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Gnnr
02-11-2010, 10:50 AM
Ahmadinejad Says Iran Is Now a 'Nuclear State' (http://www.aolnews.com/article/ahmadinejad-says-iran-is-now-a-nuclear-state/19353148)

(Feb. 11) -- As hundreds of thousands of Iranians took to the streets of Tehran to mark the 31st anniversary of the Islamic Revolution and riot police clashed with anti-government demonstrators, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a pro-regime rally today that their country is now a "nuclear state."

Addressing a crowd that had gathered in the central Azadi (Freedom) Square to celebrate the overthrow of the pro-Western Shah in 1979, Ahmadinejad revealed that Iranian scientists had produced their first batch of enriched uranium. "The first package of 20 percent fuel has been produced. We are now a nuclear state," he said. "We have the capability to enrich uranium more than 20 percent or 80 percent but we don't enrich (to this level) because we don't need it."

America and many of its allies accuse Tehran of using its civilian nuclear program -- which it says is creating fuel for power plants -- as a cover to build atomic weapons. They argue that Iran does not have the scientific know-how to turn enriched material into fuel rods for a reactor, and so must be planning to use the uranium -- which, if enriched to 90 percent, can be made into a bomb -- for something more dangerous. The Obama administration is pushing for tough U.N. sanctions to halt the country's nuclear ambitions, and on Tuesday the Treasury Department froze the assets of affiliates of Iran's influential Revolutionary Guard Corps.
Iranian security forces stand guard as pro-government demonstrators hold a rally to mark the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Tehran on Thursday.
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Iranian security forces stand guard as pro-government demonstrators hold a rally to mark the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Tehran on Thursday.

Ahmadinejad warned the U.S. and the West to stop meddling in its affairs, claiming its nuclear program was entirely peaceful. "When we say we do not manufacture the bomb, we mean it, and we do not believe in manufacturing a bomb," he told the crowd. "If we wanted to manufacture a bomb, we would announce it."

Iran's Islamic regime had hoped to use the Revolution Day celebrations to show the world that it still had the people's popular support, as repeated demonstrations from the opposition "green movement" -- which claim Ahmadinejad was fraudulently re-elected in June -- have shaken the government's claims of legitimacy.

In the run-up to the anniversary, the Revolutionary Guards and police attempted to scare opposition members out of staging Revolution Day protests by warning they would forcefully crack down on any demonstrations. "If anyone wants to disrupt this glorious ceremony, they will be confronted by people, and we too are fully prepared," police chief Esmail Ahmadi Moghaddam told the official Fars news agency on Wednesday, noting that some would-be protesters had already been rounded up. The same day, the judiciary also sent a strong message to the opposition by sentencing one protester to death and eight to prison for participating in demonstrations in December.

However, according to opposition Web site Rahesabz.net, many green movement members ignored these threats and overcame the security lockdown to stage a "very large" rally at Sadeghieh Square, about half a mile west of Azadi Square. Staging a protest on Revolution Day is a statement from the opposition, as one of their leaders -- former Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi, who lost the June election -- declared earlier this month that the 1979 revolution had failed as the "roots of tyranny and dictatorship" still exist in Iran.

Hossein Karroubi, the son of opposition leader Mehdi Karroubi, told the AFP that these pro-democracy demonstrators were attacked by policemen and plainclothes security officers wielding knives and shooting tear gas grenades. He added that cars containing his father and another leading opposition figure, former President Mohammad Khatami, had had their windows smashed by regime supporters, on their way to Sadeghieh Square. Hossein said his father was "not injured, but his guards who were accompanying him were."

Rahesabz.net also reported that Khatami's brother Mohammad Reza and his wife, Zahra Eshraghi, were briefly arrested but later released.

The world is a fucked up place.

SUPERSTAR
02-11-2010, 10:57 AM
I hate to think of this stuff but it's real.

You got it right, this world is a fucked up place. Over populated, destroying it all. Sad, just sad.

rc1honda
02-11-2010, 11:30 AM
Yeah it a very fine line we are dealing with. On one side who are we to tell them that cannot use nuclear power. After all it's a clean, cheap and effecive source of power.

On the other hand i believe Pres. Ahmadinejad has stated publicly that he would like to blow Isreal off the map.

So i can see why the UN has it's doubts about Iran's intentions. Only time will tell. But one think i think is that if a nuclear holocaust were to happen in our time, it would be these religious fanatic morons who would be the cause of it.

fckillerbee
02-11-2010, 11:32 AM
oh man...what a nightmare.

I LUV MY S13
02-11-2010, 11:32 AM
is Iran using nuclear fission or fusion within their atoms energy?

I hate to think of this stuff but it's real.

You got it right, this world is a fucked up place. Over populated, destroying it all. Sad, just sad.

planet earth is better off without the human race

I LUV MY S13
02-11-2010, 11:36 AM
nevermind they're "not making bombs"

fckillerbee
02-11-2010, 11:39 AM
nevermind they're "not making bombs"

read it again....and then look up "iran attack on israel" Iran said they are going to wipe israel off the map......I don't think power is what they are trying to achieve.

drift freaq
02-11-2010, 11:49 AM
is Iran using nuclear fission or fusion within their atoms energy?



planet earth is better off without the human race

Most likely they would have an Atomic bomb vs a Hydrogen bomb. Now until other sources verify this guys claims. I would not freak out. Fact is Iran is in a state of flux politically. The President of Iran shut down all outside access to the Internet the other to keep dissidents and protesters from disrupting their holiday.
Arab world news sources tend to broadcast what the particular goverment wants them to. Not the truth. Ya all you fucks who cry about censorship biased or filtered news here have no idea.

Remember this guy pretty much pulled a coup in the last election. I would predict that Iran is headed towards another revolution. The Iranians are not the Iraqis. If they don't agree with their government they overthrow it.


Oh and for all you fucks worried about armageddon? If it happens it happens not much we can do to change that except live each day like its your last.

I LUV MY S13
02-11-2010, 11:50 AM
yeah i know the quotations were to show there claim is BS..like sarcasm

anyways we'll just have to see where this goes, but if they do set off a bomb what next?

drift freaq
02-11-2010, 12:01 PM
yeah i know the quotations were to show there claim is BS..like sarcasm

anyways we'll just have to see where this goes, but if they do set off a bomb what next?


If they test fired a bomb? Its hard to say I mean look at India and Pakistan. Those guys have the potential to nuke each other off the face of the planet. So far they have been more stable in their relations since they came to this point.

Interesting Political fact about the cold war. It has been the longest time in history that there has not been a conflict between major world powers. Seriously study history and you will find most major world powers got into major conflicts in less than 50 years . No matter how long the actual regimes lasted.
While there have been minor wars in small countries that major powers may have indirectly or directly had some action in there has not been a major power conflict in over 50 years. Dare I say it. People think twice when it comes to nukes and possible lack of existence after use of them.

Except The Arabs and the Israeli, I would say they would be the most likely candidates for wiping themselves out.

I would say that if they so much as fired a bomb at Israel. Israel would nuke Iran. Israel has had a bomb for quite awhile. The question is how much fallout? How would this effect world oil supplies etc....

tricky_ab
02-11-2010, 12:09 PM
Oh Ahmadinejad, you so crazy...

I LUV MY S13
02-11-2010, 12:22 PM
If they test fired a bomb? Its hard to say I mean look at India and Pakistan. Those guys have the potential to nuke each other off the face of the planet. So far they have been more stable in their relations since they came to this point.

Interesting Political fact about the cold war. It has been the longest time in history that there has not been a conflict between major world powers. Seriously study history and you will find most major world powers got into major conflicts in less than 50 years . No matter how long the actual regimes lasted.
While there have been minor wars in small countries that major powers may have indirectly or directly had some action in there has not been a major power conflict in over 50 years. Dare I say it. People think twice when it comes to nukes and possible lack of existence after use of them.

Except The Arabs and the Israeli, I would say they would be the most likely candidates for wiping themselves out.

I would say that if they so much as fired a bomb at Israel. Israel would nuke Iran. Israel has had a bomb for quite awhile. The question is how much fallout? How would this effect world oil supplies etc....

yeah im finishing up the cold war in global studies next week.. =/

but that is actually a very good point...oil

but as far as there not being a conflict in over 50 yrs, what do you mean exactly? cold war ended in 89 which was 21yrs ago

ESmorz
02-11-2010, 12:35 PM
yeah im finishing up the cold war in global studies next week.. =/

but that is actually a very good point...oil

but as far as there not being a conflict in over 50 yrs, what do you mean exactly? cold war ended in 89 which was 21yrs ago

It only thawed.

We're entering another frost.

drift freaq
02-11-2010, 12:43 PM
yeah im finishing up the cold war in global studies next week.. =/

but that is actually a very good point...oil

but as far as there not being a conflict in over 50 yrs, what do you mean exactly? cold war ended in 89 which was 21yrs ago

Ya but you are missing the point. The cold war terminology wise and reality wise was brought about by the rise of Nuclear capability. Once the major world powers achieved Nuclear capability that is when the cold war started. It was called a cold war vs a hot war or real war because of the effect of mutually assured mass destruction. I.E. you nuke me I am going to nuke you.

I would hazard to say if Nuclear weaponry had not been developed we may not be the country we are today.

In other words we might have gone to war with Russia and or China. The effect of this has made the world realize that a major war between super powers would destroy us.

Now I have said this before and I will say it again. The thing that scares me more in this world is terrorists and very small countries run by crazies who think they have nothing to lose. I.E. North Korea, most of the middle east etc..


The major western and eastern countries understand Nuclear war or use stands for destruction, of most likely everything. This happened because of the cold war. A war of words and one up man ship on a international level. Yes we spent the Soviet Union into capitulation over fears of more advanced weaponry. Fact is Nukes created this.


Oh and the cold war really only ended in a Political sense. Fact is Russia still has weapons, China still has weapons and we still have them pointed at each other. Just not at the levels that were maintained during the cold war. Oh and while we may be more relaxed about it the menace is still there. It still affects the way major countries look at stuff as well.

Plus at this point in time countries like China have realized that on a economic point they need us to consume their products as much as we need them to make shit cheap. Not ideal but a reality. Economically what the recent Economic recession has shown the world, is that the world needs to work and trade together more economically than any time before in history.

ronmcdon
02-11-2010, 12:51 PM
yeah im finishing up the cold war in global studies next week.. =/

but that is actually a very good point...oil

but as far as there not being a conflict in over 50 yrs, what do you mean exactly? cold war ended in 89 which was 21yrs ago

yeah I'm also puzzled here.
why the cut-off point in 1960?
Maybe Korean war?

Cold war is surely valid.
Vietnam was probably a lot worse than Korea.

About Iran.
Yeah Amajahdeen (sp?) & the Supreme Leader claim they'll use the uranium enrichment for nuclear power.
It's actually valid for any other country.
But, we're talking about leaders who don't appear to have much sanity & a gov't that as of recent has it's stability in question.

Even a nuclear power plant might be not such a wonderful idea.

I LUV MY S13
02-11-2010, 01:00 PM
well many countries just want their place in the sun..

reason why germany rose more than what it needed in 1939, same with japan...and reason why other countries began developing WMD..china, soviet, italy, etc

but these guys have other issues to take care of, properly establishing their govn for example

ronmcdon
02-11-2010, 01:58 PM
If they want to improve, they need to oust that 'supreme leader' Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
It's religious fundamentalism that's holding Iran back.

drift freaq
02-11-2010, 03:08 PM
well many countries just want their place in the sun..

reason why germany rose more than what it needed in 1939, same with japan...and reason why other countries began developing WMD..china, soviet, italy, etc

but these guys have other issues to take care of, properly establishing their govn for example
ah some poor examples here. Germany did not rise in the 30's because it wanted its place in the sun. It was not quite that simple. You had a country that was in economic ruin. A loaf of bread cost a wheel barrel of cash. It was the perfect situation for a thug tryant dictator to seize power. The rise was due to Hilters on desires and his ability to instill people through his amazing oratorical powers.

Italy? LOL do not make me laugh Mussolini was minor league. Their were never a big deal. Now if you want to talk about the Roman Empire that is a whole other thing. LOL. We are discussing modern history though.

Japan was driven by its military and also trade issues. Japan has always felt it was a true leader of Asia as China has felt it is the original leader of Asia. LOL

The Soviet Union again was about its dictators. It was a totalitarian state. A small handful of people controlling all.


Oh and WMD's well Italy does not really fall into the club besides being a member of Nato. China, Russia and the U.S. were the primaries with smaller countries coming in later. Plus it was not so much of place in the Sun as it was I want to feel safe. They have it I need it situation.

If they want to improve, they need to oust that 'supreme leader' Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
It's religious fundamentalism that's holding Iran back.

I would tend to agree with this.


Oh and this which I just caught on the news the President of Iran did say they had near weapons grade uranium. It sounds like boasting to me.

I would also bet if they did get close to a bomb Israel would take it out. Israel has done this before with other countries around them.

Oh and the protests are kicking up again. LOL

Gnnr
02-11-2010, 04:29 PM
drift freq,

You can see this article about their level of nuclear technology.

IAEA suggests Iran's new enrichment modest - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100211/ap_on_re_eu/iran_nuclear;_ylt=Ai8C9lU1qlA8CV4z3Bke355vaA8F;_yl u=X3oDMTJkbWsydWFiBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMjExL2lyYW5f bnVjbGVhcgRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQ RzbGsDaWFlYXN1Z2dlc3Rz)

They have enough to build one nuclear warhead if they desire. They have not hit fission (sp?) yet. When that happens I expect the doomsday clock to move 1 to 2 clicks towards midnight.

I'm on the same page with you. I don't know who is crazier N. Korea or middle eastern countries. Iran, they may do it for religious reason, but fuck, N. Korea will blow up the world just because...in cold blood. But as I've been following that one things are heading in the right direction and they have taken steps for negotiations again.

I hope that they do overthrow that government. What makes me think that this can happen is the very young population that they have there. A quick Google brings up:

Age Group
Iran has the youngest population in the world. Over 40 percent of the population is below the age of 15 while some 4.37 percent are above 65. The remaining portion, that is 55.62 percent of the population, is aged 15 to 65. A further breakdown reveals that some 19.44 percent of the population is aged 15 to 24 and some 32.79 percent is aged 25 to 46.

But they need to act quick before something like this scenario happens

War games with Iran amFIX - CNN.com Blogs (http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/11/war-games-with-iran/)

NismoDriverS13
02-11-2010, 04:56 PM
it's crazy u guys dont know this by now. government level/ or a dictator, president, or the man of the clan! its all the same shit really. we work for the government and make them money that they spend not to help us live, but to make us die!

we are universal cattle and the leaders of our countries are playing real world Monopoly and Risk! they can declare wars, kill innocent and still make them selves look like legitimate rulers! I mean, thats what Hitler did and everyone loved him....till this day we have Nazi douches out there.

from year 2000 everything started to fall apart. Economy, wars, politics, etc., and it's only gonna get worse.

but i know for sure, those of the holy land (Israel, Afghan, Iran, Iraq) will fight for the land till death. The Arab and Jewish war started 2000 years ago! and they are still antsy-pantsy over who gets that part of land. so i have little doubt on having them launch a nuke at each other in the future.

nyc240sx
02-11-2010, 06:00 PM
u better watch your mouth with what you say

it's crazy u guys dont know this by now. government level/ or a dictator, president, or the man of the clan! its all the same shit really. we work for the government and make them money that they spend not to help us live, but to make us die!

we are universal cattle and the leaders of our countries are playing real world Monopoly and Risk! they can declare wars, kill innocent and still make them selves look like legitimate rulers! I mean, thats what Hitler did and everyone loved him....till this day we have Nazi douches out there.

from year 2000 everything started to fall apart. Economy, wars, politics, etc., and it's only gonna get worse.

but i know for sure, those of the holy land (Israel, Afghan, Iran, Iraq) will fight for the land till death. The Arab and Jewish war started 2000 years ago! and they are still antsy-pantsy over who gets that part of land. so i have little doubt on having them launch a nuke at each other in the future.

drift freaq
02-11-2010, 11:34 PM
it's crazy u guys dont know this by now. government level/ or a dictator, president, or the man of the clan! its all the same shit really. we work for the government and make them money that they spend not to help us live, but to make us die!

we are universal cattle and the leaders of our countries are playing real world Monopoly and Risk! they can declare wars, kill innocent and still make them selves look like legitimate rulers! I mean, thats what Hitler did and everyone loved him....till this day we have Nazi douches out there.

from year 2000 everything started to fall apart. Economy, wars, politics, etc., and it's only gonna get worse.

but i know for sure, those of the holy land (Israel, Afghan, Iran, Iraq) will fight for the land till death. The Arab and Jewish war started 2000 years ago! and they are still antsy-pantsy over who gets that part of land. so i have little doubt on having them launch a nuke at each other in the future.

Wow just wow. We are having a intelligent discussion that combines topic of modern history and real world happenings and you come in your with your ignorant conspiracy theory bullshit.

I guess it sucks to be you thinking the boogey man is everywhere. LOL

I suggest you shut the fuck up and taking your ignorant uneducated internet bullshit away from here.

I LUV MY S13
02-11-2010, 11:41 PM
ah some poor examples here. Germany did not rise in the 30's because it wanted its place in the sun. It was not quite that simple. You had a country that was in economic ruin. A loaf of bread cost a wheel barrel of cash. It was the perfect situation for a thug tryant dictator to seize power. The rise was due to Hilters on desires and his ability to instill people through his amazing oratorical powers.

Italy? LOL do not make me laugh Mussolini was minor league. Their were never a big deal. Now if you want to talk about the Roman Empire that is a whole other thing. LOL. We are discussing modern history though.

Japan was driven by its military and also trade issues. Japan has always felt it was a true leader of Asia as China has felt it is the original leader of Asia. LOL

The Soviet Union again was about its dictators. It was a totalitarian state. A small handful of people controlling all.


Oh and WMD's well Italy does not really fall into the club besides being a member of Nato. China, Russia and the U.S. were the primaries with smaller countries coming in later. Plus it was not so much of place in the Sun as it was I want to feel safe. They have it I need it situation.



I would tend to agree with this.


Oh and this which I just caught on the news the President of Iran did say they had near weapons grade uranium. It sounds like boasting to me.

I would also bet if they did get close to a bomb Israel would take it out. Israel has done this before with other countries around them.

Oh and the protests are kicking up again. LOL


when i say they want there place in the sun, i mean that they want to be considered a superpower country, i mean who doesnt..no country ever wants to be considered inferior to the rest of the world, i highly doubt china would ever admit that we are more superior than they are..

anyways germany was a pretty good example because throughout the 30s he brought germany out of the gutter, to have their place in the sun, or no longer be considered trash...and in doing that the anschluss and sudetenland was a part of there plan, being part of the appeasement plan britain had allowed it..the reason i said 39 was because that year germany had taken over poland causing france and britain to declare war against them..

japan decided to do the same thing and become recognized by their "plan for asia"...the US eventually stops supplying them resources, japan then attacks to control the pacific thinking they're were superior

italy, well with musolini certainly tried..as far as WMD i was under the assumption they had obtained it..

you were definitely right when saying,"they have it i need it"..but why? to avoid inferiority

now many of these countries clearly never made it, but i just dont think a country would not want to be considered among the superpowers on this planet...sure theres more to it as far as economics, but this is about warfare..

TheWolf
02-12-2010, 05:57 AM
The real nut of the question is that is iran using gen1 style or gen 2 style enrichment centrifuges. A gen 1 style is similar in design and tolerances to a roots style blower for a car except the uranium phosphate eats the aluminum housing.

A gen 2 takes a whole different industrial infrastructure.

I don't know why they're so excited about this. Look what this did for india and pakistan. Not a damn thing. neither nation is "safer". I predict this doesn't pan out and it's more saber rattling.

fliprayzin240sx
02-13-2010, 12:48 AM
What we need to do is back the fuck off Iran. What do you think will happen when we keep pushing them into a corner? We keep shoving and pushing them around ever since the Revolution. We've been supporting Israel, supported Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war, turned all the GCC countries against Iran after the first Gulf War, now we have permanent bases surrounding Iran in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

The irony, we pumped Iraq with weapons in the 80s to fight Iran...now they are supporting the insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan with training, high explosives and formed IEDs to kill us out there. Payback can be a bitch sometimes...

EDacIouSX
02-13-2010, 12:57 AM
What we need to do is back the fuck off Iran. What do you think will happen when we keep pushing them into a corner? We keep shoving and pushing them around ever since the Revolution. We've been supporting Israel, supported Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war, turned all the GCC countries against Iran after the first Gulf War, now we have permanent bases surrounding Iran in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

The irony, we pumped Iraq with weapons in the 80s to fight Iran...now they are supporting the insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan with training, high explosives and formed IEDs to kill us out there. Payback can be a bitch sometimes...


i say we flatten the place! let me push the red buttons.

fckillerbee
02-13-2010, 10:38 AM
i say we flatten the place! let me push the red buttons.


ahhh....wouldn't it be so easy... god has done it before. lol

ESmorz
02-13-2010, 04:53 PM
i say we flatten the place! let me push the red buttons.

I'm sure the neighboring states which we get most of our oil from would love some fallout for breakfast.

jamg
02-13-2010, 05:33 PM
WW III later this year

(not srs)

Matej
02-13-2010, 06:14 PM
Iran.

Iran so far away.
I just ran.
Iran all night and day.

I couldn't get away.

drift freaq
02-14-2010, 01:13 AM
Iran.

Iran so far away.
I just ran.
Iran all night and day.

I couldn't get away.

lol you could just not resist could you? LOL props on this one.

Mikey213
02-14-2010, 06:42 PM
What happens to an engine with no oil?

BustedS13
02-15-2010, 02:56 AM
I'm glad to live in America. I feel very secure behind our military. we're like that gated community on the golf course, where you can't drive through without security following you.

fckillerbee
02-16-2010, 03:16 PM
I'm glad to live in America. I feel very secure behind our military. we're like that gated community on the golf course, where you can't drive through without security following you.

hmmm....like 9/11 never happened?