY7wXQU0

mmmm transition

that was dope.

DALAZ_68
04-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks

the whole point of going to the track is to learn...dont be skerd...
hell im only 2 events in...and im still a noob, cant even initiate consistantly or donut (yeah im the noob castro was pointing out, thanks babe) and know jack shit...

my first event was horrid...second event not as bad...next couple of events i should be ok...it fucking takes time...

im just limited...my tree trunk of my leg covers my ebrake, so i cant use it...might just invest in a hydro...lol, but like Castro would say, dont be a tard, practice the basics (I.E. donuts figure 8's) and then worry about fine tuning little shit after...

DJPimpFlex
04-01-2010, 06:33 PM
Yea I love the track so much. Hella cool people and everyone's down to help or learn and just bs.

turns101
04-01-2010, 11:02 PM
I want to drive a little sparkly car! lol
Not sparkly anymore
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/10March/UTI/tech1.jpg

Eric C always rocks out the info..

jspec240
04-01-2010, 11:29 PM
oh no....you WILL be drifting by the end of the day...working on your technique! lol

lol I know I will, I have held a couple of my own events. Im not an amature but Im not a pro either I was referring to the flipnol when said he was new and wanted to learn more....

ericcastro
04-01-2010, 11:45 PM
Not sparkly anymore
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Mike%20Garrett/10March/UTI/tech1.jpg

Eric C always rocks out the info..

saw that earlier.
I like the new color.
your car will get noticed alot more and look great in pics i think.

diggin the rest of the work on it too.

thanks,
i try to make up for my entertaining post, rants and "scene" cleansing by putting in some effort on a few threads a month, lol.
figure its my premie duty.
And i got plenty to share in the non turbo, low HP area.

You got a turbo, i cant help to much.
I got bad form with high HP, on and off the gas like a bass drum peddle, lol.

jspec240
04-01-2010, 11:52 PM
Sick miata^^ I had a miata fly by me in Osaka. I saw him pulled over and he had 13btt putting out 450ps, I love rotarys and the way they sound but they dont last too long unless you pay mucho doe.


Ive really been lookin at miatas latley and am in the process of gettin one for my wife..



Im goin for a look similar to this and installing an sr20de.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/beezon/miata.jpg

they have awesome handling to begin with and dont need much HP :_)

turns101
04-01-2010, 11:52 PM
Hey man, I didnt forget where I came from.. I remember low HP. Trust me. I had to change my pedal modulation and timing alot..

You keep it real bro, and I like it..

I am glad you like the car. You going to long beach??

turns101
04-01-2010, 11:56 PM
Jspec
The Miata is great. I wouldnt say great for drift, but great beside that.
The one in the pic will be a nightmare on the street and ride like shit. The bumpsteer will chip your teeth. It will look dope though.. You will need to do a shit ton of work under those fenders to fit the bad ass wheels.

I will always have a miata in my life..

jspec240
04-02-2010, 12:04 AM
damn.... well I guess Ill be hittin you up when I get one for info.. lol...

Im goin to LB I also got an invite to the after party from JR so LMK if you guys would like to roll Ive had a couple partys for them so he hooks me up..

Drift N Dragg
04-02-2010, 07:43 AM
You got a turbo, i cant help to much.
I got bad form with high HP, on and off the gas like a bass drum peddle, lol.

Yeah, no kidding on the Turbo Non-Loveness.. Start calling you Clutch Eater .. :love: or Clutch :boink:, Master Turbo Exploder ... Haha even though it 'technically wasn't your fault, i still found it Hilarious!!

On that, I hope you make it out to the May events, would like to have you and fckillerbee in my corner for instruction to get me caught up to date, since its been like 5 years since i actually hit a track ..

jspec240
04-10-2010, 04:59 AM
another technique is having your right foot on the brake and gas at the same time... I know they use it during the turn but isnt throttle control enough. Im guessing that its used for correcting a mistake...

any info would be useful.

!Zar!
04-10-2010, 01:50 PM
I've never tried trail-braking mid drift. Only during circuit driving. If I'm braking during a drift, it is either brake, or gas. Haven't tried both yet.

YoungGun
04-11-2010, 03:58 AM
I like to start the drift with the clutch.

jspec240
04-12-2010, 02:20 PM
I really want to thank everyone for great input and keeping this thread on track with no sh!t talkin... Very valuable information and a special thanks to Eric!!

Slammed Assassin
04-14-2010, 03:18 AM
hey flipnoi don't be afraid or shy to come out to the track. I remember my first time at the track earlier this year, i was shooting bricks!. But when i got there all the pressure was off and i had a blast. I am also running a sohc KA. I started out with donuts/8's and by they end of the day they told me to try the full course on balcony. To this day i still don't have the course down, im having trouble with transitions and such. An important key is track time, so that you are able to learn your cars reactions and try out different techniques.

let me warn you, going to the track is addicting!! haha

1on1
04-14-2010, 11:02 PM
i've just read this whole thread and makes me want to go to these track events. i was mainly a grip driver and always wanted to learn how to drift. many of my friends go to track events and they are much more better than me. i feel the same way on what flipnoi said and makes me feel welcome if i ever go to a track event. i'll be probably be attending the suckafoosickness event since my brother and his friends are hosting that event.

im glad everyone in this thread made it comfortable for beginners to learn at the track, and hopefully you guys can give us noobs some pointers. i'll be reading this thread from now on.

BoostSlideWayz
04-14-2010, 11:35 PM
man i wish i could drift.. my cars been sitting for 2 whole years and the whole build was to be for drift but now it just sits -__- ill still read up on this stuff so if somday i can ill know what im doing. or.. well some what know.. i think no matter how much you study when you get in the car it kind of clears out your mind .

GT Motion
04-14-2010, 11:35 PM
another technique is having your right foot on the brake and gas at the same time... I know they use it during the turn but isnt throttle control enough. Im guessing that its used for correcting a mistake...

any info would be useful.

The technique you are probably thinking of is left foot braking. If you can learn how to left foot brake correctly, and master all the other techniques there will never be a turn you can't handle.

If you are sliding towards a tight turn, when you close in on the apex you can keep a decent amount of speed, and where you would normally start drifting out wide on the exit, you can use your left foot to work the brake pedal, and keep your right foot on the gas. This will slow the front wheels and you can maneuver the rear end around with the gas while having more control of the cars position than if you just were working the throttle.

!Zar!
04-15-2010, 12:13 AM
i've just read this whole thread and makes me want to go to these track events. i was mainly a grip driver and always wanted to learn how to drift. many of my friends go to track events and they are much more better than me. i feel the same way on what flipnoi said and makes me feel welcome if i ever go to a track event. i'll be probably be attending the suckafoosickness event since my brother and his friends are hosting that event.

im glad everyone in this thread made it comfortable for beginners to learn at the track, and hopefully you guys can give us noobs some pointers. i'll be reading this thread from now on.
Yeah, track is the shitttttttt. I'm always down to help out and inform/instruct at the track. Nobody hates at the track.
man i wish i could drift.. my cars been sitting for 2 whole years and the whole build was to be for drift but now it just sits -__- ill still read up on this stuff so if somday i can ill know what im doing. or.. well some what know.. i think no matter how much you study when you get in the car it kind of clears out your mind .
Why is your car not running? No point building a car that just sits. It's dumb. You don't need much to drift. Get it running and go out!
The technique you are probably thinking of is left foot braking. If you can learn how to left foot brake correctly, and master all the other techniques there will never be a turn you can't handle.

If you are sliding towards a tight turn, when you close in on the apex you can keep a decent amount of speed, and where you would normally start drifting out wide on the exit, you can use your left foot to work the brake pedal, and keep your right foot on the gas. This will slow the front wheels and you can maneuver the rear end around with the gas while having more control of the cars position than if you just were working the throttle.
I'll have to try this next time I'm out.

1on1
04-15-2010, 02:09 AM
mel once my car is ready, you're gonna give me pointers d:D

iSLYD
04-15-2010, 08:38 AM
hey guys i gotta rb20de with an hks intake filter and an exhaust in a four door 32 check my build thread, thing is i am gettin a det like next week but want some tips for my lower powered na car for kickin her out, all i seem to be able to do is rev in first and mabey rev match into second and she'll slide a bit.. any tips would be appreciated

cfrost
04-15-2010, 09:32 AM
hey guys i gotta rb20de with an hks intake filter and an exhaust in a four door 32 check my build thread, thing is i am gettin a det like next week but want some tips for my lower powered na car for kickin her out, all i seem to be able to do is rev in first and mabey rev match into second and she'll slide a bit.. any tips would be appreciated

Go as fast as you can before you do anything... that's probably the cardinal rule for lower powered cars. All within what you're safe doing, that is.

The best thing to keep in mind is that it's good to go online and see what everyone's doing, but you'll learn a lot more a lot faster at the track asking someone with more experience to ride along or to drive your car :bigok:

BoostSlideWayz
04-15-2010, 09:57 PM
Yeah, track is the shitttttttt. I'm always down to help out and inform/instruct at the track. Nobody hates at the track.

Why is your car not running? No point building a car that just sits. It's dumb. You don't need much to drift. Get it running and go out!

I'll have to try this next time I'm out.

well.. my motor is bad.. and i lost my job.. so the car is just not coming together as fast as i wish it could.. im not like every other guy on here that can afford all the parts in 2 months im not rich all i can do is sell things when i can and when i do then i can get a part or 2 but untill i somehow get another job the cars just not gonna run.

Flybert
04-15-2010, 11:17 PM
Go as fast as you can before you do anything... that's probably the cardinal rule for lower powered cars. All within what you're safe doing, that is.

The best thing to keep in mind is that it's good to go online and see what everyone's doing, but you'll learn a lot more a lot faster at the track asking someone with more experience to ride along or to drive your car :bigok:

I agree with Colin. An important part of learning is riding in cars with people who are better drivers than you. Letting instructors drive your car is also a good thing because you can mimic their techniques and you know it will work in your car because they just did it in your car.

Occasionally, instructors like myself sometimes have a difficult time drifting student's cars the first lap or two due to improper setup of the car. I can usually give people advice on how to better set up their cars for better consistency especially if it's s-chassis related. That is also another good reason to let an instructor drive your car.

I even drive other staff members cars to help them try and diagnose what's wrong with their setup. There is always room for improvement. I remember letting Ryan Tuerck drive my car before I rebuilt it from the bottom up when he came out to one of our ASB's and it gave me a better idea on how to setup my car when he gave me his feedback. I was still stuck in the lower is cooler trend and he noticed that my front tires were bottoming out under transition at Balcony but since I had grown so accustomed to it, it felt normal to me. I was supposed to drive his FD s13 coupe later on so that I could feel what a well setup s13 felt like but I never got around to it because him and I were so hung over and we both got a late start the next day at HTM. We had time for a nice tandem battle where my car got smoked because it didn't drift as fast and I finally realized the difference between a "cool" drift car and a well setup FD s13 is like.

adamer
04-16-2010, 02:26 AM
I agree with Colin. An important part of learning is riding in cars with people who are better drivers than you. Letting instructors drive your car is also a good thing because you can mimic their techniques and you know it will work in your car because they just did it in your car.

Occasionally, instructors like myself sometimes have a difficult time drifting student's cars the first lap or two due to improper setup of the car. I can usually give people advice on how to better set up their cars for better consistency especially if it's s-chassis related. That is also another good reason to let an instructor drive your car.

I even drive other staff members cars to help them try and diagnose what's wrong with their setup. There is always room for improvement. I remember letting Ryan Tuerck drive my car before I rebuilt it from the bottom up when he came out to one of our ASB's and it gave me a better idea on how to setup my car when he gave me his feedback. I was still stuck in the lower is cooler trend and he noticed that my front tires were bottoming out under transition at Balcony but since I had grown so accustomed to it, it felt normal to me. I was supposed to drive his FD s13 coupe later on so that I could feel what a well setup s13 felt like but I never got around to it because him and I were so hung over and we both got a late start the next day at HTM. We had time for a nice tandem battle where my car got smoked because it didn't drift as fast and I finally realized the difference between a "cool" drift car and a well setup FD s13 is like.

listen and learn.
having someone help you with your car setup/technique who knows what the hell they are doing is priceless.

jspec240
04-16-2010, 03:13 AM
well.. my motor is bad.. and i lost my job.. so the car is just not coming together as fast as i wish it could.. im not like every other guy on here that can afford all the parts in 2 months im not rich all i can do is sell things when i can and when i do then i can get a part or 2 but untill i somehow get another job the cars just not gonna run.

Im in your same position. Im using my GI bill to go to school so I only get 1k per month Im married with a 3yr old but I still manage. You got to hustle man. find out what parts sell cheap in the junk yards clean em up and resell. Ive been doin that for a couple years now and has helped tremendously. I was honorably discharged from the AF with an AS degree and a clean record almost three years ago and am still on the prowl. DONT GIVE UP MAN that feeling of sliding around a corner w/smoke flying beats any other fix out there too me any way:squintd: :)


I agree with Colin. An important part of learning is riding in cars with people who are better drivers than you. Letting instructors drive your car is also a good thing because you can mimic their techniques and you know it will work in your car because they just did it in your car.

Occasionally, instructors like myself sometimes have a difficult time drifting student's cars the first lap or two due to improper setup of the car. I can usually give people advice on how to better set up their cars for better consistency especially if it's s-chassis related. That is also another good reason to let an instructor drive your car.

I even drive other staff members cars to help them try and diagnose what's wrong with their setup. There is always room for improvement. I remember letting Ryan Tuerck drive my car before I rebuilt it from the bottom up when he came out to one of our ASB's and it gave me a better idea on how to setup my car when he gave me his feedback. I was still stuck in the lower is cooler trend and he noticed that my front tires were bottoming out under transition at Balcony but since I had grown so accustomed to it, it felt normal to me. I was supposed to drive his FD s13 coupe later on so that I could feel what a well setup s13 felt like but I never got around to it because him and I were so hung over and we both got a late start the next day at HTM. We had time for a nice tandem battle where my car got smoked because it didn't drift as fast and I finally realized the difference between a "cool" drift car and a well setup FD s13 is like.


I def agree with having someone with more experience driving while you are the pass in your own car. Ive rode with JR a few times and make sure and study the reactions of my car in relation to JR's actions such as when the ebrake is being used, throttle control, especially during entry to the first drift angle of attack as well as transitioning.

lol at the hung over part... those guys party hard Ive been to a few of their partys. Dont ever pass out first... you could be sitting on a perfectly good couch one minute and the next your dancing around a bonfire where it used to be. another favorite is the ice luge and bounce houses...

Flybert ... are you going to the track on the 4th? I know you know how to drive... hope you do.

wrek240
04-16-2010, 03:32 AM
. DONT GIVE UP MAN that feeling of sliding around a corner w/smoke flying beats any other fix out there too me any way:squintd: :)

Isn't that the truth! I've been wanting to get back but no moneis for my blown engines!

freckle
04-16-2010, 03:37 AM
some really good info

BoostSlideWayz
04-16-2010, 12:10 PM
[QUOTE=jspec240;3394902]Im in your same position. Im using my GI bill to go to school so I only get 1k per month Im married with a 3yr old but I still manage. You got to hustle man. find out what parts sell cheap in the junk yards clean em up and resell. Ive been doin that for a couple years now and has helped tremendously. I was honorably discharged from the AF with an AS degree and a clean record almost three years ago and am still on the prowl. DONT GIVE UP MAN that feeling of sliding around a corner w/smoke flying beats any other fix out there too me any way:squintd: :)

thanks i appriciate it.. i recently sold an old truck thats been sitting. now im selling my dirt bike... someday i will be able to.. or atleast i hope) and ill then know what its like..

ive tried drift with one of my cars once... in the magic mtn parking lot.. and i was like fuck it cuz the parking lot is soo huge. so i got it up to 60 and slighty pulled the brake. and i go one constant slide but then the transition spun me around and at the same time the security guy came and hes like.... What .. The Fuck are you doing ??? and i just looked at my steering wheel ( just practicing sir) and hes like ( alright well go do that somwhere else) its was cool

!Zar!
04-16-2010, 12:56 PM
You don't need to go 60 to learn how to drift. Practice countersteer donuts first. Keep it low speed, the faster you go, the faster things can go wrong.

jspec240
04-16-2010, 03:23 PM
[quote=jspec240;3394902]Im in your same position. Im using my GI bill to go to school so I only get 1k per month Im married with a 3yr old but I still manage. You got to hustle man. find out what parts sell cheap in the junk yards clean em up and resell. Ive been doin that for a couple years now and has helped tremendously. I was honorably discharged from the AF with an AS degree and a clean record almost three years ago and am still on the prowl. DONT GIVE UP MAN that feeling of sliding around a corner w/smoke flying beats any other fix out there too me any way:squintd: :)

thanks i appriciate it.. i recently sold an old truck thats been sitting. now im selling my dirt bike... someday i will be able to.. or atleast i hope) and ill then know what its like..

ive tried drift with one of my cars once... in the magic mtn parking lot.. and i was like fuck it cuz the parking lot is soo huge. so i got it up to 60 and slighty pulled the brake. and i go one constant slide but then the transition spun me around and at the same time the security guy came and hes like.... What .. The Fuck are you doing ??? and i just looked at my steering wheel ( just practicing sir) and hes like ( alright well go do that somwhere else) its was cool


what kind of dirt bike? size?. I might be able to get your project goin if your interested in trades. ill send a pm

lol at the MM parking lot your crazy man... Id love to do that tho...

You don't need to go 60 to learn how to drift. Practice countersteer donuts first. Keep it low speed, the faster you go, the faster things can go wrong.

True that..and the more skill needed to keep it controlled

Flybert
04-16-2010, 10:00 PM
Yeah, I'll definitely be at this year's ASB. I don't think I've missed one yet. I didn't drive at 2 of them but this year the car is ready to go. It's going to be hot as shit again, hopefully not as bad as last years.

jspec240
04-17-2010, 06:40 PM
Or we can just wait for the 4th... lol i need to take care of my drift craving and june was sounding a little far and warm.

anyone even remotely interested?

jspec240
04-20-2010, 03:00 PM
I was also wondering about shift lock... can you use it? if so how?

DJPimpFlex
04-20-2010, 07:06 PM
Shift lock is ok, but its pretty hard on most components. A well executed ebrake is better imo. Similar effect, but with less wear on clutch/tranny ect.

slamburger
04-20-2010, 08:06 PM
100% agree with this guy ^^^

cfrost
04-20-2010, 08:38 PM
I was also wondering about shift lock... can you use it? if so how?

don't bother ever doing that

it sounds cool, which is why it's good for domain names, but as far as driving goes.. I've driven a lot of different cars and different tracks and never needed it

240XTC
04-21-2010, 12:19 AM
IMO....Shift lock does wear the life of the drivetrain but great because you can keep both hands on the wheel :)

Versus

the original E-brake that and only wears on the brakes but takes a hand away from the wheel.

Shift locking is something to do here and there. Not every initiation/transition because my budget says so. :/

fcdrifter20
04-21-2010, 12:28 AM
I was also wondering about shift lock... can you use it? if so how?


i dont think i have ever once had to use that, i've never found it necessary to have to use

!Zar!
04-21-2010, 04:05 AM
I use to shift lock. Never again though. Way too much stress I felt on the drivetran, plus it doesn't allow as precise control of how long it is locked up unlike using the ebrake.

jspec240
04-21-2010, 05:12 AM
how is it done? but i doubt I will be exploring that method. Im assuming is would be like doin 80 and down shifting into 3rd gear.. lol

240XTC
04-21-2010, 11:40 AM
As a beginner it was down shift about 100 feet before the turn and lift up on the clutch once you've gone through the turn.

During comps its done later. Down shift and lift up, after you've steered into the turn.

-If you might want to try it one day, do it in the rain. Less trauma to the drivetrain :)

SUPERSTAR
04-21-2010, 04:21 PM
I stick my foot out and place it in between the blades of left rear wheel and bammm instant sliiiiiiiiiiide.

renegade_ewok
04-21-2010, 04:45 PM
I didn't read the thread, but I think I can post a few of my experiences.

My S14: Almost anything worked. Ebrake entries were pretty consistent in 2nd gear (never got on a 3rd gear track actually with this car) but the key I found was keeping the revs at a good level, ready to hit boost right away if necessary for minor angle corrections.

I loved turning in and clutch kicking and just letting the car do its thing, but its kind of inconsistent (depending on what tire, speed, etc would dictate how fast the rear would start rotating out). Using the ebrake was always a, "Oh shit, I'm coming in too shallow" response for me... then again I don't have too much experience (only circuit patterns I've driven was a Wall, NJ layout and a skidpad with cones).

I never really did instantaneous entries until this weekend in a lexus GS300...

With that one I did a very quick flick, power into the corner till you can feel a mild slide in the rear. Once that happened I immediately got on the brake (not ebrake) to bring the rear of the car around. Its not a technique I ever really considered because I thought I would lose too much speed or the car would over rotate too quickly but it worked just fine. After you get enough angle I got right back on the power (mind you this was on open diff automatic non turbo GS300).

Drifted just fine but my line is still usually off.

Here is something I hear a lot of people talk about but haven't heard a true verdict...

Rear sway bar. Run one or not?

I know a bunch of people who drift without one but I do have one on my S14. The one difference I gathered from the two is that if you have a rear sway the car is less likely to "come back" when you push it harder. But then again, thats only a handful of driving experiences so yeah...

!Zar!
04-22-2010, 03:56 AM
I am using a swaybar. I liked the way the car handled better after installing an aftermarket. Only car I wouldn't run a rear sway bar on would be something like an FC.

renegade_ewok
04-25-2010, 11:11 AM
I hear FCs grip monsters and get good once you know how to drift and use the grip to your advantage... am I right in that assumption?

eberle
04-26-2010, 11:07 PM
Seriously watching this helped me a ton. 6 different techniques all badass
Best Motoring Drift Bible (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4771288173175372926#)

Amazing in car views and detail

jspec240
05-01-2010, 04:50 AM
Wow.. Ive seen that before but didnt realize the significance until now.. thanks for the link. I really never liked to use either brakes and have always used weight transfer or "dynamic" drifting to enter my turns except for tight turns where I do use the ebrake but I really need to practice using the breaks because I want to learn how to use all methods so that I will be ready for any situation.

One thing I didnt see him do was double clutching. or if he did I missed it. Anyhow this really inspires me to go out and practice/study and enhance how I initiate a drift, hold it through the turn, transfering into the next turn/connecting multiple turns, and following through with a smooth finish.

RentonD
05-01-2010, 09:36 AM
So I have a really quick question. More of a setup question but what's the minimum tightness (tension) an e-brake should have in order to be effective on the track?

DJPimpFlex
05-01-2010, 11:32 AM
So I have a really quick question. More of a setup question but what's the minimum tightness (tension) an e-brake should have in order to be effective on the track?

That is a 100% preference setting. I prefer hydro.

jspec240
05-01-2010, 11:54 AM
Ive had success by tightening the tensioning bolt on the ebrake most of the way but dont overtighten. Just tighten gradually and test until you are satisfied. If that doesnt work change the rear breaks if they are worn. Ive never used a Hydro brake but Im in the process of purchasing one :) because they are the shit from what I have heard :). That and most of the pros have them so it must make a significant difference.

ericcastro
05-01-2010, 12:59 PM
I have used shift lock in the past.

I actually like what it does and the control you get.
But It will beat the shit out of your car.

So I suggest learning it.
Do it once your tires get real hot and slick.

Just have your RPMs up pretty high, so maybe 40mph in second gear, (KA)
clutch in, turn in, lift on clutch.
The engine will lock the wheels up for a minute while the crank and everything gets back up to the RPM's your driving at.

Now you actually have stepped the car out, have both hands on the wheeel and have instand access to RPMS.
But unlike a clutch kick, you didnt launch the car forwards when you initiated, you slowed it down like a ebrake, but have the RPM and sterring wheel control of a clutch kick.

make sense?

It is really ruff on the engine.
Its super rare I do it now.
And never on cold tires.

Its good to learn though.
Cause if you start doing grip/scca type events, you will probably do it on accident and should learn what it feels like and how to do a quik counter to keep control and your line.

jspec240
05-01-2010, 02:21 PM
which case do you personally use the shift lock? have you used it in an event

ericcastro
05-01-2010, 03:31 PM
By event you mean?

Like a contest.

Or just a track day?
I do everything and try everything at a track day. (no homo)

I usually will do it at the J turn on balcony.

Oh, I do it when i want to do a quick u turn.
Like on the str**t.
Or pulling back into the grid on balcony.


I think like everyone said, you should learn it to know it.
But its not a comon technique.

its also not as reliable as a clutch kick or ebrake.
You dont want to feint and turn in, clutch lock, and it doesnt step out, leaving you pushing towards the outside of a turn.

jspec240
05-05-2010, 10:32 PM
I know s13's are easier to drift than the s14's but there is a turn angle kit for the s14. D-Max Turning Angle Up Adapter Kit (http://www.rhdjapan.com/d-max-turning-angle-up-adapter-kit-62615)

Has anyone used it? how much improvement is there?

!Zar!
05-06-2010, 12:11 AM
To me s14's felt easier to drift personally. I actually want to install a s14 subframe into my s13.

But what makes you say those spacers will only work in a s14? They should work in both chassis I'd imagine.

jspec240
05-06-2010, 12:30 AM
To me s14's felt easier to drift personally. I actually want to install a s14 subframe into my s13.

But what makes you say those spacers will only work in a s14? They should work in both chassis I'd imagine.

Well Im friends with vaughn gittn jr, He has always said that to me and Ive researched and have seen most say s13 is easier to drift. I dont have much time in my s14 because Ive been building it but I spun out easier. (could have been many things but Ive always remembered what JR told me)

you know these are for the front steering right? just wondering cause you say you want to install the subframe which would indicate the rear. unless you are talking about changing over the whole front suspension and steering... not to insult you.

It could be many things and just because its JR dosent mean everything so thats not my supporting fact I have also went by others saying the same and when I did drift my s14 it was different but that could be just because I was use to the s13.

I do believe these will work in both chassis tho...

yarou
05-06-2010, 12:52 AM
you know these are for the front steering right? just wondering cause you say you want to install the subframe which would indicate the rear. unless you are talking about changing over the whole front suspension and steering... not to insult you.



Yes he knows those are for front steering and hes saying they fit more than just s14. They fit s12,s13,s14,s15,z32 and probably more

jspec240
05-06-2010, 12:59 AM
Yes he knows those are for front steering and hes saying they fit more than just s14. They fit s12,s13,s14,s15,z32 and probably more


ahhh... I never said they would ONLY fit an s14, I was just saying that ive seen alot saying that this part really helps the s14's steering, which I thought to be inferior to the s13. Just throwing it out there...

rage
05-06-2010, 02:07 AM
yeah definitely, my buddy rhys millen also told me adding steering angle on s14's makes them amazing

vvtisupra
05-06-2010, 11:36 AM
Since building my current motor, I have realize the wear and tear caused by clutch kicking Also by increasing the power output while retaining the stock gear box I have been trying not to clutch kick anymore.

Competing in Top Drift this year gives me the challenge to enter aggressively while being less aggressive on the car. This includes adding all the above techniques while utilizing less clutch kicking

As far as drifting an s13 vs s14, both cars have their positive. Owning and driving both I notice the S13 is more forgiving, however the S14 is easier to maintain and carry a drift.

FTWjesse
05-06-2010, 01:57 PM
yeah definitely, my buddy rhys millen also told me adding steering angle on s14's makes them amazing

lol :rofl:

fckillerbee
05-06-2010, 02:35 PM
I found s13's easier to drift in stock form just because of weight. I drive a s14....stock ka, I have no problem drifting it with 225 40 18's.

Jayteezzy
05-06-2010, 02:58 PM
They finally let you back on zilvia? Hahaha no wondern i haven't seen you post up on socal drift lOl ^

jspec240
05-06-2010, 03:47 PM
yeah definitely, my buddy rhys millen also told me adding steering angle on s14's makes them amazing

They finally let you back on zilvia? Hahaha no wondern i haven't seen you post up on socal drift lOl ^

lol I do know JR. I had two post NJ wall formula D event partys at my house for DA and one at his crib in MD.

Brian
05-06-2010, 04:06 PM
I wish people would stop thinking they need modified knuckles to drift.

I didn't have them on either of my cars.

jspec240
05-06-2010, 04:10 PM
I never said you had to have them. I was learning at the time and I know most people probably dont use them. I was just wanting feedback because I got it back together. guess I should have just taken it out before I asked the question... lol

240XTC
05-06-2010, 05:25 PM
I know s13's are easier to drift than the s14's but there is a turn angle kit for the s14. D-Max Turning Angle Up Adapter Kit (http://www.rhdjapan.com/d-max-turning-angle-up-adapter-kit-62615)

Has anyone used it? how much improvement is there?

I like how 13s are lighter than 14s. I like how 14s are heavier than 13s.

I haven't used it. I would imagine there would be some mad angle for a longer time frame, especially at high speeds. :2f2f:

Has anyone used it?

Brian
05-06-2010, 05:36 PM
I never said you had to have them. I was learning at the time and I know most people probably dont use them. I was just wanting feedback because I got it back together. guess I should have just taken it out before I asked the question... lol

Not really directing it at you.... Just tossing it out there like a butterfly.

ericcastro
05-06-2010, 05:42 PM
I wish people would stop thinking they need modified knuckles to drift.

I didn't have them on either of my cars.

im not so sure that Modified knuckles are a good idea on a low HP KA car.

I dont think my KA can keep drifting at a really steep angle.
Might be good for the occational spin out save.
But at that point, your gonna straighten out anyways.

Brian
05-06-2010, 05:45 PM
You would know, you ARE the drift king.

:thumbs up dude

fckillerbee
05-06-2010, 05:47 PM
im not so sure that Modified knuckles are a good idea on a low HP KA car.

I dont think my KA can keep drifting at a really steep angle.
Might be good for the occational spin out save.
But at that point, your gonna straighten out anyways.


it wouldn't matter castro....you can barely get full lock and keep drifting anyways...it would only be "needed" for initiation...other than that....you wont see that much angle....

side note....u-turns will be easy.




AND YESSS! I'M BACK !!!!! HAHAAAA

MrChow
05-06-2010, 06:19 PM
To Jspec240 about JR and how he drift is a different than most ppls. At least what i see. Like everyone know he's just balls to wall, full throttle full lock kind of guy. Which is really cool but hard to do for most other people. His car setup makes it easier for him to do that.

Like a few other ppl say speed. I still have a NA KA in a S14 and I have to do all of my drifts is coming has fast has possible get the weight transfer then go at it. Like shown in here.
YW0lk7R6_qM
Like for most of these turns in Autocross course I had to do trail braking or/and small feint for initiation. After the back straight was a Throttle Left to initiate.
Every turn has may different lines you can take in it. Now which one suit you is up to you and your drifting/driving technique.

I learn a lot of drifting from my friend that's a Skip Barber instructor that enjoy drifting.

All i have to say I can't wait to get more power =P Sorry is any of that was bad english.

Jayteezzy
05-06-2010, 06:23 PM
haha careful don't get pinked again lOl ^^

ericcastro
05-06-2010, 07:08 PM
You would know, you ARE the drift king.

:thumbs up dude
Whatever Brian.
Dont know what your constant attitude is about.

it wouldn't matter castro....you can barely get full lock and keep drifting anyways...it would only be "needed" for initiation...other than that....you wont see that much angle....

Not true at all.
I am at full lock quite a bit.
Its usually how i know its time to transition, lift off the gas or put the clutch in before i spin out.
I rarely hit full lock at initiation, but always hit it as i go through the course.( KA doesnt really have enough HP to hit full lock on inititation and to hold proper line on the rest of the course. You will scrub to much speed)
I actually was talked out of getting the knuckles before my coils by Jeff Abott about 2 years ago because i was at lock so much i was looking for a way around it.

Knuckles would help with being able to get a little more angle without binding up.
so things like trying to hold onto a drift a little longer before transition would be made easier.
it would also work as a great safety net in case you got to steep of an angle, you would have a little more left to catch yourself with.
They are also great for chasing in tandem, you can adjust your angle to get under the lead car AND stay on throttle.

Every time I am barely tapping a wall, i end up at full lock.
It was just saying that its hard to drag yourself out of full lock with a KA.
You end up having to manji a lot further out in the opposite direction to get your sped back up.

so trying to hold long drifts at full lock on knuckles with low HP will be extremely difficult.
But if you are going to be at full knuckle lock for a couple seconds here and there, then they should actually be realy nice.

Brian
05-06-2010, 07:42 PM
I don't know. I was in a good mood and smiling when I said that. Not hatin' at the moment.

DJPimpFlex
05-06-2010, 07:43 PM
I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....

Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's.

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

MrChow
05-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Whatever Brian.
Dont know what your constant attitude is about.


Not true at all.
I am at full lock quite a bit.
Its usually how i know its time to transition, lift off the gas or put the clutch in before i spin out.
I rarely hit full lock at initiation, but always hit it as i go through the course.( KA doesnt really have enough HP to hit full lock on inititation and to hold proper line on the rest of the course. You will scrub to much speed)
I actually was talked out of getting the knuckles before my coils by Jeff Abott about 2 years ago because i was at lock so much i was looking for a way around it.

Knuckles would help with being able to get a little more angle without binding up.
so things like trying to hold onto a drift a little longer before transition would be made easier.
it would also work as a great safety net in case you got to steep of an angle, you would have a little more left to catch yourself with.
They are also great for chasing in tandem, you can adjust your angle to get under the lead car AND stay on throttle.

Every time I am barely tapping a wall, i end up at full lock.
It was just saying that its hard to drag yourself out of full lock with a KA.
You end up having to manji a lot further out in the opposite direction to get your sped back up.

so trying to hold long drifts at full lock on knuckles with low HP will be extremely difficult.
But if you are going to be at full knuckle lock for a couple seconds here and there, then they should actually be realy nice.
^^ what he said.


I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....

Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's.

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME
Yeah it's all about Seat Time. I don't have enough still.. =|

Jayteezzy
05-06-2010, 08:27 PM
I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....

Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's.

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

WORD !
This man says NOTHING but the true
all in all s13 vs. s14 is just people opinions and favorites that's all

jspec240
05-06-2010, 09:18 PM
I'm friends with **Drop Important Name Here** and he said S13's are better because of **drop stupid reasoning here**....



Honestly everything has to do with set up, track, and most of all, driver skill. Drifting is a lot more driver than any other car motor sport. That is why you see guys with SR's and coils getting rolled by good drivers with welded's and SOHC's........

SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

haha you just contradicted yourself by saying that its about set up because thats what I was asking about. It wasnt just JR that told me it was different opinions on the net that made me ask the question and of course seat time is priority you learn your car and your cars set up. so you can keep on with your >>STATE OBVIOUS REASON* TO LOOK SMART*


and I have 8 yrs of seat time in my s13 but I was asking about an s14

mbvigil
05-06-2010, 09:26 PM
Personally I think its hard to initiate a drift turn unless your post count is below 500 on any online forum.

DJPimpFlex
05-06-2010, 09:35 PM
haha you just contradicted yourself by saying that its about set up because thats what I was asking about. It wasnt just JR that told me it was different opinions on the net that made me ask the question and of course seat time is priority you learn your car and your cars set up. so you can keep on with your >>STATE OBVIOUS REASON* TO LOOK SMART*


and I have 8 yrs of seat time in my s13 but I was asking about an s14

What I meant by set up is that you can't have a generic "S14 is better than S13" comment because set up changes both cars in unique ways tailored to the drivers/builders preference. I know that my car probably drives very different compared to a lot of other S13's based on my set up, and I know my car drives better than a stock S14, so does that make S13's better than S14's? No.

No need to come out swinging buddy were just talkin here. This is just the internet. <3 long time.

240XTC
05-06-2010, 10:12 PM
has any one use it yet?

jspec240
05-07-2010, 01:11 AM
What I meant by set up is that you can't have a generic "S14 is better than S13" comment because set up changes both cars in unique ways tailored to the drivers/builders preference. I know that my car probably drives very different compared to a lot of other S13's based on my set up, and I know my car drives better than a stock S14, so does that make S13's better than S14's? No.

No need to come out swinging buddy were just talkin here. This is just the internet. <3 long time.

cool I just called it as I saw it. I agree no ethugin <3 right back atcha

fckillerbee
05-07-2010, 10:18 AM
Whatever Brian.
Dont know what your constant attitude is about.


Not true at all.
I am at full lock quite a bit.
Its usually how i know its time to transition, lift off the gas or put the clutch in before i spin out.
I rarely hit full lock at initiation, but always hit it as i go through the course.( KA doesnt really have enough HP to hit full lock on inititation and to hold proper line on the rest of the course. You will scrub to much speed)
I actually was talked out of getting the knuckles before my coils by Jeff Abott about 2 years ago because i was at lock so much i was looking for a way around it.

Knuckles would help with being able to get a little more angle without binding up.
so things like trying to hold onto a drift a little longer before transition would be made easier.
it would also work as a great safety net in case you got to steep of an angle, you would have a little more left to catch yourself with.
They are also great for chasing in tandem, you can adjust your angle to get under the lead car AND stay on throttle.

Every time I am barely tapping a wall, i end up at full lock.
It was just saying that its hard to drag yourself out of full lock with a KA.
You end up having to manji a lot further out in the opposite direction to get your sped back up.

so trying to hold long drifts at full lock on knuckles with low HP will be extremely difficult.
But if you are going to be at full knuckle lock for a couple seconds here and there, then they should actually be realy nice.


I get full lock under initiation....it does scrub speed, but that is why you see me initiate late. And I'm usually one and a quarter rotation while drifting, when I get the full one and half, its usually to set up switching the car back. Your right on that one.

I've never really been big on the "full lock" since I don't have power, but then again, I'm trying to spin 18's. But you are driving 17s on your single cam....have you driven balcony since then? I know its a little harder to keep great angle since we have to keep our speed up. But I know I couldn't hold complete full lock, car isn't going fast enough/not enough power to push the car.

Even Chow's car, with around 300whp in his fc, you can see when he gets full lock, the car slows down to almost a deathly slow speed...

I think full lock is made for gangster initiations like pawlak, even essa has some full lock gangster lines...

(both of these people mentioned above I do not know them, they are fictional charecters, they are just used for fanboy reference)

ericcastro
05-07-2010, 01:52 PM
You can easily grab full lock around the last 3rd of the ring an balcony.

i usually try and come in decently shallow to try and keep up on inititation.

I think Chow could make some adjustments, take his tire pressure down and actually go faster, lol.(of course the last thing we need is for him to be going faster, lol)

I was playing with full lock initiation for awhile, but it just got old.
I wanted a true 90 degree angle, and its just not gonna happen till knuckles.

Plus, you have to transfer back pretty quikly after inititaion, unless you do that lame super manji thing where you hold your inititation drift to long.


I think balcony just doesnt have the best speed and distance for full lock drifting.

When Inland Drift was open, i was doing a lot of full lock.
The line i would take stated with a 270 degree sweeper into the figure 8 deal, manji past a cone and big 200 plus degree sweeper out.
So i could get to lock and hold it with throttle till i needed to straighten the wheel and gain some speed.



We need engine upgrades, lol.

Brian
05-07-2010, 04:34 PM
You're the king. How much angle do you get on the first clipping point?

ericcastro
05-07-2010, 07:46 PM
I can get to full lock if i want, but with the KA you loose a lot of speed.

So if i am running tandem, I usually take a shallow angle and try and tuck up under their inside fender for the ring part.
That usually will put me in a better position to be able to keep up around the ring.
Then I try and stay further inside at the end so i have room to transition right before they do.
That way I can be pushing up onto their other fender before they can get fully on the gas.
usually leaves me in a close position for everything but the inititaion and first clip.

But with my KA, people are usually 5 car lengths ahead at that point anyways, lol.

DJPimpFlex
05-07-2010, 08:57 PM
But with my KA, people are usually 5 car lengths ahead at that point anyways, lol.

Sounds like someone needs a swap :P

jspec240
05-07-2010, 10:00 PM
lol your really lookin to keep this thread goin...

DJPimpFlex
05-08-2010, 03:14 AM
lol your really lookin to keep this thread goin...

Lol I like it, keeps me motivated. I need to get back out there asap.

Kwonza Says
05-08-2010, 03:28 AM
Keep it going!! Love reading this thread esp Eric Castro and his KA drift. I just came back from Balcony and it's hard to keep power up. Have to beat the clutch like a Mofo!! Still isnt fast enuff -__-

SHINCHU
05-08-2010, 05:12 AM
Get Forza 3. Learn how to drift differently in the game, it'll help you for real life.

this.

it sounds dumb but it works (to a point).
while i was in japan, i went to Ebisu drift matsuri in 2006 and SUCKED. horribly. call it not used to rhd yet. call it shitty tire selection (225 front 255 rear sticky ass potenzas), call it ham-fisted n0ob. i flat out SUCKED.

forza 2 came out. praticed on there like a mofo with a detailed replica of my real s14.

Ebisu drift matsuri 2007. rocked its face off. well, by comparison.
(search youtube for "shinchu ebisu")
unfortunately i blew 2nd gear right when i was going to try minami (the D1 course) so i was just doing school course the whole time.

i initiate with a combo of ebrake and clutch kick i guess. i do a slight/quick feint, grab some ebrake and when i let the clutch back out i am already on the gas during the ebrake to build up a good amount of revs. wham-o, sideways and already making smoke. not a very long slide into the corner but depending on how tight the corner is, i am almost at full lock by the clipping point. (mostly thinking about "wall corner" at school course)
and if i am coming in too shallow and i am going too far outward (towards the wall) i stab the fuck outta the clutch (rev like hell) and give it more angle.
granted, i had the power to do pretty much whatever (about 400hp) but this is what worked best for me.

now i have a bone stock KA in my US spec s14, so i will see whats up when i finally get back out to some events after the last 2 or 3 years of nothing but forza lol and eric castro is giving me hope with the stock KA spinning the 18's! my exact setup right now! (coilovers, arms, 1.5way going in soon)

hopefully going to adams soon, maybe balcony if things work out...

cool thread. keep it alive!

jspec240
05-08-2010, 02:02 PM
^^ nice input.. only started drifting when I went to Japan for the USAF in 2001 and never drove stick till I got my first car over there.. lol my buddy robbie noshida who worked in the base auto shop had to drive me back to the base cause I couldnt drive it .. lol it was a 91 r32 gtst. that was my first car that introduced me into the drift scene. and have been in love with the sport ever since, so pretty much I was a noob noob when I started lol but started RHD which was aquard when I came back.. Id like to get back in to one to see how I do.

MrChow
05-08-2010, 02:41 PM
Keep it going!! Love reading this thread esp Eric Castro and his KA drift. I just came back from Balcony and it's hard to keep power up. Have to beat the clutch like a Mofo!! Still isnt fast enuff -__-
The more your kick in a drift the more speed you lose in a KA IMO. Just line better, keep has more speed has u can and more throttle.

SHINCHU
05-08-2010, 02:57 PM
^^ nice input.. only started drifting when I went to Japan for the USAF in 2001 and never drove stick till I got my first car over there.. lol my buddy robbie noshida who worked in the base auto shop had to drive me back to the base cause I couldnt drive it .. lol it was a 91 r32 gtst. that was my first car that introduced me into the drift scene. and have been in love with the sport ever since, so pretty much I was a noob noob when I started lol but started RHD which was aquard when I came back.. Id like to get back in to one to see how I do.

awesome.
yeah in yokosuka navy base you have to apply for a manual license (lame).
so mistermephistopheles here offered his red 180 for me to take the test.
other than putting it in 5th instead of 1st, i did fine. :duh:

and fckillerbee, dont mind brian. he's out of his element.

ericcastro
05-08-2010, 04:15 PM
The more your kick in a drift the more speed you lose in a KA IMO. Just line better, keep has more speed has u can and more throttle.

Well, yes and no imo.

If you need to kick the clutch to keep angle and hold drift, then you got to.
Or you loose your drift altogether.

Its not like any of us Low HP guys are just kicking the shit out of our clutch for fun.
We do it cause we are about to grip up the rears.

And After you clutch kick, your wheels spin faster again, so you may loose the smallest bit of speed from scrubbing for that .5 second clutch kick.
But the speed is gained back and then some as the wheel spin/speed increases after the clutch kick, as well as maintaining higher RPM's and a longer drift.

If you think clutch kicking slows you down, try this experiment.
Next time you are in a 4o mph drift or so and coming up on a wall.
And you think, i could use some more angle here and probably slow down a touch.....
instead of ebraking, CLUTCH kick, and get back to us on how much it slowed you down, lol

see you in the WTB thread, lol.



Or you could just ask Kelvin how much a clutch kick slowed him down at RedBull LB last year.

dkwasherexd
05-08-2010, 10:55 PM
i had to clutch kick like 20 times on balcony with my slow single cam haha

MrChow
05-09-2010, 04:40 PM
Well, yes and no imo.

If you need to kick the clutch to keep angle and hold drift, then you got to.
Or you loose your drift altogether.

Its not like any of us Low HP guys are just kicking the shit out of our clutch for fun.
We do it cause we are about to grip up the rears.

And After you clutch kick, your wheels spin faster again, so you may loose the smallest bit of speed from scrubbing for that .5 second clutch kick.
But the speed is gained back and then some as the wheel spin/speed increases after the clutch kick, as well as maintaining higher RPM's and a longer drift.

If you think clutch kicking slows you down, try this experiment.
Next time you are in a 4o mph drift or so and coming up on a wall.
And you think, i could use some more angle here and probably slow down a touch.....
instead of ebraking, CLUTCH kick, and get back to us on how much it slowed you down, lol

see you in the WTB thread, lol.



Or you could just ask Kelvin how much a clutch kick slowed him down at RedBull LB last year.
I understand that very much. I normal kick when I need to keep my wheel speed up.
I'm still learning a few these here and there about holding long drifts. Aka drifting a straight away.
Like slow long sweeping turns I brake near the clipping point to get the car to rotate/angle more then dump the clutch to get the wheel spin again.

I haven't played around with clutch kicking a lot since I've been able to hold most drifts with higher speed or a good line. Also my memory of clutch kicking is when I was on stock suspension so when I did it then did mess weight transfers that weren't need.

I'll have "experiment" with kick now. Lol hopefully not. I should be already posting in the WTB threads.

fckillerbee
05-10-2010, 12:36 PM
this.

it sounds dumb but it works (to a point).
while i was in japan, i went to Ebisu drift matsuri in 2006 and SUCKED. horribly. call it not used to rhd yet. call it shitty tire selection (225 front 255 rear sticky ass potenzas), call it ham-fisted n0ob. i flat out SUCKED.

forza 2 came out. praticed on there like a mofo with a detailed replica of my real s14.

Ebisu drift matsuri 2007. rocked its face off. well, by comparison.
(search youtube for "shinchu ebisu")
unfortunately i blew 2nd gear right when i was going to try minami (the D1 course) so i was just doing school course the whole time.

i initiate with a combo of ebrake and clutch kick i guess. i do a slight/quick feint, grab some ebrake and when i let the clutch back out i am already on the gas during the ebrake to build up a good amount of revs. wham-o, sideways and already making smoke. not a very long slide into the corner but depending on how tight the corner is, i am almost at full lock by the clipping point. (mostly thinking about "wall corner" at school course)
and if i am coming in too shallow and i am going too far outward (towards the wall) i stab the fuck outta the clutch (rev like hell) and give it more angle.
granted, i had the power to do pretty much whatever (about 400hp) but this is what worked best for me.

now i have a bone stock KA in my US spec s14, so i will see whats up when i finally get back out to some events after the last 2 or 3 years of nothing but forza lol and eric castro is giving me hope with the stock KA spinning the 18's! my exact setup right now! (coilovers, arms, 1.5way going in soon)

hopefully going to adams soon, maybe balcony if things work out...

cool thread. keep it alive!

everyone....please understand, I use forza to test out different lines...its a really cooperative simultaion in that aspect.

The more your kick in a drift the more speed you lose in a KA IMO. Just line better, keep has more speed has u can and more throttle.

I clutch kick to get the car sideways on initiation, I also clutchkick when someone brake checks me, as well trying to keep wheel speed up when i'm drifting tight corners (not enough forward grip/power)

awesome.
yeah in yokosuka navy base you have to apply for a manual license (lame).
so mistermephistopheles here offered his red 180 for me to take the test.
other than putting it in 5th instead of 1st, i did fine. :duh:

and fckillerbee, dont mind brian. he's out of his element.


brian who??? lol....I think brian trys to give castro shit....because they both have the most post counts. lol.

hey bh....will you be my friend?

iamtheyi
05-10-2010, 03:44 PM
lol i love this thread. Helps me think through concepts before I go for my first track day. :D

SUPERSTAR
05-10-2010, 04:36 PM
Top Ramen is not bad at all.

Drift bro, Drift.

Brian
05-10-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm your friend.

fckillerbee
05-10-2010, 05:37 PM
I'm your friend.
:fruit:woooohooooo!

Brian
05-10-2010, 05:38 PM
:fruit:woooohooooo!


:wan: !

fckillerbee
05-10-2010, 05:41 PM
that was too fast....lol

Brian
05-10-2010, 05:41 PM
that was too fast....lol

That's what she said.

SUPERSTAR
05-10-2010, 06:03 PM
He not She .

fckillerbee
05-10-2010, 06:06 PM
That's what she said.

He not She .


never heard her say that...

and ernie...thats what your tire installer said



:kiss:

SUPERSTAR
05-10-2010, 06:09 PM
I miss you Hammy.

BH is a hoodratt.

fckillerbee
05-10-2010, 06:11 PM
I miss you Hammy.

BH is a hoodratt.


the gayness is starting to take over the thread.....































......waiting on some kittens now....unfortunately.

Brian
05-10-2010, 06:14 PM
s e x

SUPERSTAR
05-10-2010, 06:16 PM
Corn flakes.

!Zar!
05-10-2010, 06:17 PM
http://img.infibeam.com/img/14d737f3/b8af1/60/829/P-M-MO-0712267260829.jpg

fckillerbee
05-10-2010, 06:20 PM
speechless....can we please talk about drifting. I wasn't banned for a month to come back to a socal-drift atmosphere.

SUPERSTAR
05-10-2010, 06:21 PM
http://img.infibeam.com/img/14d737f3/b8af1/60/829/P-M-MO-0712267260829.jpg

That's super hot. Where may I purchase this?


Hammy, They are Drifters. Topic still on course.

Dustxking
05-10-2010, 06:24 PM
Wide open, flick, Counter, More wide open. E brake to extend. Clutch kicks when needed. Brake to transfer.


this. is all that needs to b said. Thread should b closed.

Jayteezzy
05-10-2010, 07:19 PM
That's super hot. Where may I purchase this?


Hammy, They are Drifters. Topic still on course.
indeed it is

speechless....can we please talk about drifting. I wasn't banned for a month to come back to a socal-drift atmosphere.
haha you love it don't liee ;)
cause you use to go on it either way lol

240XTC
05-10-2010, 08:17 PM
Spine-Tingling!....LOL!!

Thanks !ZAR! haha

jspec240
05-10-2010, 11:22 PM
the gayness is starting to take over the thread.....

......waiting on some kittens now....unfortunately.



wow I surprised you didnt get pinked for that. they usually pink you right away... lol

but as long as anyone has an input about different techniques please do cause thats what this is about. yea you can discuss the differences but dont tear the thread down. Ive learned a lot.

jspec240
05-10-2010, 11:23 PM
this. is all that needs to b said. Thread should b closed. Originally Posted by Xbroke_kidX http://icandy.zilvia.net/img/zilvia/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/313584-drift-entrance-techniques-form-post3367687.html#post3367687)
Wide open, flick, Counter, More wide open. E brake to extend. Clutch kicks when needed. Brake to transfer.



So you think thats all there is... lol

!Zar!
05-10-2010, 11:34 PM
Honestly, I think it is best to try and learn each technique first and once you have it down, move onto the next one. Then once you have some core techniques, try them out at the same location and see what differences you notice. Different cars/setups and drivers require different techniques. At Buttonwillow it was my first time running east loop CCW and I couldn't for the life of me figure out the right line to take through it. I kept trying ebrake entry and it wasn't quite working for me. Then I tried clutch kicking and had better success. After that, I tried weight shifting into a clutchkick. And that worked great for me. Is that the only way to take the corner, no. But it is what worked for my car and I that day.

jspec240
05-10-2010, 11:52 PM
Thank you sir... ^^^

240XTC
05-11-2010, 12:02 AM
My bad OP....That gayness was too funny...LOL..





If I could have done it differently as a beginner, I would have learned wide donuts. Then after to figure 8's. Master each one clock-wise and counter clock-wise before attempting courses.

This would have saved me soooo much money since I crashed so much trying to tackle courses.

Dai's driving academy (JDM Option) is set up that way. IMO it is superior technique to learning your vehicle.

ericcastro
05-11-2010, 02:10 AM
Im just gonna leave this here.............



Tanner Foust Backward Entry on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/11638856)

rage
05-11-2010, 03:51 AM
was that a qualifying run?

jspec240
05-11-2010, 11:49 AM
DAMN ... lol not the first time Ive seen it done tho. ken block did that aswell around a cone in his second vid. FF to 2:09 YouTube - Ken Block's Amazing Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ADq-O_wr8)

Both are sick.. and man is Tanner gettin use to that TC his mulholland run was sick too.

YouTube - Tanner Foust Street Drift: Mulholland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kaj0QyAUoo)

Brian
05-11-2010, 11:59 AM
That TC is so sick.

It really knows how to turn and burn.

BALLER

Jayteezzy
05-11-2010, 01:56 PM
that mulholland video wasn't that great
he's a good driver tho TC is just so random also
cool tho hahaha

ericcastro
05-11-2010, 02:04 PM
DAMN ... lol not the first time Ive seen it done tho. ken block did that aswell around a cone in his second vid. FF to 2:09 YouTube - Ken Block's Amazing Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ADq-O_wr8)

Both are sick.. and man is Tanner gettin use to that TC his mulholland run was sick too.

YouTube - Tanner Foust Street Drift: Mulholland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kaj0QyAUoo)

watch Kens wheels.

He is Rally drifting which is totally different.
Front wheels are in and out of over and understeer.
And its real easy to do in a AWD car in comparison.

Brian
05-11-2010, 02:12 PM
Eric Castro, what is your favourite drift entrance form?

ericcastro
05-11-2010, 03:08 PM
rear entry.

or, backwards entry as some call it..........

Brian
05-11-2010, 03:14 PM
DO you do those?

gearhead55
05-11-2010, 03:42 PM
watch Kens wheels.

He is Rally drifting which is totally different.
Front wheels are in and out of over and understeer.
And its real easy to do in a AWD car in comparison.

True, also if you watch that ken block video you can see that there are tires marks everywhere, he had like a million takes to get the shots in that video. Tanner had to hit that line during competition. you can't even compare the two.

Csomme
05-11-2010, 03:47 PM
was that a qualifying run?

Friday night. Pretty sure it was practice, might have been qualifying though.

Mikes entries I thought were pretty crazy and consistant during practice. Backwards as hell in that BMW.

KA240SX808
05-11-2010, 03:53 PM
Im just gonna leave this here.............



Tanner Foust Backward Entry on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/11638856)


and I'm gonna leave This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CK94zCXsKI


with that........ :eek2:

jspec240
05-11-2010, 05:23 PM
^^^^ yup seen that one before but that was in Japan still judges thought it was against the laws of physics.. haha

watch Kens wheels.

He is Rally drifting which is totally different.
Front wheels are in and out of over and understeer.
And its real easy to do in a AWD car in comparison.


Lol Ive never tried it but I did take a second look and still think its still a pretty tough manuver however I think my new favorite entrance would have to be the backwards entrance too now unless I could nail the 360 before the entrance...

you think it would be called over drift in japanese english..?? haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFdCj4zZnQE

240XTC
05-11-2010, 06:07 PM
and I'm gonna leave This:

YouTube - The Perfect Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CK94zCXsKI)


with that........ :eek2:


Held it!..........................:eek::eek::eek:

KA240SX808
05-11-2010, 07:41 PM
YouTube - Crazy AE86 360 Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GFmrjVMNI)

Yeah, what he said :p




I can't wait till our track opens. We haven't had a place to slide since about 03' :(

fcdrifter20
05-11-2010, 08:53 PM
Watch Mike Essa entry... its gangsta too...

YouTube - Michael Essa's Second Qualifying Run at Formula Drift Atlanta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIW7OooZKEE)

SUPERSTAR
05-11-2010, 09:18 PM
I love rear entry too.

On Eric or BH, it's all the same at the end. Rushhhhhhh.

KA240SX808
05-11-2010, 11:12 PM
Anybody got good instructional type videos, or any good video's to learn from in general? for me the only one I really learned something from was watch DB time after time. And with no track here, getting out and doing it is kind of limited if you don't want to get caught.

jspec240
05-11-2010, 11:24 PM
Anybody got good instructional type videos, or any good video's to learn from in general? for me the only one I really learned something from was watch DB time after time. And with no track here, getting out and doing it is kind of limited if you don't want to get caught.


Damn I guess it sucks to live in Hawaii... lol ... so no one overthere is willing to lend a parking lot??? Or get a filming permit once a month on a street that isnt too busy :) then you got your empty street (track) and guaranteed its filmed.. haha

KA240SX808
05-12-2010, 12:09 AM
Yeah. Nobody does. There's alot of good places too but Security won't. Most of it is "Slide n Hide" or "Hit it and Quit it"... but that get's boring and irritating after a while ya know?

jspec240
05-12-2010, 12:53 AM
damn too much doe to build a skid pad too.. Im sure the property would be crazy prices even now... forza 3, youtube, thepiratebay.org, and the best of luck man...

KA240SX808
05-12-2010, 02:39 AM
I got FM3 (GT = xKA240SX 808x if you wanna hit me up) and YT down but IDK what to look for on PB, just any BMI vDrift vid? Do they have Option on there too?

jspec240
05-13-2010, 01:17 AM
not sure just search for whatever you are wanting to practice on.

Slidin' Sam
05-13-2010, 02:16 AM
Ok, so all of you that say "no" to e-brake, and that it is wrong, and that you disconnected, you are wrong. I am not here to argue that everyone should use side brake all the time, but to think that you should never use it at all when you are drifting makes you a fool. I know a lot of people here are inspired by Japan when it comes to drifting and the touge here. Well, I hate to break it to you non-ebrake people, but you would die if you tried to drift in the mtn's here without using it. One downhill touge run and you go off a cliff for sure. Side brake is essential for trimming speed and line. You can use it to help pull your line out and get more angle as well as scrub speed when you are coming in too hot. I know a lot of professional drivers over here and they all use side brake.

As far as other techniques are concerned, you can not just stick to one or two. You have to learn and master all of them to be good at drifting. You should also try to drift as many car's as possible. I had to completely change up my style of driving to drift my friends c35 laurel (I drive a s14). Every vehicle, every set-up, every track, and every corner will require different inputs to the car and the inputs you put into the car may require you to make more inputs.

This is my .02 on the matter. I could go into WAY more details about techniques, but doing it on a forum is going to be too broad and difficult.

MrChow
05-13-2010, 04:57 AM
^^
For the few of us that are say "no to e-brake" like me, we're the guys with stock KA power. So we have kinda of have to change drifting techniques to like a under power car. I know of few of us are talking about a single track where we can't lose any speed or else it'll change the rest of the drift for us.

Now don't get me wrong e-brake drifting is something I learned to do and do enjoy it when I can enough speed for it or setup for.

Slidin' Sam
05-13-2010, 06:18 AM
I have drifted bone stock KA and n/a SR's and with both of them i have used/needed to use side brake. Check out this video, I am driving the green s14 (it was a missile project) . It's NA sr20de and I use side brake. Gaijin Smash Ebisu Nov 09 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/9462211)

karl wasabi
05-13-2010, 06:52 AM
Im just gonna leave this here.............


Tanner Foust Backward Entry on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/11638856)

DAMN ... lol not the first time Ive seen it done tho. ken block did that aswell around a cone in his second vid. FF to 2:09 YouTube - Ken Block's Amazing Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ADq-O_wr8)

Both are sick.. and man is Tanner gettin use to that TC his mulholland run was sick too.

YouTube - Tanner Foust Street Drift: Mulholland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Kaj0QyAUoo)

and I'm gonna leave This:

YouTube - The Perfect Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CK94zCXsKI)


with that........ :eek2:

I really think that both Kawabata's and Foust's backwards entries were on accident. When Kawabata did it, his car slowed down so much, but he has the steering angle and horsepower to pull him out of a complete stop or spin.

Same thing with Foust. He was way off the first clipping point because of it and he also had the horsepower to pull him out. Now I'm not saying that they were lucky or anything, they are amazing drivers, but I'd like to see them try it again with the same end results.

Ken Block's backwards entry is completely different. I'd like to see him try it in a RWD car.

Ok, so all of you that say "no" to e-brake, and that it is wrong, and that you disconnected, you are wrong. I am not here to argue that everyone should use side brake all the time, but to think that you should never use it at all when you are drifting makes you a fool. I know a lot of people here are inspired by Japan when it comes to drifting and the touge here. Well, I hate to break it to you non-ebrake people, but you would die if you tried to drift in the mtn's here without using it. One downhill touge run and you go off a cliff for sure. Side brake is essential for trimming speed and line. You can use it to help pull your line out and get more angle as well as scrub speed when you are coming in too hot. I know a lot of professional drivers over here and they all use side brake.

As far as other techniques are concerned, you can not just stick to one or two. You have to learn and master all of them to be good at drifting. You should also try to drift as many car's as possible. I had to completely change up my style of driving to drift my friends c35 laurel (I drive a s14). Every vehicle, every set-up, every track, and every corner will require different inputs to the car and the inputs you put into the car may require you to make more inputs.

This is my .02 on the matter. I could go into WAY more details about techniques, but doing it on a forum is going to be too broad and difficult.

Didn't read the whole thread, but I don't think anyone here is strictly no ebrake. I'm sure everyone uses it from time to time, but some less than others. If you are talking about canyon drifting then yes, e-brake is almost a must. If we are talking track drifting with clipping points and what not, you would only use it to hold, extend, or correct a line; but most of the time you'll loose points for doing that.

Oh, I like how the last clip of you is e-braking and then almost understeering into a wall. lol.

Totally jealous that you've driven on that track though. haha.

Brian
05-13-2010, 10:24 AM
E brake was cool.
.... when you are going down a straightaway and slide into the turn.

MrChow
05-13-2010, 03:02 PM
I have drifted bone stock KA and n/a SR's and with both of them i have used/needed to use side brake. Check out this video, I am driving the green s14 (it was a missile project) . It's NA sr20de and I use side brake. Gaijin Smash Ebisu Nov 09 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/9462211)
I don't want to had more fuel to a fire but...

E brake was cool.
.... when you are going down a straightaway and slide into the turn.
Pretty much what he said.

Again everyone has there own way of drifting. If you like side brake drift good for you. I like braking/trail braking drifting or throttle lifting. I had my fun with e-brakes but then learn how to faster and hold a better angle drift for some turns then others. Again I still do and use my e-brakes for some turns.

Also again I'm on wayy bigger tires/wheels then you. I most of us KA are bigger tires. Your on i believe are like 15x6 (idk that wheel..) w/ 205 or 195/55/15 with a lot over camber like -3 ish so there like no traction so it's easier for you to side around.
I'm on 17x9 w/ 225/45/17 with -1.2 camber way more traction to deal with but I'm able to control my drift way more. Also I'm drifting on random autocross course where I need a lot of traction so I can follow a line.

Slidin' Sam
05-13-2010, 07:15 PM
That last clip at the end of the video was definately one of my friends failing, lol. I forgot to mention, that was filmed with a horrible slipping stock clutch...I don't know how we drove that car home! lol

Highway Riding
05-13-2010, 09:39 PM
+1 on watching the Drift Bible.

SHINCHU
05-14-2010, 12:22 AM
anyone have specs on the foust tC? is it the same car that was built for gushi? rwd compnonents used form the yaris, right? would be rad if somebody sold a kit to bolt all that shit on with minimum fab.
that tC reminds me of a new levin more than this ft86 crap.

speaking of 86, with my old kookoo i used to just haul ass to a corner and stand on the brakes, with a gentle turn in, that thing just whipped right around. damn i miss that car...
got some footage somewhere from DD16 @ fontana... so fun. need to find the footage and upload it.

also about clutch kicking while coming towards a wall... it actually helped me get away from the wall at ebisu school course. if you search youtube for "shinchu ebisu" i have 4 parts there, one of them i get kinda close to the wall and stabbed the clutch and increased angle. better than what i did at fuji drift course. i went wide there, panicked and hit the brakes. bumped into the wall, but zero damage. lucked out.
anywho, continue with thread of kissing drifters. nothin but love here! :keke:

oh and the pirate bay... i just got drift tengoku #48 there. good tech on increasing your steering angle. they show how much you get from spacers, tie rods, knuckles, etc. including grinding down the little nub on your knuckles that hit the limit stops on your LCA. its not much but everything counts, right?

karl wasabi
05-14-2010, 04:04 AM
anyone have specs on the foust tC? is it the same car that was built for gushi? rwd compnonents used form the yaris, right? would be rad if somebody sold a kit to bolt all that shit on with minimum fab.
that tC reminds me of a new levin more than this ft86 crap.

Gushi's TC and Foust's TC are completely different. Gushi has a Beams 4cyl turbo motor, and Foust has a Toyota NASCAR V8 motor. haha

And Yaris' are FWD...? ;)

fckillerbee
05-14-2010, 10:43 AM
you are talking about e-braking down a touge....we are talking about a track...there is minimal speed changes at certain tracks...and for the few of us with no to limited power, it's not necessary...not only that, but slows you down too much. Don't get me wrong, I've used it, but it's usually when i'm tandeming and having to correct.

erickaori628
05-15-2010, 05:34 AM
Yep im a noob at posting:wavey:

erickaori628
05-15-2010, 05:46 AM
Yep im a noob a posting

azndoc
05-15-2010, 06:23 AM
Hi. Just thought I'd jump in. I'm new to Zilvia and l'm enjoying this forum. Lived in Japan for the last 5 yrs. I now have a stock ka sohc drifting that. Like Tsuchiya said "a lot of techniques can't be learned in a high powered vehicle" so props to you fellaz doing it with low power. Mad respect. I also have experience drifting low power vehicles. In response to Slidin' Sam I use my e-brake a lot. It keeps me on the track/touge by maintaining complete balance. It’s a correction to overdoing it on the apex. So I don’t see anything wrong with it. Beside I love Choku dori entries too much. I need to keep my speed up in my KA so I don’t use my e-brake initiating on the track. Touge is a different beast.

Please check me out on youtube. Type MSP drifting. Click on E. Williams. This is an old video. Editing sucks. I improved a lot since 2008. I'll post new stuff when I return home from iraq.
http://zilvia.net/f/attachment.php?attachmentid=18611&stc=1&d=1273919509
Drifting is when your sidewayz before you hit that corner

Holy fuck I feel like I just read Tokyo Drift in a book format or something.

The way I see it is you have all these components of a car. Use it all.

Best way to learn is just to try it all and see what suits you and the track.

erickaori628
05-15-2010, 06:53 AM
DAM bro. Didn't mean to make it sound like a novel. But ur right if ur car came with it use it.

jspec240
05-15-2010, 07:17 AM
Im almost done setting up my s14 and I know Im not gonna have a perfect set up so test and tune time. learning what parts can help with what function that best suits you, will get you somewhere, many go over the top or build to the specs of others but Im building it around me and how I drift. builds character... lol

I thank those who gave helpful feedback in this thread because I will be practicing this weekend and have a few key items Im gonna focus on. as far as technique and set up.

240XTC
05-15-2010, 09:04 AM
Push your self handicapped. The after market parts will always be there. Skill will not.....

pacotaco345
05-15-2010, 09:13 AM
THIS!
YouTube - Nobuteru Taniguchi Drift Tecnique - Dorifuto Tekunikku in Tsukuba (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXERJtWobsg)
Is amazing...

jspec240
05-15-2010, 11:49 AM
Push your self handicapped. The after market parts will always be there. Skill will not.....

Thats not nice.... lol Ill I got skill in my s13 but just got my s14 goin so I guess Ill have a lil handicap in that aspect.... this whole thread is about getting insight and feedback for me it keeps an outsiders perspective straying away from tunnel vision.

240XTC
05-15-2010, 01:55 PM
Thats not nice.... lol Ill I got skill in my s13 but just got my s14 goin so I guess Ill have a lil handicap in that aspect.... this whole thread is about getting insight and feedback for me it keeps an outsiders perspective straying away from tunnel vision.

The statement was made in general not directed.

MrChow
05-15-2010, 02:26 PM
Im almost done setting up my s14 and I know Im not gonna have a perfect set up so test and tune time. learning what parts can help with what function that best suits you, will get you somewhere, many go over the top or build to the specs of others but Im building it around me and how I drift. builds character... lol

I thank those who gave helpful feedback in this thread because I will be practicing this weekend and have a few key items Im gonna focus on. as far as technique and set up.
Try to get a camera setup in your car. Make sure you can see your steering work and some what of your pedal work. It's great learning when you can see what your doing and trying to improve on it.

jspec240
05-15-2010, 04:39 PM
U know.. I thought about it before but I think Im really gonna have to do it now... good lookin out..

MrChow
05-15-2010, 08:04 PM
hehe rgr that! I enjoy watching my laps and seeing how i can improve on.

This is last autocross i was at. Trying to grip but one of my rear wheel has a really bad toe so I had a lot of oversteer problems. Also I didn't take enough time setup my camera so it wasn't great view. But here it is.
YvvdmSvNbJ0

You better post your video =D

jspec240
05-16-2010, 03:54 PM
will do,,, still gotta get a camera and a mounting kit.. :)

articdragon192
05-16-2010, 08:37 PM
I've been starting to learn how to use both clutch kicking and e-braking in my Z32. At Balcony, I initiate using the e-brake. A quick jab of the e-brake and the rear end comes out and enough speed is scrubbed so the rear end doesn't swing out from under me. I've noticing that if I'm transitioning quickly after the initiation, e-brake works best.
However, at the NOS Center, where you intiate into a wide banked sweeper, clutch kicking helps keep my rpms up and doesn't allow for any loss of speed. Same with the higher speed course at El Toro. The wide right hander is initiated through clutch kick in order to keep all of the momentum I have in order to keep wheel speed up to keep 255s spinning.
Initiation just depends on what the first turn leads to for my car.

jspec240
05-16-2010, 08:57 PM
Thats awesome your drifting a Z32... just from what people said I never would have tried to drift one but I ended up trading a truck for one, a slick top which has a little shorter wheel base than the usual t-top.. and let me tell you.. It did very well, I just really hate working on the engines.. lol

jspec240
05-17-2010, 01:47 PM
hehe rgr that! I enjoy watching my laps and seeing how i can improve on.

This is last autocross i was at. Trying to grip but one of my rear wheel has a really bad toe so I had a lot of oversteer problems. Also I didn't take enough time setup my camera so it wasn't great view. But here it is.
YvvdmSvNbJ0

You better post your video =D


If your gonna do a cam tho post it inside so you can see exactly what you are doing to make the car react, have someone on the outside too but mainly you want one on the inside.

I have an old one from the outside

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/beezon/th_033-2.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/beezon/?action=view&current=033-2.flv)

Slidin' Sam
05-18-2010, 12:45 AM
Off topic a little: You said your building a s14? Have you always drifted a s13 and your now switching to a s14, or have you gone kinda back and forth? I have found that the s14 almost drifts itself...just clutch kick, gas, and go, lol. ALMOST. Definately a different driving experience than the s13.

MrChow
05-18-2010, 02:27 AM
If your gonna do a cam tho post it inside so you can see exactly what you are doing to make the car react, have someone on the outside too but mainly you want one on the inside.

I have an old one from the outside

Yup yup! My friend is wanting to do actually for me. We actually got 3 cameras to setup. One for the inside, another being shot from a outside and we dunno where the 3rd should go.

jspec240
05-18-2010, 02:47 AM
Off topic a little: You said your building a s14? Have you always drifted a s13 and your now switching to a s14, or have you gone kinda back and forth? I have found that the s14 almost drifts itself...just clutch kick, gas, and go, lol. ALMOST. Definately a different driving experience than the s13.

I have drifted my s14 like 3 yrs ago, and yea I have been drifting an s13 so its gonna be different. I wasnt able to go out this weekend but will week after next. I cant wait to get in and hit the track again.

jspec240
05-25-2010, 11:31 PM
Anyone tried the Yamato garage suspension parts?

KA240SX808
06-30-2010, 12:02 AM
Thread kind of died off, was wondering if anyone else had input?

deuce40sxftw
06-30-2010, 12:39 AM
Yup yup! My friend is wanting to do actually for me. We actually got 3 cameras to setup. One for the inside, another being shot from a outside and we dunno where the 3rd should go.

put the 3rd one on top of the car or somewhere that you can see both wheels of one side, so you can see when it starts sliding and when u counter steer

fckillerbee
06-30-2010, 08:01 PM
Thread kind of died off, was wondering if anyone else had input?

input for what.....everything that could possibly be answered about drifting....kinda has been.

h2v7
07-01-2010, 11:06 AM
so doubble clutching.


i know about it but i dont really use it ever.

when is a situation where this would come in handy?

theboy
07-01-2010, 01:17 PM
when you start falling out of your power band, and need more tire speed and smoke

MANOlOS14
07-01-2010, 01:23 PM
i saw this on a video, i personally havent tried it.

Ur in 3rd gear about to enter the turn, u pull the ebrake going still straight, shift down to 2nd begin to turn and release the ebrake and after that pretty much throttle control and steering...