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FullRaceGeoff
02-04-2010, 07:31 PM
EDIT: 2 good vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbVCuz94QY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr3avR2vyZ8

Hello fellow nissan fanatics, I have decided to turn my R14 (GTR-based S14) into a time-attack machine for the big modified tuner shootout race event coming up. it will go back to occasional street car duty afterwards (its too much fun not to drive on the street), but first and foremost I am working hard to make the car competitive for the event. We got 2nd place the last 2 years in heavily modified street subarus and we dont want to give that up. A street subaru wont get us 2nd this year - there will be a UMS's sickass evo 8, a dedicated track porsche 911 twin turbo awd as well as the sierra sierra cosworth evo and tarzan is driving crawford's STI so we have to be on top of our game to do well. We have 10 weeks before the event. The chassis and engine are VERY solid and have plenty of time on them with no problems. Our driver is Mike Speck - an ace behind the wheel and knows this track extraordinarily well. I am getting a set of motons, and they will be used only for the track with the aero package on the car (will switch out to my koni 28 series for the street).

Specs are:

full roll cage, proper bracing in the right spots
r34 gtr brembos front and rear, raybestos motorsport pads, brake ducting
R32GTR front suspension, caster changed to 7degrees through custom upper control arm mounts. Stock swaybar, Stock Upper Arms, Stock lower arms, Stock tierods, Quaife Front LSD, urethane swaybar bushings
R33GTR rear suspension, full adjustable links, R32GTR stock swaybar, nismo LSD
Tires are Hoosier A6 (Autocross compound for time attack) and BFG R1 (enduro + lapping) 275/35 on a 18x10.5
Torque Split is running fixed with 40-55-60psi in the transfer case (ATTESSA eliminated) depending on preference and tires/track condition
its a built motor, borg warner airwerks twinscroll turbo, expecting 680-700hp on E85 (e85 helps response and spool), good oiling system and cooling is getting improved right now

here are some pics of the engine setup while i was daily driving it (engine/turbo will remain unchanged) and the twinscroll borg warner S300SX 88-75 turbo, with 90 degree compressor housing.

http://full-race.com/prototype2/subaru/modified09/r14morning2.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype2/subaru/modified09/r14dyno4.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype2/subaru/modified09/r14dyno2.jpg -- pump gas dyno at 19psi. e85 tune will be at 30 psi and will generate much more area-under-the-curve

some pics of the changes were making now:

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs136.snc3/18359_298561071128_575236128_3982373_8329854_n.jpg
^^new vmount, improved radiator airflow

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs156.snc3/18359_301128121128_575236128_3991576_419994_n.jpg
^^modified R32 GTR spindles to accept the 1/2" heims on the motons AND dropped the toe link 30mm to adjust for bumpsteer. will finish machining this weekend

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs156.snc3/18359_298561631128_575236128_3982375_4203373_n.jpg
^^surge tank with dual 044s, to run 100psi base fuel pressure on E85

thanks for reading, ill try and update this again when were making progress

jspaeth
02-04-2010, 07:51 PM
This thing is gonna be retarded!!!!!!!!!!

350 ft-lbs+ of torque from 4500-8000 in a 4 wheel drive 2700 lb car.

This should be insane, I wish I could watch in person.

96Turbo
02-04-2010, 08:11 PM
WOW, ridiculous! Looks pretty perfect

Could you elaborate on how you control the torque split manually? You just regulate oil pressure to the transfer case or somethin?

Good luck in the time attack. Looks like the competition is pretty tough but i'm rooting for ya!

RB24_S14
02-04-2010, 11:14 PM
holy shit. that is a monster!

MikeisNissan
02-04-2010, 11:19 PM
couldnt you atleast get some glass headlights? anyway badass car!

sickstatus
02-04-2010, 11:20 PM
beast!!!!!

RPS13-604
02-05-2010, 12:08 AM
u guys never released pricing for the s13 awd swap? im expecting it to be in the 13,000 range?

FullRaceGeoff
02-05-2010, 08:55 AM
u guys never released pricing for the s13 awd swap? im expecting it to be in the 13,000 range?

we will not be offering an R13 conversion kit anytime soon. HOWEVER - the main reason we are entering this race, to debut our DIY R14 kit in the magazine. In a few months we will be releasing a DIY-R14 kit that any skilled and competent mechanic with a 220V MIG can install. The price is going to be much lower than previous (please dont call the sales office bc they know nothing about this).

this conversion does not work in the S13 chassis nearly as well as S14.

This thing is gonna be retarded!!!!!!!!!! 350 ft-lbs+ of torque from 4500-8000 in a 4 wheel drive 2700 lb car. This should be insane, I wish I could watch in person.

To be fair, she weighs 2950lb, the RB26 is a huge bitch! However well be making much more than 350lb-ft in race mode so it will be exciting to watch. Just ordered (4) go pro HD cameras to get some good footy

Could you elaborate on how you control the torque split manually? You just regulate oil pressure to the transfer case or somethin?Good luck in the time attack. Looks like the competition is pretty tough but i'm rooting for ya!

torque split in these cars is pretty simple, just variable pressure on a wet multi-plate clutch (just like inside an automatic transmission) so all you need to do is have a regulated control of hydraulic pressure on that wet clutch and thats what we developed our electronic attessa eliminator. im working on a complete install and FAQ for a total revampe of our R14 website and all this will be answered with pics and in depth info

couldnt you atleast get some glass headlights? anyway badass car!

glass headlights are heavier. the only thing the headlights will change to is s14a or s15

holy shit. that is a monster!
beast!!!!!

thanks guys!!

mr_eh
02-05-2010, 09:14 AM
shazam, good luck with it, think it'll make it to the east coast this season?

S14Serge
02-05-2010, 08:45 PM
Dam ive been following this car since it was featured in Modified! Dam what hard work you have invested in that car, and it show's big time! Good luck on all the exposure it will be getting in the shoot out.

02-05-2010, 09:00 PM
seriously.....now that's how you build a car!!! Props to you guys at Full Race and good luck this year!!!

Scott

FullRaceGeoff
02-05-2010, 09:04 PM
thanks guys, just spent all day welding some fender braces in (cage does not pierce the firewall) and working on the fuel system and belly pan. one of the gangster fabricators at Full-Race made some siiiick RUCAs, ill post pics up tomorrow, maybe some pics of the belly pan and jack points too

it might make it out to the east coast this summer, if not this one definitely next summer

02-05-2010, 09:09 PM
Will we be seeing it at the Redline Time Attacks this year???

I'm currently selling my Street Class STi and will be building an S14 next! It's enlightening to see what you all have done with it!

Scott

FullRaceGeoff
02-05-2010, 09:24 PM
to be honest this is my fun street car, not really meant to be a competitive time attack machine. If we decide to compete in redline, i have (2) s14 shells that we will choose between for another R14... although what class would we be in? I really dont follow the rulebook, just build my cars how i want

Erjay1
02-05-2010, 09:36 PM
Wow, just wow. Your car is just absolutely beautiful. I love the paint, wheels, engine,......everything! Goodluck, Im sure this beast will come thru for you.

FullRaceGeoff
02-08-2010, 09:30 PM
thank you erjay, we just finished up sealing up the flat bottom from frame rails to side skirts, next up is the rear bumper diffuser and then the adjustable front carbon kevlar splitter..

z2roll4life7
02-08-2010, 09:57 PM
This Car is So Sick I Remember seeing this in modified mag it was (and still is) The Best 240 ive ever Seen I cant wait for a Kit to Go on Sale ill work 100hours a week to Build a car like this You Guy's are inspiration Plain and Simple Keep up the Good Work

blackej7
02-08-2010, 11:47 PM
very interested in this, more pictures please!

FullRaceGeoff
02-10-2010, 10:30 AM
been working on the car some more and will take some pics this weekend. here are some random ones to keep the thread alive

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/RUCA1.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/RUCA2.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/RUCA3.jpg
^^^my kind of RUCA, plenty of strut clearance, easy to get replacement heims for, and it cost $50 in parts

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/motonHeims.jpg
^^how the heim will sit inside of the welded spindle I posted last time

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/fenderbrace%20welded.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/fenderbrace%20welded2.jpg
^^^welded the fender braces to the sheet metal, these can make a difference if the cage doesnt pierce the firewall - but only if they are welded in.

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/jackpoints.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/jackpoints2.jpg
^^its a huge hassle to jack a 240 with big sideskirts + i needed some stiff mounts for the bellypan aero - so we made these jackpoints/bellypan mounts

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/belly1.jpg
^^^sealed up the area from frame rail to skirts, and put a little dynamat in there to keep things quiet. will finish the center and f/r in 2 weekends.

more random pics:

http://full-race.com/prototype/forsale/r34-r14.jpg

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/DSC_0135%20copy%20copy.jpg

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/DSC_0113%20copy%20copy.jpg

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/DSC_0110%20copy%20copy.jpg

turbo2nr
02-10-2010, 10:41 AM
omfg so much win!

i hope you guys win, about time the s-chassis got some recognition all these damm evo/sti taking all the glory. this car is gona be epic.

i love your choice of bw turbo btw.

cant wait to see the final outcome!

p.s. kouki conversion kouki>zenki!

juve_240sx
02-10-2010, 10:49 AM
beautiful s14 and also the skyline

FullRaceGeoff
02-10-2010, 11:57 AM
thanks for the props, so what headlights do you guys wanna see kouki or s15? it will probabbly happen right after the race

reccakun08
02-10-2010, 12:09 PM
kouki front end is hot but i like the car the way it sits now.

Flicktitty
02-10-2010, 12:12 PM
that thing is awesome!

PoorMans180SX
02-10-2010, 12:33 PM
Keep it Zenki or go Kouki. S15 front doesn't belong on an S14.

FullRaceGeoff
02-10-2010, 12:35 PM
yes but s15 is the most aerodynamic...

turbo2nr
02-10-2010, 12:58 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2367913319_3bda2cbc64.jpg

do it now! kouki ftw!

FullRaceGeoff
02-10-2010, 01:03 PM
i LOVE that car... just cant get used to the rear bumper lol although its straight up nascar:

http://z.about.com/d/nascar/1/0/i/A/DodgeAvengerStudio2.jpg

turbo2nr
02-10-2010, 01:11 PM
http://www.uras.co.jp/2008image/s14a_gt_rr1l.jpg

dont mean to clutter your thead with pics but i think this rear aero would go well with the overall look of that red s14..

your right way to nascar-ish as is lol

edit: wait its the same rear bumper as the red kouki with the diffuser add on nice !

PoorMans180SX
02-10-2010, 01:28 PM
yes but s15 is the most aerodynamic...

Yes, but it's still an S14. The front isn't going to change the aerodynamic properties a whole lot and it looks ugly.

spooled240
02-10-2010, 01:54 PM
To be fair, she weighs 2950lb, the RB26 is a huge bitch! However well be making much more than 350lb-ft in race mode so it will be exciting to watch. Just ordered (4) go pro HD cameras to get some good footy

this car only weighs 3000 lbs with the RB26 and the AWD? thats still light!

1995240sxfulybuilt
02-10-2010, 02:02 PM
http://www.uras.co.jp/2008image/s14a_gt_rr1l.jpg

dont mean to clutter your thead with pics but i think this rear aero would go well with the overall look of that red s14..

your right way to nascar-ish as is lol

edit: wait its the same rear bumper as the red kouki with the diffuser add on nice !
Do you know what type of wing that is?

longfellow
02-10-2010, 03:09 PM
URAS GT wing.

Awesome build!

FullRaceGeoff
02-10-2010, 05:17 PM
The front isn't going to change the aerodynamic properties a whole lot

disagree.. you would be surprised what happens inside a wind tunnel

S14Serge
02-10-2010, 06:17 PM
Na man the car looks so clean the way it is now keep it a Zenki:snoop:

FullRaceGeoff
02-15-2010, 01:18 PM
rear subframe still needs 2 more tubes and some bushings, im praying to the gods i can get some sphericals from DEF.

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/R14rearsubframe2.jpg

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/R14rearsubframe1.jpg

PoorMans180SX
02-15-2010, 01:52 PM
Mind if I steal those pics to use in my roll center thread?

Looks beefy as heck!

FullRaceGeoff
02-15-2010, 02:09 PM
link me to it, ill post them up! btw any ideas where i can find spherical bearings for the uprights?

longfellow
02-15-2010, 02:13 PM
SPLparts.com
or
Skullworks/Def

FullRaceGeoff
02-15-2010, 02:18 PM
how can i get in touch with Def? i tried PMing him, no response. anyone have a phone number?

longfellow
02-15-2010, 02:21 PM
PM Manonegro or Tower240sx.

FullRaceGeoff
02-15-2010, 02:26 PM
The following errors occurred with your submission:

1. The following users were not found:
1. Manonegro
2. Tower240sx

fail :( do they have different names on this site?

longfellow
02-15-2010, 02:30 PM
http://zilvia.net/f/members/manonegra.html

FullRaceGeoff
02-15-2010, 02:33 PM
manonegra ... not manonegro got it thanks

OBEEWON
02-15-2010, 03:25 PM
Keep it Zenki.

I want to know the drag co-efficient difference between the three. So far Im not a believer there's a huge difference unless its in the bumper inlets! I could be wrong though.

FullRaceGeoff
02-15-2010, 08:47 PM
gussetted the LCAs + put new balljoints in:

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/R14LCAs.jpg

the real fun comes tomorrow... starting on the vmount

93nismo
02-15-2010, 09:22 PM
its like playing forza... but its real. bitchin. keep it Zenki

omgRWDgoodness!
02-15-2010, 10:39 PM
Man, I bet that thing eats babies.
I wish I had one to tear some of these muscle fags around here a new asshole.

Bumnah
02-15-2010, 11:31 PM
Beautiful car sir!

irritatedmax
02-15-2010, 11:47 PM
Zenki must stay!

What ball joints did you use? S14's use same part number front and rear?

And, that is your blue R34, correct? Saw it at the shop about a year ago, and it was AWESOME!

0100
02-16-2010, 12:25 AM
ZENKI FOR LIFE!

Good luck Geoff, I am rooting for you. By far my favorite car in the bunch.

Some heavy competition, but either way the car is badass and unique!

Built evo, sti, 911... yawn

civicsi2
02-16-2010, 12:36 AM
sick but your on the wrong website. real cars go to NRR.

FullRaceGeoff
02-16-2010, 11:51 AM
s14 rear balljoints are the same as s14 front balljoints btw

ill get on NRR later today, thanks everyone!!

FullRaceGeoff
02-16-2010, 11:59 AM
2fast240us ftmfw!!!!!!!! scored some spherical upright bearings, thank you thank you thank you

teamsprock
02-16-2010, 12:17 PM
Geoff the car is looking great. I can't wait to see the rest of the progress. Too bad we aren't closer I'd trade you my Origin S15 front as I'd love to go back to a Zenki front.

-Jason-

PoorMans180SX
02-16-2010, 12:22 PM
Here's the roll center thread. A lot of good talk in here.

http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/296725-roll-center-suspension-pickup-steering-angle-modification-thread.html

ManoNegra
02-16-2010, 09:31 PM
Glad you were able to get the bearings
I don't come to this sub-forum much which is why I wasn't aware of this build
as always, very nice builds
curious, did you modify the pick up points on the subframe, or just reinforced them?

and please, go kouki or keep it zenki

-Juan

RB26TOMMY
02-20-2010, 08:31 AM
updates updates =)

S14Serge
02-20-2010, 09:22 AM
Im surprised on how many people have agreed to keep it Zenki, and if a change must happen to kouki!

thetopcow
02-20-2010, 08:12 PM
Stay Zenki, be unique. Like S14Serge said, if you must change go Kouki. S15 fronts look wrong on S14s.

FullRaceGeoff
02-22-2010, 01:42 PM
here are a few more from last week

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/r-LCA1.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/r-LCA2.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/r-LCA3.jpg
^^^eliminated the bushing, spherical bearings everywhere!

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/shockmt-lower.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/shockmt-lower2.jpg
^^^aluminum knuckle, modified lower shock mount and toe link mount

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/shockmt-upper.jpg
^^^upper shock mounts

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/subframe2.jpg


I just pulled 2.5 days of straight fabrication with YouTube- Test Footage - Paper Planes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1z1moIp8R0) we got the vmount and entire front end really dialed, its unreal im sooo pumped on it... can not post pics until completed. you guys will love it, especially with the bumper cover off :devil:

FullRaceGeoff
02-25-2010, 12:33 AM
so i just got the entire rear subframe finished, SPL aluminum bushings + RUCAs, adj tractionrods and toe rods, and the knuckles posted above. Skullworks sphericals in the uprights - not a single bushing in the entire rear susp.

I really wanted to post it up on NRR New S14 bumpsteer graphs - Page 5 - Nissan Road Racing Forums (http://www.nissanroadracing.com/showthread.php?t=1652&page=5) but i am not able to post -- does anyone know a moderator over there that can fix my screen name full-race geoff? thanks

didderson
02-25-2010, 01:42 AM
This build is delicious!
Most of this thread people can only dream about.

veilside180sx
02-25-2010, 12:10 PM
so i just got the entire rear subframe finished, SPL aluminum bushings + RUCAs, adj tractionrods and toe rods, and the knuckles posted above. Skullworks sphericals in the uprights - not a single bushing in the entire rear susp.

I really wanted to post it up on NRR New S14 bumpsteer graphs - Page 5 - Nissan Road Racing Forums (http://www.nissanroadracing.com/showthread.php?t=1652&page=5) but i am not able to post -- does anyone know a moderator over there that can fix my screen name full-race geoff? thanks

Must've never received your activation email, or it typically gets moved to the spam box.

PM sent

Highway Riding
03-03-2010, 12:18 PM
Just saw this on speedhunters... Totally digging this build.. +1 keep up the good work!

MAGAZINE BLOG: MODIFIED>> FULL RACE R14 MODIFIED TUNER SHOOTOUT - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010/03/03/guest-blog-peter-tarach-gt-gt-full-race-r14-modified-tuner-shootout.aspx)

tricky_ab
03-03-2010, 03:18 PM
Good luck with the Modified magazine shootout!

VNG704
03-03-2010, 03:37 PM
ummm, wow. Good stuff here. Thanks for sharing and good luck.

Swerv13
03-03-2010, 07:57 PM
i LOVE that car... just cant get used to the rear bumper lol although its straight up nascar:

http://z.about.com/d/nascar/1/0/i/A/DodgeAvengerStudio2.jpg

you need to understand nascar technology is atleast 10 years behind any other racing tech. the highcut rear bodywork has been used on gt cars for years. please do us all a favor and ignore nascar, let alone even comparing to it. OTHERWISE! keep up the good work and I hope for all the success possible in your car. doin great!

dongoesby
03-03-2010, 09:16 PM
agree with said above, keep it zenki or go kouki, please don't go s15 (front and tail don't match)

kouki would definitely make the stance a lot more aggressive!



if you must, here's a kicker
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/Dongoesby/s14_200sx_1.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/Dongoesby/s14_200sx_5-1.jpg



although i still like Exceed Moat S14 the BEST!!

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/Dongoesby/p5030409_p.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/Dongoesby/one2.jpg

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m148/Dongoesby/2367883703_684494eba0.jpg

2Fass240us
03-03-2010, 09:18 PM
2fast240us ftmfw!!!!!!!! scored some spherical upright bearings, thank you thank you thank youDude, my pleasure. I always like helping other racers. Drifters, on the other hand... :)

If you ever get the urge, I'll take some of those S14 rear lower arms. OK, maybe just some "street cred points" on the board. :D

Best of luck in the shootout,
Andy

codyace
03-03-2010, 09:20 PM
you need to understand nascar technology is atleast 10 years behind any other racing tech. the highcut rear bodywork has been used on gt cars for years. please do us all a favor and ignore nascar, let alone even comparing to it. OTHERWISE! keep up the good work and I hope for all the success possible in your car. doin great!

Um, you do realize Nascar is on the cutting edge of many other technologies riggt? Just because it looks like some random GT (which is a generalzied statement from any racing body) doesn't mean its' the same.

Nascar tech, mostly engine tech, is incredible. 9000 RPM on pushrods, at WOT, for 500 miles...OMG that's nuts. Most stock SR's would explode at 10 miles of WOT lol. The stresses the NASCAR motors absorb and take is darn near equal to the top fuelers of NHRA. Not even F1 comes close. Sure they don't use the 'highest mechanical E' tech out there ,but whats to say that intricate fancy shit is better?

9000+ rpm
700+ hp
big ass bores, shor tstrokes
500 mph of darn near WOT

get back to me when you can design a motor to withstand that kind of abuse.


Cliffs: Just becaus you think its' some redneck junk, doesn't mean it is. There is a BUNCH of tech in those cars.

codyace
03-03-2010, 09:23 PM
agree with said above, keep it zenki or go kouki, please don't go s15 (front and tail don't match)

kouki would definitely make the stance a lot more aggressive!

Just because it looks race, doesn't mean it races well. Just food for thought.




although i still like Exceed Moat S14 the BEST!!


While the 'Exceed Moat' cars are fast, lets also not dimiss their HUGE HP difference over similar powered cars. HP is a huge advantage in this 'league of cars'.

Maximamike
03-03-2010, 11:43 PM
you need to understand nascar technology is atleast 10 years behind any other racing tech. the highcut rear bodywork has been used on gt cars for years. please do us all a favor and ignore nascar, let alone even comparing to it.

:hahano: Are you serious?

dongoesby
03-04-2010, 12:28 AM
Just because it looks race, doesn't mean it races well. Just food for thought.

While the 'Exceed Moat' cars are fast, lets also not dimiss their HUGE HP difference over similar powered cars. HP is a huge advantage in this 'league of cars'.

Cody, please read forward, Geoff is asking opinion for the look previously, nothing else.

codyace
03-04-2010, 01:11 PM
Cody, please read forward, Geoff is asking opinion for the look previously, nothing else.

Wow I totally read that wrong last night, my apologies brother!

jspaeth
03-05-2010, 07:13 AM
Geoff, I may have missed it (I DID read this whole thread), but what engine management will you be running? AEM? PowerFC? Haltech?

Nismoogle
03-05-2010, 01:23 PM
Good to see this monster being put to use! I have been following this build since day one! Good Luck agains Tarzan and the other drivers!!!

S14Serge
03-05-2010, 01:28 PM
We need less talking and MORE pics and updates!!!

FullRaceGeoff
03-05-2010, 01:28 PM
just dynoed on weds, and went to the track yesterday - car is making wayyy too much power doing 4wheel burnouts like its on ice skates. will have a big update with pics and vids coming later today

FullRaceGeoff
03-05-2010, 01:33 PM
good timing serge, posted identical time as me LOL

S14Serge
03-05-2010, 01:35 PM
Lol that's crazy, but can't wait to see these vid's and pics!

longfellow
03-05-2010, 01:53 PM
The stresses the NASCAR motors absorb and take is darn near equal to the top fuelers of NHRA. Not even F1 comes close.

I dont agree with that at all. 19,000 RPM going up and down through the rev range on a 2.4L V8 making 850hp pushing a car that makes more than twice its weight in downforce. You cant even start an F1 motor unless its fed preheated 150* oil. F1 has a 2 motor limit the entire year, NASCAR can rebuild motors every race. So I would think F1 engines are on par in the stress related area.

And I dont think anything comes with in miles to NHRA Top Fuel in terms of engine stress.

On topic, I like those mod'ed RLCA's. I wouldnt mind making some of those my self when I get around to replacing the ball join with a spherical bearing + stud.

FullRaceGeoff
03-10-2010, 07:03 PM
final vmount pics:
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/vmount4.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/vmount3.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/vmount2.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/R14bashbeamvmount.jpg

bubbler tank for vmount:
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/bubbler_overflow2.jpg

rear susp is back under the knife, but shocks are inverted
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/new%20subframe.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/driv_rear_rideht.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/undershot.jpg


on the dyno, 100% RWD:
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/dynopic1.jpg

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/dynopic2.jpg
^^jeff evans tuning


http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/R14-E85-8875-20psi.jpg
^^final 88-75 dyno at 20 psi on E85 - too laggy. will upload a fun dyno vid tonite or tomorrow

theres 4 weeks left and TONS of work to do still, will be swapping on a prototype S300 turbo from BW shortly! dont know if ill be able to post much more until after the event, the heat is on and clock is ticking

full update posted here if anyone is interested: http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/482746-full-race-r14-gt-2010-modified-tuner-shootout

ZilviaKid
03-10-2010, 07:27 PM
oh gooood.

you cant stop the updates!

i love this car too much, i even made a forza clone!

maxlineGTR
03-10-2010, 07:38 PM
you guys are too innovative....haha...sick as hell....

FullRaceGeoff
03-10-2010, 07:43 PM
zilviakid - post a pic of the forza R14!

S14Serge
03-10-2010, 07:56 PM
Geoff this thread mutha fu%in delivers!!!!

I couldn't wait for that sick a$$ v-mount setup to be posted up lol

ZilviaKid
03-10-2010, 08:34 PM
zilviakid - post a pic of the forza R14!
its not much to look at lol, and my console is banned so i cant just upload them... :(

onehundredoctane
03-14-2010, 08:15 PM
new setup looks great Geoff! can't wait to see how you guys do!

FullRaceGeoff
03-19-2010, 10:50 AM
just got the manifold and downpipe 2000degree HPC coated, and installing the new prototype turbo today.

i scrapped the old aluminum uprights i had on there, switching the sphericals over to a new pair with entirely stock geometry. Rod lengths are 8.50 and 12.25. toe rod eccentric at the full outboard position (shortest toe rod possible)

cut out the spare tire well and made a complete flat bottom + integrating a diffuser. pics coming soon

Om1kron
03-19-2010, 11:47 AM
are you building ducting for your v-mount setup, as I am curious as to how air is properly going to fly into the intercooler?

and you guys are just ridiculous with the suspension mods, geez.

The bubbler tank... I want that... genius, probably a bitch to install and remove lol.

FullRaceGeoff
03-19-2010, 05:15 PM
tial's new wg - MVR (their new 44mm) was FINALLY released!! expecting to receive them early next week

om1kron - yes ducting is being constructed, will post pics when complete

Om1kron
03-19-2010, 05:25 PM
awesome, I think your v-mount setup makes more sense cooling wise. Something about a super angular radiator just scares the shit out of me.

FullRaceGeoff
03-19-2010, 05:28 PM
this style vmount works extremely well - water temps were cool and rock solid, and iat was identical to my front mount

Silviaoneday
03-19-2010, 05:40 PM
Your style on the v-mount makes more sense to me than original way. Pretty bad ass to see a RB v-mounted!!

kingkilburn
03-19-2010, 05:53 PM
How will forcing all that air under the car effect the aerodynamics of it?

WhiteGLX
03-20-2010, 05:33 PM
All the air that would pass through the FMIC and rad setup before would still go under the car, really shouldnt be any changes at all, and if he puts a splitter on that extends back under the IC it should help stabilize the air under the car a little bit.

MandTPhotography
03-20-2010, 06:05 PM
Subscribed....amazing. Simply amazing.

FullRaceGeoff
03-25-2010, 09:13 PM
as promised - here is the latest update for you guys:

To start this installment, many hardcore car guy know that the best suspension in the world is MOTON. Seriously - nothing else comes close. I researched my options - considered ohlins, bilstein, kw, penske but at the end of the day, none had what i was looking for except Moton. I HATE upgrading parts and only want to buy good suspension once, so i bit the bullet and what showed up was heavenly. The quality of these absolutely exceeded expectation, and im blown away (im a very picky engineer, this doesnt happen often) suspension of this caliber is seriously next level :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown MOTON

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_OMFG.jpg
^^ a total thing of beauty. Moton double adjustables (15 independant bump and rebound settings, blowoff valve system for high speed bump control, huge main piston, remote reservoir compression adjusters mounted on swivel banjo fittings (makes mounting them easy!), and 2.25" spring hardware.

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_front_0.jpg
^^this is the top-secret R14 front suspension ive never shown anyone before. consider yourselves lucky :rotflmao the Motons fit so perfect, its like the motons were just meant to be..

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_front_2.jpg
this is showing the drivers side remote reservoir compression adjuster

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_front_1.jpg
(pass side)

now to the rear --

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_rear_1.jpg
installed (but waiting on the tender springs to arrive)

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/fuelpumpwiring.jpg
reservoir located, you can also see the fuel pump wiring

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_rear_adjuster.jpg
easy to see how the adjusters are mounted facing inwards, easy to access without removing the wheel

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_droop.jpg
tire clearance at full droop

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_bump.jpg
tire clearance at full bump

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/MOTON_rear_9.jpg
both reservoirs mounted, and the wing mount i am building now from 0.035 4130 cromoly

NEW prototype BorgWarner Twinscroll Turbo - dubbed S300'P'
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/S300P_6.jpg
^^^look at the super badass turbine wheel geometry and my favorite feature of all, the vband compressor hsg to CHRA. soooo slick. I am looking to spool 1000rpm quicker and make 700+whp at 30psi boost... this should do it.

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/S300P_fitted2.jpg
the legendary extended tip compressor wheel design, this is only 61mm inducer / 83mm exducer turbo, just like a GT35R but it moves 72lb/min at full-tilt, HUGE airflow for this small of a turbo (35R is 62lb/min for example). take a look at the far tip you can see the little "peak" that is mountain shaped on the top of each blade? thats the extended tip

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/S300P-2.jpg
getting ready for the charge pipe modification

http://www.full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/S300P-5.jpg
4" downpipe flange welded on

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/S300PvsS300SX.jpg
^^old vs new... you can see how much smaller the new turbo really is
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/coated1.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/coated2.jpg
^^got the manifold and downpipe 2000degree HPC coated, and will use DEI heat wrap on top of the coating to further reduce engine bay temps

Now just waiting on the *brand new* TiAL MVR 44mm wastegate -- hopefully will receive it soon!!

Front Aero
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/frontsplitter1.jpg
^^front splitter mounted on the car, you can also see the radiator ducting. coolers will be remounted and ducted next
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/nose-1.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/nose-2.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/nose-3.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/frontsplitter2.jpg
^^strong enough for 330lbs @ 0mph, should handle 300+lbs downforce at 170mph!


Rear diffuser
to make a functional rear diffuser, it requires that there be an area with no obtrustions to block air from exiting under the chassis or from behind the tires. I started by cutting the quarter panels level with the frame rail, and then i cut out the spare tire well

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser0.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser5.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser4.jpg
^^cutting quarter panels level with the frame rail

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser2.jpg
^^removing spare tire well

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser3.jpg
^^20 ga steel plate fabricated, and mig tack'd in place.

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser9.jpg
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser99.jpg
^^welds cleaned up, spray painted grey

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser10.jpg
flat bottom rear is finished! now time to bolt up the diffuser when it gets back from powdercoat on monday :naughty
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/reardiffuser11.jpg
this bumper will be trimmed generously!

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/update00.jpg
another shot of the rear, but this time the new spindles with proper toe rod geometry is installed

http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update5/update3.jpg as she sits tonite, getting ready for a looong weekend!

now i have to corner weight the car, align it, and do a few tweaks from my friends from M-workz and motoIQ, then i can finish the aero, and turbo for one last update before the race. see you guys for one last update in 1 week!

GripTerror
03-26-2010, 08:33 AM
i hate you lol so jealous :)

army240
03-26-2010, 09:16 AM
You guys are the best... :bowdown:

This is just a sick build!!!

Good luck!

Frank

jspaeth
03-26-2010, 10:04 AM
I would like to see some companies (Garrett, Tial, etc.) come out with more "interesting" compressor housing designs....

Do you think there would be any gain from a smoother transition from compressor outlet to hotpipe?

Almost all turbo setups ask the air to take a 90* turn immediately after exiting the compressor.

Just wondering if there is a better way......


That thing looks ridiculous!



Btw Geoff, my buddy has a FullRace GT35R kit (mani, turbo, twin 38mm Tials) that we just put on his RB26....tomorrow is the big day, we are getting tuned by Evans!


Let me ask you directly....

For a STOCK RB with just your manifold and GT35R.....

He is running the OEM GTS pump in series with a Walbro (255 lph) external inline pump.


I was debating with him whether or not that is going to be enough.....what is your take?

Btw, he is running 1000cc IDs...

FullRaceGeoff
03-26-2010, 11:02 AM
later this year you are going to see a LOT of interesting developments in the turbocharging world - turbo technology will make a huge leap forwards :)

i suggest your friends stock RB get a set of tomei poncams or hks 264 - its a HUGE benefit to have these in for the dyno, and they work just fine on stock head/valvesprings/shims. I would think he will have enough fuel with that setup, but dont really know for sure - maybe would be a good idea to make sure you are watching the fuel pressure gauge during the dyno runs

jspaeth
03-26-2010, 11:17 AM
later this year you are going to see a LOT of interesting developments in the turbocharging world - turbo technology will make a huge leap forwards :)

i suggest your friends stock RB get a set of tomei poncams or hks 264 - its a HUGE benefit to have these in for the dyno, and they work just fine on stock head/valvesprings/shims. I would think he will have enough fuel with that setup, but dont really know for sure - maybe would be a good idea to make sure you are watching the fuel pressure gauge during the dyno runs

Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I have tried to get my 2 friends with RBs to do some sort of a mild cam (the one has a Greddy IM), but neither of them are willing/want to do it....it's a really easy install, especially if you aren't touching the valves/springs.

I am just worried, bc the "rule of thumb" I've read is that 2 similar pumps in series flows only about 20% more than the smaller pump.

Both pumps are 255 lph....so that's roughly 300 lph....he will probably be okay, I just don't want to see (Jeff) Evans have to stop short of the maximum possible output bc my buddy was too lazy/cheap to do a proper fuel setup...

NMs14.5kouki
03-26-2010, 11:40 AM
I love this build! that car is freakin amazing!!

does borgwarner make a twin scroll turbo that would be similar to a 3071/76? i may decide to get one of those later on instead of the garrett im running...

FullRaceGeoff
03-26-2010, 11:45 AM
I love this build! that car is freakin amazing!!

does borgwarner make a twin scroll turbo that would be similar to a 3071/76? i may decide to get one of those later on instead of the garrett im running...

yes - take a look at the S200 (T3 Twinscroll) and S200SX (T4 twinscroll) turbos they are great performers, the T4 works best for a 1.00-1.09-1.15 a/r on an SR20

onehundredoctane
03-26-2010, 05:55 PM
I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!!!

but I'd settle for a ride in it eventually. srsly tho, when I get my car running I'm planning a small vacation to AZ in my S13. Gotta see this beast of and R14 in person!

RB24_S14
03-26-2010, 06:33 PM
This is one of the best builds I have ever seen. Godamn! AWD RB26..cant get any better. Is there a HP limit? because I know if you guys wanted more power out of the RB it would be unstopable!

PoorMans180SX
03-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Serious business time!

Loving the suspension and aero mods.

lightsource
03-26-2010, 09:07 PM
AHHHH!!! Okay.... I can't believe I just saw all of this win in just two pages.

Good luck w. everything +subscribed, sickest S14 project i've seen yet.

n8RPS13
03-26-2010, 10:02 PM
MY GOD!!!! I remember the issue of Modified with this 240 and was like holly SH*T!!! AMAZING JOB GUYS!!!! Keep it up!!!

FullRaceGeoff
03-28-2010, 01:13 AM
http://full-race.com/prototype2/subaru/modified09/r14dyno2.jpg -- pump gas at 19psi


http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/update4/R14-E85-8875-20psi.jpg
^^^E85 [email protected] psi -- wayyy laggy + weird dip??

so we got that weird dip figured out tonite, and why it was so laggy -- there was a small tear in the wastegate diaphragm! this caused extra lag, and weird behavior when the wastegate was opening.

NOTE: LEARN FROM MY ERROR -- ALWAYS RUN THE WASTEGATES OFF COMPRESSOR HSG TO AVOID ANY VACUUM BEING SEEN BY THE WASTEGATE> IF YOU RUN WASTEGATE OFF OF INTAKE MANIFOLD USE A CHECK VALVE

GSXRJJordan
03-28-2010, 02:26 AM
tial's new wg - MVR (their new 44mm) was FINALLY released!! expecting to receive them early next week

I'm very interested to see how small they can get the MVR ~ the standard 44mm seems much larger than it needs to be. Were you worried about running out of gate with two MV-S's?

All the air that would pass through the FMIC and rad setup before would still go under the car, really shouldnt be any changes at all, and if he puts a splitter on that extends back under the IC it should help stabilize the air under the car a little bit.

Correct!

NOTE: LEARN FROM MY ERROR -- ALWAYS RUN THE WASTEGATES OFF COMPRESSOR HSG TO AVOID ANY VACUUM BEING SEEN BY THE WASTEGATE> IF YOU RUN WASTEGATE OFF OF INTAKE MANIFOLD USE A CHECK VALVE

I guess that makes sense, but I've never heard of the vacuum seen on a turbo motor being substantial enough to warrant a check valve. Glad you found the problem though!

FullRaceGeoff
03-28-2010, 10:13 AM
Were you worried about running out of gate with two MV-S's?.. I've never heard of the vacuum seen on a turbo motor being substantial enough to warrant a check valve

manifold was already flanged for 44mm, and coated.

its far more common than you think.

timtiminy
03-28-2010, 10:50 AM
just here watching... in awe

RHD95S14
03-28-2010, 10:24 PM
NOTE: LEARN FROM MY ERROR -- ALWAYS RUN THE WASTEGATES OFF COMPRESSOR HSG TO AVOID ANY VACUUM BEING SEEN BY THE WASTEGATE> IF YOU RUN WASTEGATE OFF OF INTAKE MANIFOLD USE A CHECK VALVE

Can you elaborate please? Wouldn't a check valve just keep building pressure inside the wg?

FullRaceGeoff
03-29-2010, 12:33 AM
check valve prevents it from seeing vacuum. boost only is what the wastegate should see.

the big benefit of the compressor housing being the source for wastegate signal is that there is no vacuum signal, there is no pressure drop across the intercooler, and no need for a check valve. so just drill and tap the comp hsg.

Om1kron
03-29-2010, 03:41 AM
check valve prevents it from seeing vacuum. boost only is what the wastegate should see.

the big benefit of the compressor housing being the source for wastegate signal is that there is no vacuum signal, there is no pressure drop across the intercooler, and no need for a check valve. so just drill and tap the comp hsg.

I always wondered why I've seen turbos with a fitting on them for this.... that makes sense.

The more you know?

SpeedLoungeRich
03-29-2010, 08:59 PM
Geoff... remember me? I had to join this forum just so I could follow this thread. We shot Jaden a few weeks ago and Jeff was telling me about the car... the thing looks sick man.

Please, please, please.. do us a favor and after you win this thing, contact Polyphony Digital and get them to finally come out and shoot/test the car so they can include it in Gran Turismo 5... it might be the only way I'll ever get to drive it, but that will be good enough....

FullRaceGeoff
03-30-2010, 12:00 AM
Jeff was telling me about the car... the thing looks sick man.

Please, please, please.. do us a favor and after you win this thing, contact Polyphony Digital and get them to finally come out and shoot/test the car so they can include it in Gran Turismo 5...

good to hear from you Rich! the car is actually still registered in NJ ;) i will bring it back east probably after SEMA 2010.

the car is already in GT5!! they shot it at sema a few years back and its listed in their car list already, i should definitely contact someone to ask them to add a fixed tq split feature for my car tho!!

greenman100
03-30-2010, 12:20 AM
FULL RACE
Nissan 240SX RB26 Coupe ‘06

PS3's Gran Turismo 5 Complete List of Cars - Zerotohundred.com (http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/automotive-news/181936-ps3s-gran-turismo-5-complete-list-of-cars.html)

too cool.

FullRaceGeoff
03-30-2010, 01:26 AM
thanks for posting that up greenman

SpeedLoungeRich
03-30-2010, 11:15 AM
good to hear from you Rich! the car is actually still registered in NJ ;) i will bring it back east probably after SEMA 2010.

the car is already in GT5!! they shot it at sema a few years back and its listed in their car list already, i should definitely contact someone to ask them to add a fixed tq split feature for my car tho!!

SICK!... now I really can't wait for that game to come out. Can't wait to see the car again man... good luck in the challenge. ALPHA will be rooting for you. hahaha we'll use the alpha magic fingers to jinkx the other teams.

afwfjustin
03-30-2010, 11:30 AM
Geoff I'm loving the look of your zenki - amazing work!

This car is truly an inspiration to many of us out there.

scottie
03-30-2010, 02:05 PM
I am getting out of the car business LOL!

FullRaceGeoff
04-02-2010, 10:55 AM
got a little more aero stuff to tend to, hook up headlights, mount the wing and then shakedowns at bondurant on Monday

onehundredoctane
04-03-2010, 10:13 AM
Geoff the amount of detail and engineering behind this car is absolutely crazy!

You mentioned to me a while back in an e-mail that you were still wanting to make another one of these strictly for track use. Still thinking about doing that? Looks like you already got it now! lol

s13 @ fullboost
04-03-2010, 11:14 AM
good god the hulk on wheels

FullRaceGeoff
04-05-2010, 09:03 PM
R14 shakedowns at bondurant today 4/5/2010, low boost (13psi)

YouTube - Full-Race R14, Twinscroll Borgwarner Turbo, (low boost 13psi) AWD RB26 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rbVCuz94QY)

0100
04-05-2010, 09:11 PM
That sounds so good!

FullRaceGeoff
04-06-2010, 02:05 PM
cmon, only one comment? that video is sick!! AWD RB26 S14 tearing it up... back to work for me..

longfellow
04-06-2010, 02:09 PM
I have high hopes for this car. Should kill in the MSTC.

Om1kron
04-06-2010, 02:35 PM
cmon, only one comment? that video is sick!! AWD RB26 S14 tearing it up... back to work for me..

maybe if you didn't shoot the video with a digital camera... it sounds nice from what I can make out.

mmdb
04-06-2010, 02:55 PM
Needs more tire smoke... but then again usually cars that look slow are usually the fastest ones out there.

FullRaceGeoff
04-06-2010, 05:36 PM
maybe if you didn't shoot the video with a digital camera... it sounds nice from what I can make out.

^^cell phone. but thanks, HD vid was shot too, all coming soon

dato
04-06-2010, 10:30 PM
U SHOULD race it on PINKS...

noname7198
04-07-2010, 01:07 AM
Freakin Awesome!

Silviaoneday
04-07-2010, 01:26 AM
MAN, sounds amazing!! For 13psi on a larger turbo its responsive for sure. TWINSCROLL FTW rich bastard lol. Good luck man hope all works out for you!! Shoot some spare parts my way :D

FullRaceGeoff
04-07-2010, 01:28 AM
im so far from rich you have no idea. i bust ass HARD for every bolt on this car.

full-race exists simply becuase i have put everything imaginable into having the ability to build things like this car.

Silviaoneday
04-07-2010, 01:34 AM
im so far from rich you have no idea. i bust ass HARD for every bolt on this car.

full-race exists simply becuase i have put everything imaginable into having the ability to build things like this car.

LOL calm down, I have no doubt that you work your ass off man. Seriously congrats on your success and your car! I already feel discouraged with 10k in an rb25, I wish I had half the car you do. This thing is def a beast and one of a kind keep up the hard work keep us updated. PS didnt mean to offend you if I did, I'm sorry.

FullRaceGeoff
04-07-2010, 01:59 AM
no offense taken didnt mean for my post to sound pissed. just pulled a long day, going to dyno tomorrow. if you spent 10k and arent happy with the setup you arent planning well enough! make a post with your setup and link me, ill lend a hand

SpeedLoungeRich
04-08-2010, 11:12 AM
more updates, please...

I wish there was a website where I could just follow all of your discussions on all of the different boards Geoff, between here, evom, etc.. you drop some serious knowledge on the net. Always fun to read.

Om1kron
04-08-2010, 11:15 AM
hahaha sure am glad I didn't say "10 thousand dollar coil overs and you made the video with a digital camera" in my last post haha j/k nobody is made of money. You are able to do the things you enjoy because you honed the skills to do so.

For that I applaud your efforts and enjoy reading anything you do even if other people I know are very skeptical about this build.

I hope you prove them wrong. I have high hopes for you guys!

teamsprock
04-08-2010, 01:30 PM
Geoff we need more pictures and video's. Everything looks like its coming together very nicely. I can't wait to see how you do and hope you smoke everyone. The car is looking amazing and sounds great. I can't wait to see the response of the new turbo on the dyno.

s13xturbo
04-09-2010, 09:29 PM
more updates please.


this is my dream build!

e2blade
04-10-2010, 12:26 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2273/4506562739_aa07cfd6f2_b.jpg

D.Adams
04-10-2010, 02:05 AM
i rememebr when this car was first built. When i first saw the build i got goosebumps and i still get them everytime i see this car. What i would do to see this thing face to face ... awesome build man and FULL RACE - FTW

96Turbo
04-11-2010, 04:22 AM
THIS:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj187/crazyhazey33/P4010130.jpg

Lead to THIS:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj187/crazyhazey33/P4010139.jpg

But I was relieved to hear that it was only an exhaust problem that started the undercoating on fire.

I wasn't even expecting to see this thing in action tonight but damn im glad i went!!!

dongoesby
04-11-2010, 04:56 AM
No No! God bless this car with good health!!

e2blade
04-11-2010, 01:36 PM
the cars ok!, im sure geoff will get on here to explain what happen.

Brett
04-11-2010, 02:08 PM
The preliminary findings at the track were as follows:

1. Aluminum exhaust broke in two at a v-band fitting.
2. The leading edge of the back half of the exhaust was dragging on the ground.
3. The open exhaust on the front portion melted the awd controller causing trans fluid to pour out.
4. Sparky sparks + trans fluid + super heated exhaust fumes = get the extinguishers!

Car and driver were fine and the car was able to complete it's time attack before it happened.

Om1kron
04-11-2010, 03:01 PM
next mod, a bucket of water, soap, and tons of armor all. LOL!

Silviaoneday
04-11-2010, 03:21 PM
DAMN GOOD SAVE!! Hope the drivers alright! Get this beast back on the track and get us some updates! ^^^^^^ Wayne, my pops said he spoke to you at Long Beach, said you got a roller huh??

Om1kron
04-11-2010, 03:22 PM
DAMN GOOD SAVE!! Hope the drivers alright! Get this beast back on the track and get us some updates! ^^^^^^ Wayne, my pops said he spoke to you at Long Beach, said you got a roller huh??

I can't remember the last time I was in long beach. I wasn't at Formula D this weekend. Maybe was talking to someone else?

FullRaceGeoff
04-23-2010, 02:46 PM
here is some video of our final lap of the day (fast lap) and the cooldown lap:
Full-Race R14 Catches Fire at 2010 Tuner Shootout (Video) <--- click here (http://www.full-race.com/r14-fire-video.html)

http://www.full-race.com/r14-fire-thumb.jpg

You can hear the exhaust break around 1min 25secs, and thats when things start to get scary..

the culprit: exhaust failed, ruptered high pressure p/s lineand p/s fluid ignited. We used a 22" long stainless DP, followed by the long aluminum exhuast. We used header wrap at the front of the exh, to protect the p/s hoses from heat, and this likely shortened the exhaust's life.. This aluminum exh has seen a lot of abuse, many hours of dynoing, street driving and practice sessions. The heavy loads during the time attack event were just too much and it gave up

fortunately it was an easy cleanup, the car is already back to blingin! needs a little work this weekend, but will be 100% by monday.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs412.snc3/24913_402644621128_575236128_4505582_298380_n.jpg


here she is during some street driving
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs516.snc3/27068_10150175053810113_704920112_12332350_5243843 _n.jpg

slider2828
04-23-2010, 04:20 PM
Man whoever took that picture needs to bump the Apertature way up..... LOL nice car I love it.... its a dream

Wholly shit was the fire in the cabin too? Or just when he opened the door? Wholly christ the suit save his ass literally hahahah!

Agamemnon
04-23-2010, 06:55 PM
Holy crap!

Fire crotch!

FullRaceGeoff
04-23-2010, 07:11 PM
.. and thats why they are fireproof !

irritatedmax
04-23-2010, 08:00 PM
Awesome and scary. Was the highway shot taken after the event? Did you remove all the stickers after the event? Car looks awesome. Can't wait to hear the event results.

FullRaceGeoff
04-23-2010, 08:15 PM
thanks guys - stoked you like the vid!! BTW Please post the video link http://www.full-race.com/r14-fire-video.html on any forums or social networking sites you visit!! we need a lot of video views to make sure our sponsors stay with us for next year - you wouldnt believe how hard it is to get sponsorships these days, even for us

NiSilS14
04-24-2010, 04:14 AM
Good to see it was minor, and back to runnin' in no time. What did you guys do to prevent anymore fiery situations?

Ares240SX
04-26-2010, 01:10 AM
Wow. Just saw this thread. I remember Geoff back in the day when he started doing Honda turbo manifolds on Honda-Tech. Fantastic looking car. Sorry to hear about the exhaust troubles as well.

eberle
04-26-2010, 09:41 AM
sick build....keep the good work up

FullRaceGeoff
04-26-2010, 07:13 PM
Good to see it was minor, and back to runnin' in no time. What did you guys do to prevent anymore fiery situations?

stainless steel exhaust for the street - and for the race track do a short "upside-downpipe" venting out the hood. This is less weight, heat out of the engine bay, and downforce .. a win:win

Wow. Just saw this thread. I remember Geoff back in the day when he started doing Honda turbo manifolds on Honda-Tech. Fantastic looking car. Sorry to hear about the exhaust troubles as well.

sick build....keep the good work up

thanks guys! :bigok: its just part of having fun with race cars..

jspaeth
04-26-2010, 07:31 PM
stainless steel exhaust for the street - and for the race track do a short "upside-downpipe" venting out the hood. This is less weight, heat out of the engine bay, and downforce .. a win:win

thanks guys! :bigok: its just part of having fun with race cars..

Spoken like a true engineer!

Fluid mechanics says that the momentum of that exhaust gas exiting vertically provides a force on the chassis in the opposite direction.

BONUS!

FullRaceGeoff
04-26-2010, 07:37 PM
Spoken like a true engineer!

thats because I ARE ONE ;)

jk jk

blueshark123
04-26-2010, 09:00 PM
love the street driven pic with the nj plates on it lol

FullRaceGeoff
04-26-2010, 09:02 PM
gotta represent!

FullRaceGeoff
04-27-2010, 09:35 PM
Here is the dynochart from my latest round of testing with my RB26 (this was done in 4wd, on UMS's awd dynapacks, previous testing was done in 2wd mode)

http://www.full-race.com/prototype/twinscroll/R14-S300Pvs8875.jpg

this compares the S300P 0.80 a/r to the S300SX w/ 88mm compressor 1.00 a/r

orange: 0.80 a/r S300P, custom machined housing - 17.5psi tapering to 16psi
green: 0.80 a/r S300P, custom machined housing - 20.5psi tapering to 17.5psi

VS

pink:S300SX 88-75 1.00 a/r 19psi
blue: S300SX 88-75 1.00 a/r 19psi (same as above) with slight cam gear adjustment (advanced to +3 intake from +2, and added a little fuel during spoolup)

you can see the considerable gains in area-under-the-curve that i was able to acheive with this new turbo, and very small loss up top - well worth the tradeoff.

now that im all done, considering the amount of work I went through for this and time and expense required to make this S300P work, i think the 83-75 would have provided virtually the same powerband, and fit better as well as be easier to install.

http://full-race.com/prototype/twinscroll/FRTS83-75STI.JPG
^^this is a customer's twinscroll 83-75 1.00 a/r on our twinscroll subaru kit. I would kill to get that powerband with my RB26..

FullRaceGeoff
04-30-2010, 10:38 AM
here are some pics of the ATESSA test-jig i built. It is going to a very bright electrical engineer friend of mine who has experience with his own tq split ECU for time attack subarus. The GST subaru runs his system with great results.

http://www.full-race.com/prototype/R14/ATESSA/GTRtqsplit-tester1.jpg

http://www.full-race.com/prototype/R14/ATESSA/GTRtqsplit-tester2.jpg

cant wait to see what he comes up with - using onboard G sensor built onto his circuit board

jspaeth
04-30-2010, 11:11 AM
Geoff, I am interested in your take on "area under the torque curve"

If I compare the green curve to the blue curve, from 4500-8000 RPM, the blue curve seems to have a larger integral.

However, if you include points from say, 3500 or 4000 upward, there is a dramatic difference, because the green curve makes gobs more torque from 3000-4500 RPM.

That being said, wouldn't it depend upon the application?

If you see yourself in some road-racing situation where you DO care about 7000-8000 RPM range and DO plan to keep the revs always above 4500 RPM, wouldn't the Blue curve be better?

Just wanting to learn and playing Devil's advocate....

Educate me please!

FullRaceGeoff
04-30-2010, 11:47 AM
you need to consider the gearing of the trans being used, and the powerband that the engine creates to suit the gearing + the track it is being used on. A low speed track that has low-rpm 2nd gear turns will really hurt if you only have a peaky high rpm powerband.

a stock GTR 5 speed trans has absurdly tall gears, which makes setting up a powerful AND responsive turbocharger system very difficult, especially on the low speed tracks and auto-x applications.

obviously a high speed track or a drag race application would be an entirely different powerband/gearing

jspaeth
04-30-2010, 12:09 PM
you need to consider the gearing of the trans being used, and the powerband that the engine creates to suit the gearing + the track it is being used on. A low speed track that has low-rpm 2nd gear turns will really hurt if you only have a peaky high rpm powerband.

a stock GTR 5 speed trans has absurdly tall gears, which makes setting up a powerful AND responsive turbocharger system very difficult, especially on the low speed tracks and auto-x applications.

obviously a high speed track or a drag race application would be an entirely different powerband/gearing


Okay, thanks for the explanation!

Buriantsu
04-30-2010, 12:24 PM
Fuego. Subscribed.

kingkilburn
04-30-2010, 01:43 PM
a stock GTR 5 speed trans has absurdly tall gears, which makes setting up a powerful AND responsive turbocharger system very difficult...


Would this be the reason you always see GTRs driven balls to the wall in serious racing? Like they have to push the car hard to keep it in the power band AND fast on the track.

speedrift
04-30-2010, 01:48 PM
awesome...that is all.

k0013
04-30-2010, 02:08 PM
Would this be the reason you always see GTRs driven balls to the wall in serious racing? Like they have to push the car hard to keep it in the power band AND fast on the track.



more than likely it is the reason you see so many GTR's with dog mission gear boxes with custom gears to make up for this shortfall especially on circuits like Tsukuba.

KA24sleeper
04-30-2010, 02:42 PM
Awsome build, hope my TA build will be awsome as this( if i can make more money)

FullRaceGeoff
05-03-2010, 12:01 PM
Would this be the reason you always see GTRs driven balls to the wall in serious racing? Like they have to push the car hard to keep it in the power band AND fast on the track.

im not sure of the answer on that, as every car we get in we typically push hard on the track... with the GTRs they have the following downsides:

big iron I6 + turbos = heavy nose weight -- 1100lb on each front wheel is HEAVY, moving the motor back is $$$ and a straight race car at that point
2.6L engine doesnt generate much torque -> 2.8L or 3.0L strokers make a lot of sense
5 speed gearing sucks --> go to a 6 speed R34 box

more than likely it is the reason you see so many GTR's with dog mission gear boxes with custom gears to make up for this shortfall especially on circuits like Tsukuba.

yes, but the r34 6 speed getrag is an even better option.. thats what im saving my monies for! gonna have to sell some parts soon

FullRaceGeoff
07-02-2010, 06:29 PM
oops repost

MitchellBade
07-02-2010, 06:42 PM
This car is crazy! If I sell my life maybe I could do this. Now this is how you build a race car.

FullRaceGeoff
07-02-2010, 07:00 PM
The new issue of modified magazine is on news stands, check it out!!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs131.snc4/36888_407591589469_257478014469_4218029_5109081_n. jpgFull-Race

We got 2nd place in AWD class. :)


Full-Race has recently received a lot of PMs and emails now that the new issue of the Tuner shootout is on newstands. The updated R14 portion of the Full-Race.com site is coming next week, but to answer the basic questions, ill copy/paste the beginning text for you:

Full-Race.com -- R14 DIY HOW-TO info

this portion of the Full-Race.com website breaks down the R14 conversion in detail. Pictures and information help to make it clear how to do this AWD RB26 swap. If you've done a few different motor swaps, installed some turbokits, know how to use a hand-drill + welder (220 Volt Mig welder recommended), and are committed/prepared to take on a big project you can tackle this install. If you dont know how to do swaps or install aftermarket turbokits, do not start this conversion until you have more experience or better understand the process.

A) Required BIG parts:
-(95-98) S14 Chassis, S15 will work too. S13 will NOT work for this swap!! <
-R32 GTR front clip w/ complete front suspension and complete rear subframe <easy to find at any big JDM importers/yards>
-Full-Race R14 DIY kit

^^^If you can acquire all of the above items^^^ all the big purchases are out of the way.

B) Full-Race R14 kit consists of these parts required to do the swap:

R14 Frame Rails (Left and Right side)
R14 billet frame blocks
Subframe Bolts/washers
LHD RB26 steering rack
Transmission Mount
Frame side Transmission Mount-plate
Front Upper-Control-Arm Structure (Upper Shock mounts)
Lower Shock mounts
1-piece Driveshaft (Aluminum or Steel)
1/2" Eye-to-Eye Coilovers - Moton or Koni (Circletrack or Road Race style heim-mounted)

Here is how it all works, and enough instructions to get you going:

First, start by getting the R32 GTR clip fully disassembled. We will be using almost every major component from this clip. Keep all the suspension control arms, brakes, hubs and bolts sorted, with their respective hardware. The engine and transmission should be inspected and it is recommended to refresh it - new timing belt, clutch, oil pump, etc. At this point, the subframe should be unbolted from the motor mounts and then cleaned/prepped for the swap....


to be continued. Thanks for the interest in the R14 conversions!

90white240
07-03-2010, 01:02 AM
Bad a$$$$$

besTint
07-03-2010, 02:35 AM
http://full-race.com/prototype/R14/shootout-prep/DSC_0135%20copy%20copy.jpg


what is this front bumper??

FullRaceGeoff
07-03-2010, 09:13 AM
bumper is from touge factory - version select!

besTint
07-03-2010, 04:30 PM
version 1 im guessing? and are they a replica company? cause version II is a picture of the MSPORTS kit.

iwishiwas-all*
07-03-2010, 06:46 PM
version 1 im guessing? and are they a replica company? cause version II is a picture of the MSPORTS kit.

yes its a rep of vertex...

FullRaceGeoff
07-06-2010, 11:53 AM
beats me, i just liked it and got it cheap. good quality glass overall, it fit surprisingly well

redline racer510
07-13-2010, 11:41 AM
Hey Geoff got a job for me. Working at Mercedes Benz is starting to bore me and I know recession is a B!+ch but damn I would rather be a part of that.

Bovi
07-13-2010, 12:06 PM
sick ride !!!!

niteridaz503
07-13-2010, 01:07 PM
HOLLY FUDGE STICKS THIS THING IS AMAZING!!!!

I remember reading the whole article on this car, everything is absolutely incredible in this car its definitely an "AMAZING MACHINE"

onlydrinkkoolaid
07-15-2010, 11:32 PM
the new issue of modified magazine is on news stands, check it out!!

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs131.snc4/36888_407591589469_257478014469_4218029_5109081_n. jpgfull-race

we got 2nd place in awd class. :)


full-race has recently received a lot of pms and emails now that the new issue of the tuner shootout is on newstands. The updated r14 portion of the full-race.com site is coming next week, but to answer the basic questions, ill copy/paste the beginning text for you:

Full-race.com -- r14 diy how-to info

this portion of the full-race.com website breaks down the r14 conversion in detail. Pictures and information help to make it clear how to do this awd rb26 swap. If you've done a few different motor swaps, installed some turbokits, know how to use a hand-drill + welder (220 volt mig welder recommended), and are committed/prepared to take on a big project you can tackle this install. If you dont know how to do swaps or install aftermarket turbokits, do not start this conversion until you have more experience or better understand the process.

A) required big parts:
-(95-98) s14 chassis, s15 will work too. S13 will not work for this swap!! <
-r32 gtr front clip w/ complete front suspension and complete rear subframe <easy to find at any big jdm importers/yards>
-full-race r14 diy kit

^^^if you can acquire all of the above items^^^ all the big purchases are out of the way.

B) full-race r14 kit consists of these parts required to do the swap:

R14 frame rails (left and right side)
r14 billet frame blocks
subframe bolts/washers
lhd rb26 steering rack
transmission mount
frame side transmission mount-plate
front upper-control-arm structure (upper shock mounts)
lower shock mounts
1-piece driveshaft (aluminum or steel)
1/2" eye-to-eye coilovers - moton or koni (circletrack or road race style heim-mounted)

here is how it all works, and enough instructions to get you going:

First, start by getting the r32 gtr clip fully disassembled. We will be using almost every major component from this clip. Keep all the suspension control arms, brakes, hubs and bolts sorted, with their respective hardware. The engine and transmission should be inspected and it is recommended to refresh it - new timing belt, clutch, oil pump, etc. At this point, the subframe should be unbolted from the motor mounts and then cleaned/prepped for the swap....


To be continued. Thanks for the interest in the r14 conversions!


please tell me more im just the kind of crazy person who would do this because its my dream to build awd s14 chassis

kognition
07-16-2010, 02:55 AM
This car is badass! :bow:

beats me, i just liked it and got it cheap. good quality glass overall, it fit surprisingly well

ItzGenX
07-16-2010, 05:49 PM
This car is awesome! I am building an awd S14 right now also, but I am using the front shock towers from the R32 clip and R32 rear subframe instead of R33 rear subframe like the R14. Getting everything in and fitted seems to be no problem for me with the drivetrain. However, I am very interested in the torque split controller your friend is building. Got any new details on that? Lacking automatic torque split is the only problem I can see with the awd system being swapped in.

ItzGenX
07-16-2010, 05:52 PM
Hmm that name kognition rings a bell. You wouldn't happen to be the maker of sunroof deletes for S13/14's that I saw going around a while back but cant seem to find now would ya?

ReaperBJJ
07-16-2010, 07:12 PM
This car is one of my inspirations, once I get my new rustless s13 chassis I plan on going AWD once I figure out the whole Torque Split/Altessa delete issue. I've read up on plenty of s13's done and it doesn't seem like TOO much different, just lots of fab.

Also I couldn't find any interior shots really, do you have any?

kognition
07-17-2010, 12:34 PM
No, im not that guy anymore. I had to stop making useless shit that wasn't making any money for the business.
Only track wings now.

Hmm that name kognition rings a bell. You wouldn't happen to be the maker of sunroof deletes for S13/14's that I saw going around a while back but cant seem to find now would ya?

s!lv!a
07-18-2010, 02:09 PM
this car is just so ridiculously nice, great work geoff

onlydrinkkoolaid
07-22-2010, 12:45 AM
If you dont mind me asking but where did you buy your spherical bearings from I have the welding skills just cant find anywhere to buy them from

FullRaceGeoff
07-22-2010, 05:33 PM
This car is badass! :bow:

^^^Best aero out!!!

The Kognition wing will help to balance out the chassis, especially with the NASCAR splitter setup we have. Currently - the POS wing we're using is about the same as an APR and just doesnt produce anywhere close to the amount of drag-free downforce a Kognition designed wing is capable of

:bowdown: to your work sir!

please tell me more im just the kind of crazy person who would do this because its my dream to build awd s14 chassis

our web guy is a laggard! he's working on wrapping up an entirely new Full-Race.com site and the R14 update is part of that.

HOLLY FUDGE STICKS THIS THING IS AMAZING!!!! I remember reading the whole article on this car, everything is absolutely incredible in this car its definitely an "AMAZING MACHINE"


this car is just so ridiculously nice, great work geoff


thanks alot for the props, the R14 is back under the knife getting a new turbokit and some aero love. you guys supporting us is huge motivation to keep things going!

This car is one of my inspirations, once I get my new rustless s13 chassis I plan on going AWD once I figure out the whole Torque Split/Altessa delete issue.

i strongly encourage that you do the AWD swap with an S14! the S13 will be more work

If you dont mind me asking but where did you buy your spherical bearings from I have the welding skills just cant find anywhere to buy them from

SPLparts is the best quality nissan specific suspension parts that ive seen anywhere in the world.

if you are a fabricator and make your own arms or machine your own bearing housings, GMRstore (http://www.thegmrstore.com/) the desert truck guys are no joke when it comes to sphericals and heims

niteridaz503
07-22-2010, 05:54 PM
thanks alot for the props, the R14 is back under the knife getting a new turbokit and some aero love. you guys supporting us is huge motivation to keep things going!

you have it all wrong man your the motivation for us:wackit: :wackit: (if you catch my drift LMAO JK) leme know when you wana wax the R14 :hitit: lol

This things intense and it just keeps getting better i wana see more updates & pics lol

D1S13
07-22-2010, 08:05 PM
have you installed this kit on any customer cars?

Def
07-22-2010, 10:00 PM
SPLparts is the best quality nissan specific suspension parts that ive seen anywhere in the world.

if you are a fabricator and make your own arms or machine your own bearing housings, GMRstore (http://www.thegmrstore.com/) the desert truck guys are no joke when it comes to sphericals and heims

You sell the set of spherical bearings you got from me?

FullRaceGeoff
07-23-2010, 11:51 AM
have you installed this kit on any customer cars?

yes, in fact thats where the pics for our installation guide came from :) One car in florida, one in georgia, one in the caribean, 2 in AZ and one in california. After these we just didnt have the time to bring cars in, because it was interfering with our turbokit mfg business

You sell the set of spherical bearings you got from me?

i ran them, however they developed way too much slop and i had to go back to the drawing board. Mike at skullworks was a help, but insisted his "Com" grade sphericals were up to the task... whatever the reason i have a bunch of those sphericals worn out by my desk. I switched to aurora motorsport grade and no problems.

40cal
07-29-2010, 07:19 PM
what size bearings are you using?
are they 5/8 or 3/4 or bigger?

Future240
07-29-2010, 08:51 PM
This is the definition of car Pr0ns.

FullRaceGeoff
07-30-2010, 04:23 PM
thanks future240!

40cal, it depends on where the bearing is

93sileighty
07-30-2010, 05:40 PM
A) Required BIG parts:

-Full-Race R14 DIY kit



Does this mean i missed something and these DIY kits are finally available or atleast have a firm date and pricing. If so I am now on a ramen and water diet and my turbo e34 project is officially scrapped because i will be building the r14 i have been dreaming about.

FullRaceGeoff
07-31-2010, 08:27 AM
correct, the web guy we have is a terrible slacker and hasnt gotten anything done with our site as of late, but the DIY R14 kits are completely wrapped up with design work and install procedure. The pricing and web updates are all thats left. sorry to scrap your turbo e34 plans, but i have an i6 e39 i was going to boost and instead am building another r14 too :)

onlydrinkkoolaid
08-05-2010, 11:08 PM
please hurry with the site I have been on and off the page looking for updates since December 2007 when that Modified Mag issue came out and yes I still read that article from time to time. I thought you guys completed abandoned the R14 so i was left dreaming and quoting STAR TREK "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

FullRaceGeoff
08-06-2010, 09:26 AM
yeah our webguy is seriously slacking. he has to get a boot in the ass for taking this long... my apologies. i promise you we have worked wayyy too hard on this conversion kit to abandon it! Also seeing how cheap some gtr clips have been going for lately really makes doing a build like this that much more attainable

niteridaz503
08-06-2010, 10:56 AM
Glad to see you guys still moving forward with the kits & GL with the sales process seems like you have alot of people interested man.

FullRaceGeoff
08-06-2010, 02:26 PM
thanks, the hardest part was redesigning the welded-on components so that an end user could install easily. The frame rails, trans mt and double wishbone conversion used to be built one-by-one on the car. Now, the end user cleans the surface (preps for MIG welding) bolts in those items, and then lays some beads down. a LOT less work this way

zxc4
09-17-2010, 07:49 PM
please hurry with the site I have been on and off the page looking for updates since December 2007 when that Modified Mag issue came out and yes I still read that article from time to time. I thought you guys completed abandoned the R14 so i was left dreaming and quoting STAR TREK "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

I have also been watching and waiting patiently. I think there are plenty of other lurkers keeping an eye on this as well.

nachos14
09-24-2010, 05:30 AM
nice build. saw this car at sema show years ago. even have a poster up in my shop. good work guys

tinys s14
09-25-2010, 02:41 AM
wow sickest s14 EVERRR.

ETHANOLED SR
09-25-2010, 03:10 AM
This car is amazing in every way!!! The Full Race team has got R&D in the box and on top of everyone else. Great car, great products, and great car enthusiasts!!! Subscribed! :bow: Why didn't I see this thread before?:duh:

fckillerbee
09-29-2010, 08:08 PM
absolutely amazing read...all 8 pages. Amazing video...great way to end it with the smoke coming in the cabin....it's amazing to see the fire come through the (shift boot)something while you were looking out the door....and then you opened the door..and fire everywhere...amazing.

great build...absolutely amazing....my mouth has been catching fly's for 45 minutes.

daviddwilson
10-05-2010, 10:48 PM
This thing is gonna be retarded!!!!!!!!!!

350 ft-lbs+ of torque from 4500-8000 in a 4 wheel drive 2700 lb car.

This should be insane, I wish I could watch in person.

WOW, ridiculous! Looks pretty perfect

Could you elaborate on how you control the torque split manually? You just regulate oil pressure to the transfer case or somethin?

Good luck in the time attack. Looks like the competition is pretty tough but i'm rooting for ya!
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FullRaceGeoff
10-27-2010, 08:42 PM
hey guys - sorry there havent been any updates. We've been absolutely SWAMPED with r&d work since the new BorgWarner EFR turbos have been in development. Its taken away all of my free time that I could normally spend on my R14, but worth every minute. if you have a spare minute check out some of the turbo technology here:

BorgWarner EFR Turbos | Full-Race.com (http://www.full-race.com/articles/borgwarner-efr-turbos.html)

This week we head to SEMA in Las Vegas and as soon as we get back ill be back on the R14 website and how-to writeup. And then the R14 will be back on the track with the EFR 8374 turbo :)

irritatedmax
10-27-2010, 11:19 PM
I just read through the entire EFR page. Holy cow. That looks awesome. Any chance you have a 1JZ-GTE (VVTi version) manifold in the works? Haha. This would be an awesome DD/weekend drifter setup!

Can't wait to hear more.

turbo2nr
10-28-2010, 08:38 AM
wow intresting turbo ! finally time some one re-invented the wheel, lots of cool features lots of technology in this.

so whats the price point looking like, when is it available to the public?

im assuming if it fits on a sr20 w/ twin scroll mai, it should also fit on a ka-t?

really looking forward to see dyno comp. on this!

Godchsr
10-30-2010, 09:41 PM
Very sweet read!

You're in Phoenix right? You fill up your cars at QuikTrip right? lol

josephin510
11-03-2010, 03:36 PM
Hey Geoff got a job for me. Working at Mercedes Benz is starting to bore me and I know recession is a B!+ch but damn I would rather be a part of that.

Hamz is this u? If so hurry in finish RB SWAP

PoorMans180SX
11-05-2010, 08:13 PM
Stoked to see the new EFR turbo on the dyno and the track! Let us know when you get the pricing finished on those R14 kits.

bigturbo3
11-05-2010, 09:31 PM
thats totally sick

pallnet
11-05-2010, 11:35 PM
Good looking car and much respect for the build. Very nice/clean work.
pallnet

crunkride
11-06-2010, 12:32 AM
unreal - a wolf in sheep's clothing.

FullRaceGeoff
11-22-2010, 05:06 PM
wow intresting turbo ! finally time some one re-invented the wheel, lots of cool features lots of technology in this. so whats the price point looking like, when is it available to the public? im assuming if it fits on a sr20 w/ twin scroll mai, it should also fit on a ka-t?

glad to hear you guys are excited! The amount of attention and interest that we saw at SEMA was unreal. A lot of people are really excited for the new turbo tech that BorgWarner is bringing to the table. there is a great video on the EFR background if you are bored:

YouTube - EFR Turbo Series from BorgWarner Turbo Systems (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfuE6xiij9g)

Very sweet read! You're in Phoenix right? You fill up your cars at QuikTrip right? lol

LOL, Ive gone to the quiktrip on university often since its right around the corner from Full-Race. Recently we got an E85 station on our street :D 1 block away from the shop, we I have only been taking the beaters for regular gasoline. all the turbo cars here have been switching over to E85

I just read through the entire EFR page. Holy cow. That looks awesome. Any chance you have a 1JZ-GTE (VVTi version) manifold in the works? Haha. This would be an awesome DD/weekend drifter setup! Can't wait to hear more.

we rarely get requests for the 1JZ manifolds/turbokits but if you are serious and we can get a few more people we can do it. Typically we will require an initial order of (10) manifolds. The EFR turbos really have a huge benefit becuase they make the manifolds much less expensive. The Wastegate ports are actually the most time consuming and labor intensive part of the manifold fabrication

Stoked to see the new EFR turbo on the dyno and the track! Let us know when you get the pricing finished on those R14 kits.

We are finally finishing up the details on the R14 conversions, and it looks like pricing will be $4800. That includes everything needed for the swap except your S14 and the donor GTR clip

PoorMans180SX
11-22-2010, 05:17 PM
We are finally finishing up the details on the R14 conversions, and it looks like pricing will be $4800. That includes everything needed for the swap except your S14 and the donor GTR clip

Wow, this is a lot cheaper than I was expecting. Nice job!

Waiting for EFR dyno...:yum:

ross.cottrill
11-23-2010, 06:40 AM
^^^^^^x2 on efr dyno please!!!

nathanong87
11-29-2010, 08:14 AM
incredible....

PoorMans180SX
12-22-2010, 09:27 AM
Any dyno time yet?

howyfeltersnatch
01-22-2011, 03:13 PM
so whats the car been up to since?

FullRaceGeoff
02-02-2011, 10:26 PM
the car is undergoing surgery... again. Currently she is getting a carbonetic rear LSD, sunroof is going away, Kognition rear wing will be installed, and a diet all the way around. Id like to pull 200 lbs out, so there is a lot of work to do!

the big fun is the EFR 8374 w/ 42mm dual internal wastegate :) by removing the 2 wastegates, dumptubes and WG ports, that was a big chunk of weight and complexity just disappeared

turbo2nr
02-03-2011, 08:56 AM
dual internal wastegate you say?? 0_o

must explain with pictures please! just curious to how the turbine housing will look.

Sleepy_Steve
02-03-2011, 09:36 AM
What kinda weight numbers are you trying to get down to with it? 2400lbs wet and ready to race?

FullRaceGeoff
02-04-2011, 01:45 PM
The car we had in the BorgWarner SEMA booth was a Full-Race equipped R34 GTR w/ EFR 8374 .92 a/r twinscroll and 42mm dual internal wastegate. The car is running well on 91 octane right now and the owner is absolutely blown away by the powerband. This is his 3rd R34 GTR, all have been extremely modified - and he said none of them have been anything like this. some photos from: http://autoholics.com/2010/11/05/BorgWarner-is-Serious-About-Turbo-Power-305516

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/story_images/1/1223/321/3055160006_large.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/story_images/1/1223/321/3055160007_large.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs379.ash2/65720_479684977526_157954962526_7362514_654687_n.j pg
^^^^^the header is of course a Full-Race twinscroll, but without wastegate ports saves $400

and video (it sounds amazing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8JMwiwams8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THOPY9uXrv0

dual internal wastegate you say?? 0_o must explain with pictures please! just curious to how the turbine housing will look.

here are some photos to explain:

http://www.full-race.com/store/images/full/borgwarner-efr-8374-turbo-content-10.jpg

http://www.full-race.com/store/images/full/borgwarner-efr-8374-turbo-content-9.jpg

http://www.full-race.com/store/images/full/borgwarner-efr-8374-turbo-content-11.jpg

this gate works really well - and saves a lot of $$ -- (2) wastegates, (2) 1.5" dumptubes, (4) stainless flanges, (4) vband clamps and a shit load of work/weight/complexity


What kinda weight numbers are you trying to get down to with it? 2400lbs wet and ready to race?

to be honest, the RB engines and driveline are sooo heavy compared to the typical SR setups, i think i can get my street car down to 2900 (power windows, radio/speakers, etc). I am slowly working on my racecar to reach 2500, but it wont be ready for a track until 2012. need to get the street car where im content with it before i can focus 100% on the race car

turbo2nr
02-04-2011, 03:14 PM
hmm very interesting.. so all this dual wastegate design will work just as well as two 38/44 mm wastegates??

curious what about lower boost pressure say 10-14psi.. is its stil as efficient??

so the way it works is that it expell's exhaust gasses from both ends of the twinsrcoll?

or is it two ports one for each scroll?

FullRaceGeoff
02-04-2011, 05:08 PM
On a twinscroll setup you really dont want mixing between cylinders, thats how twinscroll spools so fast; there is less header volume and no negative interactions between exhaust events.

The way the EFR internal wastegate works is one port for each scroll -- the object is to keep the flow paths completely divided for maximum efficiency. It works well at all boost levels, 10psi to 30psi

irritatedmax
02-04-2011, 07:32 PM
When you do reckon pricing will be released?

Om1kron
02-04-2011, 07:43 PM
I think you got everything up for sale on your store right now for the sr20, these will fit on your current twin scroll manifolds, but I didn't see any options to remove the external wastegate ports.

FullRaceGeoff
02-05-2011, 03:08 PM
Borg Warner EFR turbos with specs and pricing are HERE
(http://www.full-race.com/store/turbos/borgwarner-efr/)

An EFR specific manifold with no wastegate port saves $400 off the twinscroll dual wastegate manifold's price. thanks guys

turbo2nr
02-15-2011, 01:49 PM
updates??

any efr turbos on a ka24 or sr20 yet>?

93sileighty
03-13-2011, 08:41 PM
so are these kits ready to purchase yet?

FullRaceGeoff
03-14-2011, 06:53 PM
so are these kits ready to purchase yet?

YES - Kits are being built now. In fact today we had an official "R14 shop meeting" to ensure our guys in the office and the fab shop had a solid understanding of the fine details and fab work involved with R14 chassis conversions. We had our first customer, Prosper Norbert, install the kit without problems and ran his car last weekend at a local drag race, no problems

updates?? any efr turbos on a ka24 or sr20 yet>?

EFR turbos are mocked up, have not dynoed any of the twinscrolls yet, only singlescrolls. Twinscrolls will arrive in April, and we have TONS of dyno time scheduled

kognition
03-14-2011, 11:05 PM
Hence why i haven't started my build thread here yet. :kiss:

anthonyr sil8ty
03-15-2011, 01:17 AM
damn this car is tits!

teh smithers
03-15-2011, 01:30 AM
Hey Geoff- I remember a long time ago Super street ran a feature on your black EG Civic. That thing was insane! What ever happened to it? And the R14 is equally insane. Good stuff!

GabeS14
03-17-2011, 05:54 PM
Borg Warner EFR turbos with specs and pricing are HERE
(http://www.full-race.com/store/turbos/borgwarner-efr/)

An EFR specific manifold with no wastegate port saves $400 off the twinscroll dual wastegate manifold's price. thanks guys

Hey I just spoke to one of your guys about pre-ordering the BW7670 twinscroll, turbo.


when will the sr20det twinscroll manifold be ready? for Sr20det the person on the phone said they are not available for SR's yet!?
I am hoping to place my order for turbo and mani withing the next week or so.