suspension overhaul

[redline racer510]

Ok i have a 90 s13 hathback thats going to be mostly driven on the streets and maybe 4-5 days out of the year on the track. I am putting all the parts together and have read up on verything that must be replaced in order for the car to handle decently so far these are all the parts i have and if anyone wants to give me tips on what else i need or any recommendations please do so. So here's the list:
Brakes:
Front:300zx 30mm calipers with 350z track rotors and hawk hps pads (stainless braided lines) blank rotors no drilled or slotted
Rear:300zx calipers with blank rotors, hawk hps pads, stainless braided lines.
Using a tokico 17/16's BMC with ATE blue brake fluid and stock booster

Suspension:
Front: nismo power brace, replace all front bushings with energy or moog bushings, new moog ball joints, circuit sport front strut bar, godspeed swaybar with energy end-link bushings, tein inner-outer tie-rod, Godspeed rs coilovers F+B(borrowing from a friend until i can get decent C/O)
Rear: godspeed swaybar with energy endlink bushings, all oem upper and lower control arm bushings with moog balljoint bushings, circuit sports rear strut brace. (yes i am on a buget) no i do not want to save up maybe only on the coilovers.

[slider2828]

Get tires... That is probably the biggest thing you can do... at least RT615's forget federal on the track...

Why godspeed when you can pick up a decent set of Suspension Techniques? You can use Johnny Fraz Front A arm bolt on for much cheaper and do Fender Braces with the savings.

Get rid of those HPS, totally junk. HP+'s are night and day. HPS is really junk just pay the 20 extra bux to really help you break.

As per coils, why not do tokio blues with some springs... Last you longer, good ride, and good valving...

[bo2o]

godspeed sways arent that bad i liked them. make car more predictable.


havnt heard much good about those godspeed coilovers tho. but if there free then handle i guess. it should make car fill better then stock. as long as your lowered.

for breaks. hawk are loud... and dusty. and kill rotors.

get cheap blanks and try all the pads out. im going to try pbr ceramics front and semi rears. not bad reviews same as axxis

[redline racer510]

im thinking about getting the dunlop z1 star spec tires heard great things about them. I driven on both the hps and hp+ the hp+ are a better resistant to fade but the braking isn't a whole lot better that the hps and plus the hps is alot quieter and doesnt make any dust like the HP+

[redline racer510]

getting the 17" 350z wheels with 225/40/17 front and 245 or 255/40/17 back what you think will they fit? The offset is +30 on those 350z wheels.

[redline racer510]

anyone else with opinions???

[HS13KLS]

when I get home I'll post a picture I have 235/45 on my 350z wheels and I like them,I have potenzas up front. I also have the same brake set up. And I'd probably get new coils and st swaybars. Other than that it looks like a good suspension set up. But getting subframe bushings/collars will make a world of a difference. Get good motor/trans mounts and you will have a nice sturdy car.

[Flicktitty]

i just would have just bought a complete bushing kit (prothane is what i went with) i hear it makes a HUGE improvment.

[redline racer510]

prothane ???

[ManoNegra]

I've done energy suspension bushing before and have mixed feelings
I would run them on the swaybars
but not on suspension arms that see travel
too much stiction and binding (LCAs, rear uprights) imo
I'd also do SPL z32 tie rod combo instead of Tien.

[redline racer510]

dont they offer the same type of bushings as energy suspension??

[redline racer510]

how much do the spl's cost?

[redline racer510]

anyway just got my 17" 350z wheels today and man these things are immaculate

[240knockout]

why are you going with blank rotors?

[redline racer510]

because i care more about function than looks and slotted or drilled rotors eat up brake pads like a cheese grater*

[slider2828]

Yah blanks are great! I am running the star specs right now on fronts and they are a little better than RT615, I don't know about wear, but they are definitely good. I think pretty good in the rain too, at least better than RT's.

255's is huge. I don't think you need something that big, unless you have really big HP. Those 350z rims I am sure it will fit, I seem them on S14 and S13's, its nice. But 225's in the front is awesome, better turn in and everything, but you gotta get something good otherwise its not adequate for grip and braking.

I have whiteline bushings all around with tecno toy tuning collars, I have no complaints lol. Your bushings are cracked replace them. On the arms, I dunno know if necessary.

SPLparts.com the are THE top of the line basically. I think the Z32 inner and their outer tie runs about 250 for the setup. If you are going tein, don't waste your time, cause once you lower the car, it does not have the ability to 'stack down' so your tie rod is parallel to the road. Teins are pretty useless, you might as well go S14 inners and moog probably better.....

[redline racer510]

some one told me that the tein's are specifically made for lowered car giving you more steering angle when you turn, what do you think?
I dont really have the money right now for spl products 255 up front thats rediculous the only car i seen in person with tires that wide is my dads e55 amg and he has 245's up front with 285's in the back with michelin PS2 man we hit a sharp turn on the freeway at like 130mph and you cant feel nothing, its like your in a bullit train or something lol.

[redline racer510]

you live in frisco?
i live in richmond man maybe we should meet-up?

[MrChow]

Tein Tie rods are really basically tie rods upgrades, basically better than stock.

How power are you going to having??

Brakes: Well if you set on that how much is that going to be? az brakes are really good stuff too really good prices too and come with everything you need.
Or if your on a budget just keep to z32 all around. Your brakes are only as good ask your tires.
If not can I say try out portfield pads?? Really good pads.

Suspension:
Coilover if your DD spent the money on something good. F--- random stuff. Stance, KTS, etc etc.

Sway bars: I personally have whiteline both on the front and the rear, good stuff. Play with this later in opinion.

Arms??? Not going to be buying arms?? Look up SPC arms great arms and good for DD.

[redline racer510]

wow wow wow the coils are free but until i can get some money to buy some new ones ill jus rock these. What do i need arms for? i am trying to keep it as stock as possibble and im not trying to fit 402/45 17's in the front or anything lol,JP

[slider2828]

Ghetto Richmond or Richmnd district lol... Two very different places. Sure if you wanna chat about shit....

But no really teins are USELESS.... Yes harder bla bla bla, but they just plan sucks if you thinking about lowering your car... Save up for SPL's... Hands down... Turn angle, yah, but that is different from when you lowering your car.... its easier to explain in real life....


Tires... It doesn't matter bro on size, you can get the WIDEST mofo tires on an 8 inch rim, but if the rubber sux, width don't mean SH!T. Also on the E55, the suspension tuning is completely different bro... You can't compare cars like that...

225's and 245's on StarSpecs will handing anything a Stock turbo can dish out....

[redline racer510]

naw ghetto richmond man, yea true dat the e55 is way different so how about just replacing them with stock ones or is the spl ones needed?

[slider2828]

Just stay with stock until you can get SPLs or I currenly run stock with Kazama ends. Tried Megans and the sucked SHIT! Didn't even work really and made noise and stuff... Junk..... I should have just bought SPLs....

[MrChow]

wow wow wow the coils are free but until i can get some money to buy some new ones ill jus rock these. What do i need arms for? i am trying to keep it as stock as possibble and im not trying to fit 402/45 17's in the front or anything lol,JP
Well your lowering your car. So your alignment is going to be messed up and the only way to adjusted your alignment is to get arms.
http://zilvia.net/f/advertiser-specials-sales/175487-alignment-special-spc-camber-kits-toe-kits-caster-kits-only-best.html

[Anomas23]

Just order shit from Japan. It's used but cheap shit!

[redline racer510]

guys im only dropping the car around 2.5 inches im not going to be tucking anything. The streets around here suck and now most streets have speed bumps to prevent racing and shit.Do you guys really think i need to get aftermarket get arms? Which ones do i really need?

[redline racer510]

arent the stock eccentric bolt good enough?

[Anomas23]

Dude if its a money issue, then i would say go ahead and just heat up the stock shit and cut it. if it isn't, go full way adjustable and lower it to w/e spec u want. as far as getting after market arms, you don't need any of that just to lower your car.

[redline racer510]

thats the straight forward answer i was looking for thankyou.

[MrChow]

guys im only dropping the car around 2.5 inches im not going to be tucking anything. The streets around here suck and now most streets have speed bumps to prevent racing and shit.Do you guys really think i need to get aftermarket get arms? Which ones do i really need?
Yes. When you lower it about that much your camber turns out to be about -3.2 to -2.8 and your toes is weird..

arent the stock eccentric bolt good enough? That doesn't work on the rear. Mult-link rear.

[Def]

guys im only dropping the car around 2.5 inches im not going to be tucking anything. The streets around here suck and now most streets have speed bumps to prevent racing and shit.Do you guys really think i need to get aftermarket get arms? Which ones do i really need?

You can get some eBay arms and replace the rod ends for not that much.

I'd reccomend some Koni yellows and GC coilovers over any cheap coilovers.

[slider2828]

BS... you don't need aftermarket arms worth crap... If you really dump it then yes, but 2.5" should be ok. any lower and you will nee RUCAs and rear toe... but over its all good....

Nah I tend not to have people come to my place in general, so we could meet and chill lol....

[MrChow]

BS... you don't need aftermarket arms worth crap... If you really dump it then yes, but 2.5" should be ok. any lower and you will nee RUCAs and rear toe... but over its all good....

Nah I tend not to have people come to my place in general, so we could meet and chill lol....
I also forget that S14 and S13 are a bit different when it comes to the rears..

[slider2828]

Yup yup... MrChow!!!!!!! I was just at Marina over the weekend... Man I gotta pm yah next time I head out there... Have you been checking out any AutoX's there?

[MrChow]

You should of I would of when. Yeah I've auto-x here and there.

[redline racer510]

alright im getting all confused. What will happen if i kept all the arms stock and just changed my tierod inner/outer?

[redline racer510]

slider282 your saying that with 235/45 front and 245/45 rear and a 2.5 inch drop they should fit fine?

[redline racer510]

no people at your place lol what you hidin 500kilos of drugs lol
JP its cool maybe we can meet some preordained place, its up to you.

[slider2828]

well tire fitment depends on rims you got... If you had a +0 offset you couldn't run a 195 without a roll lol! It just depends on SPEC....

Well its just to protect myself, people be stealing 240's left and right you know.... Nothing on a 2.5" drop.... So dun worry.... Any further, your your stock toe in the rear and your rear camber arm can't adjust for the camber that you will get from dropping your car....

But at 2.5" you will get some camber in the wheels that you can't adjust for so you will have camber wear on your tires....

[Kalashnikov]

Big brake is good.

[unlegendary]

Powered by MAX EVERYTHING lol, and SPL Parts. Baller is the way to go. Also, Federal tires for cheap performance tires or any upgrade for tires on a budget. I recommend powered by max because they actually make their shit, drift on it until it breaks, then make a better improved version. You don't have to drift on it but you can count on the durability and newer designs every 2 years or so to fit the trend of every driver.

For the brakes, you can get 350z calipers with custom brackets, r33 calipers with r33 rotors or Powered by MAX rotors, or the ones you suggested. Bigger brakes is the shit.

If you guys talk about tire sizes, this thread will fail.

[Def]

Federal tires are very meh for any kind of performance driving other than drifting. Good tires are pretty much the best way to improve the cornering performance of a car, so at least look into something along the lines of a Falken RT-615 or Dunlop Z1 Star Spec.

[slider2828]

StarSpec > RT's....

[redline racer510]

the star spec is somewhat equivalent to potenza re-01 but with better tread wear and more road noise

[redline racer510]

yeah your right they are stealin alot of nice 240's in and around my area if i catch a mofo tryin to jack my car im not going to call the police im going to let my pit loose and chase after him with my truck and run him down and drop him off at north richmond all fu(ked-up

[slider2828]

Exactly.... Starspecs are awesome.... Ask downshift_sideways, he had a shotgun in his hand when some dude try to steal his car....

[redline racer510]

Thats what its all about
No cops, just say i found him like that.
lol naw really i woudn't get cops involved they dont do sh!t they will probably let him go the next day because of lack of evidence or some sh!t

[MrChow]

hehe a good alarm is a good thing too. I've had my car broken into in a "low crime" area.

Dumb kids.

[redline racer510]

yea i got one of those paging alarms from viper