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sofo259
02-18-2008, 08:14 PM
I just finished doing my swap and got everything ready to start.. the motor is getting both fuel and spark, but no start.. i have checked grounds and checked coilpacks, the only thing i can think of now is 2 little plugs i have left..

the 2 plugs left are on the passenger side, a little grey one and a small maroon or brown one, and im not talking about the large plugs for the fuel pump relay and that stuff..

what are these 2 plugs for ?? and do they have anything to do with me not starting ??

and does anyone have any suggestions ???

i have tried unplugging the MAF, and nothing changed..

i have checked, and triple checked the wiring i did last night, with 3 different wiring diagrams in front of me.. so i wouldnt think thats the problem...

just to add, my ignitor chip is grounded, and each coilpack is grounded...

Z U L8R
02-18-2008, 11:12 PM
your fuel return line comes off the fuel pressure regulator right?

Dave =]

D.Bo
02-18-2008, 11:18 PM
your timing could be way off causin it not to start. play with you cas see if it does anythin

mnmax
02-18-2008, 11:24 PM
your timing could be way off causin it not to start. play with you cas see if it does anythin
more than likely that is your cause, so break out your timing light and have a buddy try cranking it a couple times to see where you end up. for it to start you need to be 15 degrees btdc for your cylinder 1 spark.

sofo259
02-18-2008, 11:33 PM
thanks guys..

im gonna check it tomorrow..

if the timing is not the issue, what else do you guys think of ??

mnmax
02-18-2008, 11:43 PM
well you said that you got fuel and spark... air is always there(depending on if you're running and you either get enough or too much), timing just seems to be the only thing that's holding you back. oh yeh... becareful not to flood your engine when working on your timing, it can fuck with a lot of sensors when doing that

slw240sx
02-19-2008, 01:03 AM
check your timing, and triple check it, then do a boost leak test, we just had a car that wouldn't fire up, but it had both fuel and spark and timing was correc. ended up being a few air leaks adding up to the not firing. Throttle body was leaking, two ripped couplers and somthing else wasn't hooked up.

jon

mnmax
02-19-2008, 03:51 AM
check your timing, and triple check it, then do a boost leak test, we just had a car that wouldn't fire up, but it had both fuel and spark and timing was correc. ended up being a few air leaks adding up to the not firing. Throttle body was leaking, two ripped couplers and somthing else wasn't hooked up.

jon
this is actually right... with anybody doing a fresh swap, it's easy to miss tightening down things you wouldn't think twice about. so yeah check your couplings and any cracks in your intake manifold that could result in a lack of air pressure or vacuum

sofo259
02-19-2008, 03:03 PM
alright ill check couplings.. the motor was running last thursday, so i hope its something small..

im about to go check the spark plugs, couplings, and a few grounds, also im gonna drain all the gas in the car, and fill it with fresh 93octane.. i have no idea how long the gas in the car has been sitting..

jskateborders
02-19-2008, 03:37 PM
there are really 5 main things that you check if your motor isnt running
air
fuel
spark
compression
timing

sofo259
02-19-2008, 06:24 PM
well i can def take 4 things off that list, cause i have spark, fuel, air, and compression is good...

sofo259
02-19-2008, 07:18 PM
these are the 2 plugs
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/86GAtoy/plug.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/86GAtoy/plug2.jpg

slim
02-19-2008, 08:21 PM
the plug with the larger gauge wires is for the ac fan and the smaller one is for the ac drier.

WISH ONE
02-19-2008, 08:31 PM
i had this same problem but i have too much fuel. the wiring on the two plugs behind the battery was all hacked up and the fuel pump was constantly running non stop with key on.

sofo259
02-19-2008, 09:41 PM
i put fres 93 octane in it just now, tried again, and nothing...

i checked timing, and at TDC the CAS is pointing straight down, with a very small tilt to the left (or front of motor)

mnmax
02-19-2008, 09:50 PM
i put fres 93 octane in it just now, tried again, and nothing...

i checked timing, and at TDC the CAS is pointing straight down, with a very small tilt to the left (or front of motor)

i'm not exactly too sure at this point but i believe that is your problem right there. try to 180 your CAS, then it should fire right up... from there you can adjust it while it's running to get it firing right.

sofo259
02-19-2008, 09:54 PM
i have been trying to figure out where TDC is on the CAS for the past 20minutes...

anyone have a link.. that can help me..

the best i found was the timing mark on teh cas, inside, on the timing gear should be straight up...

Z U L8R
02-19-2008, 10:00 PM
to set it up
bring the motor to tdc, you can take a flashlight and peek through the oil filler cap on the valve cover and see if the intake cam lobe for cylinder 1 is facing towards the intake manifold. line up the mark in the housing with the pin that holds the gear on it, by the divot or yellow paint mark, then push it in.

Dave

sofo259
02-19-2008, 10:28 PM
i just checked that.. its all lined up, so im positive im in time now...

so timing is right, fuel and spark is good, the only thing i can think of now, is the hacked up harness i got...

Z U L8R
02-19-2008, 10:29 PM
k, hit me up and i'll do ur wiring =] marietta's not far ^_^

sofo259
02-19-2008, 11:20 PM
well i sent you a PM dave

lonelydrifter
02-20-2008, 10:48 AM
I had this same problem, and after much work found that my cams were in the right positions but they were not matched with the stroke of the pistons. So I wasn't firing on compression stroke. Double check everything and you should be good.

Try to crank it over by hand to let the fuel dry out of the cylindars. If it is fludded it won't start. Make sure you didn't foul out your plugs as well.

Also if you followed the wiring diagram on say FRSport for the wiring up by the front passenger fuse box, then you should be straight. The fact that you have fuel tells me you wired that part right. Maybe you forgot a wire and didn't get the ECU power?

This was my problem, hope this helps.

Onitsukagirl
02-20-2008, 04:43 PM
when I did my swap, I swore up and down to my friends when they asked me if I had the fuel lines backwards that I had them on right, well, I didn't... they were backwards. So, you say you have fuel on the plugs and you are getting spark? The only thing that could stop it is ignition timing. Post a pic of your cam position and the CAS position at TDC. So we all can see how you have it set up.

sofo259
02-20-2008, 08:20 PM
^^ alright ill get a pic tomorrow in day light..

Z U L8R
02-20-2008, 10:58 PM
hehehe, saturday i may be able to go to exit 13 ^,- for some diag time

:P