Looks like Nissan vs Nissan has been settled

[240 2NR]

Caught the end of the story last night on the Nissan vs. Nissan lawsuit.  Looks like Nissan Motors was right in the eyes of the law.  Didn't see if Nissan computer was going to have to pay the $100million, or if he just had to give up nissan.com.

[ca18guy]

Sounds good to me.  Have a link to the whole story on how/why they won.

[240 2NR]

Saw it on the news, though I'm sure some website has the info.

[whateverjames]

that sucks. i wanted the computer guy to win. but oh well, dumbass 13 year olds who can't find nissan motors' website to build their own 350Z can do so now.

[camppain]

*cartman voice*

i hate nissans <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[Titan]

Zee-bop

Story (http://www.ncchelp.org/The_Story/the_story.htm)

[Kreator]

After reading it i lost a good deal of respect for nissan motors &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[chickenmanq]

I tried to tell Nissan Motors that they were being assholes, and the PR person told me Nissan felt they had to defend their name. &nbsp;I wrote them back insisting they stop their asinine campaign at once, and instead focus on building automobiles. &nbsp;They ignored me. &nbsp;I'm thinking of writing another letter to them. &nbsp;Going to see if I still have the Senior PR director's email address. &nbsp;I'll post it if I do.

[chickenmanq]

Checked all my old emails. &nbsp;I don't have it, but I did punch in nissan.com and Nissan Computer came up, so what's that mean?

[SaintlyCharBoy]

i have a feeling that it's just not down yet...

[chickenmanq]

Who's all for writing a letter and submitting it many times, with individual emails? &nbsp;I'm thinking of writing a to the point one pager and then I'll throw it up on a post with directions on where to send it, and you all can copy it into your mail programs and send it too. &nbsp;If you want, you can write your own. &nbsp;I wish I had the guys name, but all I can find is a form on Nissan's site. &nbsp;If you want, I can write a letter and wait to get an email back so we can bombard an individual PR person or higher up at Nissan. &nbsp;It'll make sure all our concerns get read if one person has eighty new messages each day.

What do you think? &nbsp;Basically, I'm going for the shame aspect. &nbsp;Why Nissan Motors is bitching at Nissan Computers instead of making more 240 type vehicles, etc. &nbsp;I need input as well, so post away.

[SR20Fastback]

Talk about the heritage of Datsun and Nissan, and how they were the ones who evolved sports cars and even super cars to a standard today, and wasting time and millions of dollars on a stupid lawsuit is completely pointless. That money could be spent researching a new FASTBACK!!! heh, well it could be put to a lot better use. Add the fact that most people already know to typ www.nissandriven.com or www.nissanusa.com only the ignorant go to the computer place...

[Kreator]

hmm funny how i'm hearing about those sites for the first time. I usually go to courtesy nissan when i need something stock, or just the dealer... or the junkyard... heh.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ Sep. 20 2002,5:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Talk about the heritage of Datsun and Nissan, and how they were the ones who evolved sports cars and even super cars to a standard today, and wasting time and millions of dollars on a stupid lawsuit is completely pointless. That money could be spent researching a new FASTBACK!!! heh, well it could be put to a lot better use. Add the fact that most people already know to typ www.nissandriven.com or www.nissanusa.com only the ignorant go to the computer place...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The ignorant are ussually the ones that never owned nissan, would'nt you want first time buyers coming to your website? &nbsp;You guys might not believe it but it probably was costing them money not to own nissan.com, thats why they wanted the website in the first place.

[chickenmanq]

I totally believe it (advertising major) however, I really disagree with how they went about it. &nbsp;Had they choosen a more calm manner, they probably would have gotten it without having to get nasty. &nbsp;Besides that, Nissan computers is a legitimate company, therefore there's no reason they should have to give up their rightful name.

[-E-]

Nissan lost and Nissan won shit, what will Nissan do now that Nissan got the webstie "Nissan" I feel sorry for Nissan <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[Titan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Sep. 20 2002,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I totally believe it (advertising major) however, I really disagree with how they went about it. Had they choosen a more calm manner, they probably would have gotten it without having to get nasty. Besides that, Nissan computers is a legitimate company, therefore there's no reason they should have to give up their rightful name.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Exactly... I mean instead of wasting millions on a lawsuit, why wouldn't Nissan Motors just offer the owner of Nissan Computers like $50,000 for the domain name?

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Titan @ Sep. 21 2002,08:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Sep. 20 2002,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I totally believe it (advertising major) however, I really disagree with how they went about it. Had they choosen a more calm manner, they probably would have gotten it without having to get nasty. Besides that, Nissan computers is a legitimate company, therefore there's no reason they should have to give up their rightful name.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Exactly... I mean instead of wasting millions on a lawsuit, why wouldn't Nissan Motors just offer the owner of Nissan Computers like $50,000 for the domain name?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I can't find any news that nissan motors won this case, so I'm not sure how true this whole thread is. &nbsp;I did find that nissan comp. did win a "cyber-squatting" case a few years ago but that was old news, that case made them put the not associated with nissan motor banner. &nbsp; Nissan comp. &nbsp;did offer to sell the site for a large amount of money, they also fail to mention that the site used to have banner ads to other auto manufactures so they could profit from the confusion. I wonder what the courts really said, i can't find a damn news link.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ Sep. 21 2002,04:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I totally believe it (advertising major) however, I really disagree with how they went about it. Had they choosen a more calm manner, they probably would have gotten it without having to get nasty. Besides that, Nissan computers is a legitimate company, therefore there's no reason they should have to give up their rightful name.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Nissan trademarked "nissan"
Nissan Computers is the correct company name for them, nissan offered to pay for a www.nissancomputers.com but they declined.

[chickenmanq]

Hmm. &nbsp;I didn't know that. &nbsp;Makes me feel a little better then. &nbsp;Although you can still support either side. &nbsp;nissan.com doesn't have to refer to the automotive being it is a family name, but I see your point. &nbsp;Perhaps I won't waste my time writing a letter. &nbsp;Offering to buy them another domain name that didn't detract from the company is quite nice.

[Kreator]

Yeah ok, that evens out the sides. But honestly. Who the fuck is Nissan Motorsports to tell someone to surrender their address just becaust it's the same name as the Nissan Motorsports? Is there a rule or something that i can' register a domain with the name of some large corporation? I mean, the guy was smart enough to register the domain name. Is that illegal? Now is it illegal to put advertisments on yer site? So what that they happen to be motor company advertisments and take away some profit from nissan motors? I'd do the same thing if i saw money coming from it. Nissan motors missed the opportunity to register the domain. So they tried to get it back. They offered money. The guy refused. It's his right. So nissan dragged this crap to court. Reason? i don't see any. Basicly nissan is trying to get money for their own screw up using the fact that they are a big corporation. They are interrested in maximizing profits. That guy is interrested to. He gets a shit load of traffic from the unsuspecting people that look for nissan motors. And i wouldn't give it up in his place.

On the side note. Have you ever mistyped a URL address and got to some porno site? Happens to me. That's along the lines of using popular names to generate traffic for your own site. I don't see anything illeagal in that.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Sep. 21 2002,1:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah ok, that evens out the sides. But honestly. Who the fuck is Nissan Motorsports to tell someone to surrender their address just becaust it's the same name as the Nissan Motorsports? Is there a rule or something that i can' register a domain with the name of some large corporation? I mean, the guy was smart enough to register the domain name. Is that illegal? Now is it illegal to put advertisments on yer site? So what that they happen to be motor company advertisments and take away some profit from nissan motors? I'd do the same thing if i saw money coming from it. Nissan motors missed the opportunity to register the domain. So they tried to get it back. They offered money. The guy refused. It's his right. So nissan dragged this crap to court. Reason? i don't see any. Basicly nissan is trying to get money for their own screw up using the fact that they are a big corporation. They are interrested in maximizing profits. That guy is interrested to. He gets a shit load of traffic from the unsuspecting people that look for nissan motors. And i wouldn't give it up in his place.

On the side note. Have you ever mistyped a URL address and got to some porno site? Happens to me. That's along the lines of using popular names to generate traffic for your own site. I don't see anything illeagal in that.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'm assuming there basing there case on the fact the have "nissan" trademarked. Registering large company names and demanding large amounts of cash from them for naming rights is illegal, but all i could find was nissan computers was found not guilty of cybersquating (the above practice) So for most of the stuff you asked if it's illegal, most likely yes. Both sides don't look good (what? both sides don't look good in a lawsuit, no that can't be) Does the guy that owns www.nissan.com also have to own www.nissan.net, why does he need to hog up both? This whole thread is still worthless with out updated info on how/why/if/which nissan won.

[Kreator]

True, but are u saying that I can't register a domain name just because it matches the name of some other company?I've never heard of that. And i don't think it makes sence. Yeah it's greedy of the guy to also register www.nissan.net in his name, but again i don't see any crime in this. First come first serve. Example: go to www.nismo.com. That site belogs to Japancarparts.com. And they are actually selling car related stuff. I dont see nissan sueing them... I just wondered on that so i might be completely off here....

Also i don't think that registering the name and asking the price for it is illegal. It's business. If you weren't fast enough to register the domain first and really need it, then you gotta pay for your mistakes. And it's a sort of a monopoly, cuz u can't get it from anyone else, so you either pay what you are asked or u don't pay at all.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Sep. 21 2002,2:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">True, but are u saying that I can't register a domain name just because it matches the name of some other company?I've never heard of that. And i don't think it makes sence. Yeah it's greedy of the guy to also register www.nissan.net in his name, but again i don't see any crime in this. First come first serve. Example: go to www.nismo.com. That site belogs to Japancarparts.com. And they are actually selling car related stuff. I dont see nissan sueing them... I just wondered on that so i might be completely off here....

Also i don't think that registering the name and asking the price for it is illegal. It's business. If you weren't fast enough to register the domain first and really need it, then you gotta pay for your mistakes. And it's a sort of a monopoly, cuz u can't get it from anyone else, so you either pay what you are asked or u don't pay at all.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yes it illegal if done with misintentions. I don't write the laws <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Cybersquatting Laws made by your Gov'nt (http://www.utexas.edu/law/journals/tiplj/volumes/vol8iss2/borgman.html)

It would also be illegal to setup something like www.buynissanparts.com if you did'nt get nissan's permission or start a www.nissandriven.tv or some other odd dot add on.

[Kreator]

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/7eefd136/clinton_leader.jpg

Yeah, those laws are gay, but since they are in place, my argument is withdrawn. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[HippoSleek]

I couldn't find anything on this either, but I trust the poster... for some reason.

For those of you whining for poor Uzi, do a search and take a look at some information that is NOT on his website. Like how on his nissan.com site, we had banners for car stuff. That has a lot to do with computers, right? Of maybe he was just making money off the brand by having advertisers pay him for diverting traffic that rightfully should have gone to the car people.

As far as settlement, I've said once and I'll say again, people don't spend millions on lawyers (likely not too many millions in this case) w/o offering a settlement first. It just doesn't happen... oh yeah - and courts and federal law mandate settlement conferences. But little Uzi started getting his fees paid so he rolled with it as the David trying to parasitically make money off Goliath.

Some less biased info (http://www.arthurlaw.com/news.htm)

[Kreator]

Hmm well, I still don't get the part why can't u register a domain name with the name of some large corparation if they haven't registered it yet. 2 sites maybe is going overboard, but one seems fine to me. It's a free country, aint it?

[gabossie]

Well, I still think that from what I have heard, that Nissan USA was totally wrong. Even if Nissan Comp. had ads for other car companies an parts, welcome to capitalism. Although it may not have been the most moral and friendly thing to do, it was smart advertising in a money point of view. It's like having a WB billboard outside of Disneyland, it would be a jerky thing to do, but not against the law by any means. If Nissan Comp. really lost, I am very disapointed. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gabossie @ Sep. 23 2002,08:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, I still think that from what I have heard, that Nissan USA was totally wrong. Even if Nissan Comp. had ads for other car companies an parts, welcome to capitalism. Although it may not have been the most moral and friendly thing to do, it was smart advertising in a money point of view. It's like having a WB billboard outside of Disneyland, it would be a jerky thing to do, but not against the law by any means. If Nissan Comp. really lost, I am very disapointed. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I take it you did'nt read one link concerning cybersquatting laws I or Hippo put up. &nbsp;I'm done going over it, let the courts worry about it.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gabossie @ Sep. 22 2002,2:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, I still think that from what I have heard, that Nissan USA was totally wrong. Even if Nissan Comp. had ads for other car companies an parts, welcome to capitalism. Although it may not have been the most moral and friendly thing to do, it was smart advertising in a money point of view. It's like having a WB billboard outside of Disneyland, it would be a jerky thing to do, but not against the law by any means. If Nissan Comp. really lost, I am very disapointed. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Bad analogy... really bad. &nbsp;

See, Uzi was using the name Nissan for a particular location that was no the Nissan people were looking for. &nbsp;Actually, it would be like setting up a place called "Disneyland" to lure people in. &nbsp;When you get there, they actually sell used tires. &nbsp;BUT - they will direct you to Magic Mountain, a rival neighbor park, or NON-Disney companies selling Disney-like merchandise. &nbsp;

Is that still fair to either the consumer or the company they were looking for in the first place?

[DuceDual0]

ahha nice nissan court law suit! aha

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Sep. 23 2002,10:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gabossie @ Sep. 22 2002,2:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, I still think that from what I have heard, that Nissan USA was totally wrong. Even if Nissan Comp. had ads for other car companies an parts, welcome to capitalism. Although it may not have been the most moral and friendly thing to do, it was smart advertising in a money point of view. It's like having a WB billboard outside of Disneyland, it would be a jerky thing to do, but not against the law by any means. If Nissan Comp. really lost, I am very disapointed. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Bad analogy... really bad.

See, Uzi was using the name Nissan for a particular location that was no the Nissan people were looking for. Actually, it would be like setting up a place called "Disneyland" to lure people in. When you get there, they actually sell used tires. BUT - they will direct you to Magic Mountain, a rival neighbor park, or NON-Disney companies selling Disney-like merchandise.

Is that still fair to either the consumer or the company they were looking for in the first place?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No, but many things aren't fair. If you are too slow to register a domain that u like, it's yer fault. If i got quick thinking and got there before you, it's MY property now. I can do whatever i want and i can post whatever ads i want that can bring me money. and it doesn't exclude rival ads. I understand that the laws exist, yet i don't think they are correct. First come first serve. Plus uzi did offer to sell the site. Nissan motors didn't like it... means they didn't need it that bad.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Sep. 24 2002,07:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Sep. 23 2002,10:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gabossie @ Sep. 22 2002,2:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, I still think that from what I have heard, that Nissan USA was totally wrong. Even if Nissan Comp. had ads for other car companies an parts, welcome to capitalism. Although it may not have been the most moral and friendly thing to do, it was smart advertising in a money point of view. It's like having a WB billboard outside of Disneyland, it would be a jerky thing to do, but not against the law by any means. If Nissan Comp. really lost, I am very disapointed. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Bad analogy... really bad.

See, Uzi was using the name Nissan for a particular location that was no the Nissan people were looking for. Actually, it would be like setting up a place called "Disneyland" to lure people in. When you get there, they actually sell used tires. BUT - they will direct you to Magic Mountain, a rival neighbor park, or NON-Disney companies selling Disney-like merchandise.

Is that still fair to either the consumer or the company they were looking for in the first place?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No, but many things aren't fair. If you are too slow to register a domain that u like, it's yer fault. If i got quick thinking and got there before you, it's MY property now. I can do whatever i want and i can post whatever ads i want that can bring me money. and it doesn't exclude rival ads. I understand that the laws exist, yet i don't think they are correct. First come first serve. Plus uzi did offer to sell the site. Nissan motors didn't like it... means they didn't need it that bad.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Your looking at it from the wrong perspective. &nbsp;You see it like the internet is unchartered terroritory that the first person to stake claim wins. &nbsp;The laws make sure copywrite laws are upheld and extortion isn't happening. &nbsp;The laws benifit consumers (us) and companys, not greedy nerds that hog up domain names. I don't see how they could not be a law. &nbsp;Cybersquatting is decietful and dirty, I'm glad its illegal. &nbsp;Is Uzi Nissan guilty of cybersquatting, as I said on the first page who knows..... still no link.

[ca18guy]

Sorry to bumb a dead subject but I found a new article. &nbsp;Looks like this was'nt settled and we won't know a winner til November.

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/10/02/duelingnissans.ap/index.html" target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2002....ex.html</a>

[/etc/shadow]

To all the dissenters who hate the fact that nissan motors sued nissan computers, keep in mind that if they notice a trademark violation and fail to do anything about it for a certain legal period of time, then anyone else can start using their trademark and they have a much harder time defending it.