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Tearlessj
05-24-2007, 01:14 AM
Earlier this year I bought a 93 240sx with 80,000 miles for $400. Well a week ago I tried to remove the front wheels for a 5 lug swap. Well, I broke a rachet. Went to get the x-bar and jumped on it. Then what do you know, the freakin lug stripped. Its completely round. This really sucks, I dont care if it just breaks off. I just need it off, anyone have any advice?

O3DigitalBath
05-24-2007, 01:18 AM
drill it out.

after you drill it put a punch in it and smack it a few times it will break off.


or depending on the wheel design, just use a cutoff wheel and cut it off.

breakindrifts
05-24-2007, 01:25 AM
You can also try easy-out sockets, they sell stuff like that at sears and pep-boys. Comes in handy to have a set for stripped bolts.

Orrr take it to a good tire-place, they can probably extract it for you.

wootwoot
05-24-2007, 01:32 AM
Can you do this on 240's? Ive never had to deal with the hubs so I dont know....Can you grind the back of the stud off to where it falls off?...How you do it on some other cars.

But now you learn your lesson, dont jump on shit. Sharp/sudden movements break stuff. Dont do that. This is why I dont like air tools to a degree but even they are more gentle then simply say hitting a ratchet end with a hammer.

longdy
05-24-2007, 01:37 AM
^ what they said... lol good luck

breakindrifts
05-24-2007, 01:44 AM
Can you do this on 240's? Ive never had to deal with the hubs so I dont know....Can you grind the back of the stud off to where it falls off?


The dust shield is in the way, unless its been cut off you might have a chance, but that is still going to be difficult.

Tearlessj
05-24-2007, 03:31 AM
Ill try all of the above. Its the stock tear drops and the lugnut is way in there.

707coupe
05-24-2007, 04:53 AM
12 point socket. find size that barely fits around lugnut. then take next size smaller 12 point socket, hammer it on lugnut. that's it. you basicaly have to find the right socket and sacrifice it.

GSXRJJordan
05-24-2007, 05:47 AM
You're not going to be able to get the stud to just 'fall off' by grinding it from the back, because it's pressed into the hub. You'd have a hell of a time taking off the dust shield and getting in there to pound it out with a wheel on.

You're going to have to get that lugnut to turn, so try easy-outs, or the 12pt socket (either 1mm smaller or an SAE size slightly smaller) hammer-on idea. It's going to be a bitch.

The last option is to drill it out, but this is tricky. Since you're ditching those hubs anyway you don't have to worry about aligning the drill bit perfectly in the center, but it's still tough to do, and will take a while (studs are actually pretty damn hard metal).

Good luck, have fun :)

qwikspool
05-24-2007, 05:53 AM
i ditto drilling that thing out. you shouldnt have jump on it. take it to a tire shop or just ask one of the mechanics that work there. g/l

drifting_changed_mylife
05-24-2007, 06:31 AM
Heat It Up And Slap The Shit Out Of It With A Hammer!!!!

01SaturnL200
05-24-2007, 06:37 AM
12 point socket. find size that barely fits around lugnut. then take next size smaller 12 point socket, hammer it on lugnut. that's it. you basicaly have to find the right socket and sacrifice it.

thats what we had to do at sears :)

cotbu
05-24-2007, 06:42 AM
Get sockets that grab the sidewalls, or smaller socket then hammer it on.
Impact gun...
If those options fail? Get a small chisel and chisel the lug, one side should be enough.

aznpoopy
05-24-2007, 07:13 AM
sacrifice a socket
use a craftsman bolt out spiral tap(wheel design allowing)
or weld something onto it at a shop

DJ_Sunrise
05-24-2007, 08:15 AM
i second sacrificing a socket.. usually works for me. cheapest way to do it if you dont already have a torch or easy out sockets... most shops ive heard of doing this wind up killing a socket. if you dont want to f*** around with it, take it to a dealership. believe it or not its cheaper than at a tire place... atleast in my area anyways...


-Bart

pbcstylez
05-24-2007, 03:00 PM
easy out sockets $20 at sears does the job

rewplayff
05-24-2007, 03:07 PM
that happened to me before with cheap tuner lugs. the wheel place was able to take the wheel off with the hub and he just grinded it out like you said. but thats becuase the lug nut was spinning becuase the stud spline was already off the seat.

also when i had the fc we just kept drilling the shit out of the lug nut till it was nothing and just chiselled it away.

89dc240
05-24-2007, 03:10 PM
The welding something on is a good idea. Just don't strip that out too, lol. Or take a socket like said above, hammer it on, then hit it up, down and sideways, lug should break and either fall off or come off easy.

dopeassjackson
05-24-2007, 03:31 PM
if you doing a 5lug swap just take the damn whole hub off with the wheel still on it.

swayray
05-24-2007, 04:15 PM
we use spiral tap sockets here at work... they come in various sizes depending on your lugnuts...

works really well w/ an impact gun...

Tearlessj
05-31-2007, 05:49 AM
Well, Victory is mine!!! Me-1 Lugnut-0. Well now thats over with, any 5-lug reccomendations? :coold:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/tearlessj/d-4.jpg

DrtyRat
05-31-2007, 06:22 AM
if you doing a 5lug swap just take the damn whole hub off with the wheel still on it.
why don't u tell me how he'll get to the nut,that holds the hub on(the lagre 30mm +/- one) , if the wheel is still on.

DrtyRat
05-31-2007, 06:28 AM
Well, Victory is mine!!! Me-1 Lugnut-0. Well not thats over with, any 5-lug reccomendations? :coold:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/tearlessj/d-4.jpg
on my s13 i went w/ichiba fronts(250.00shipped) & S14 rears(75.00 on a local buy)

5t341tH
12-27-2008, 09:05 PM
Bumping an old thread so i dont clutter with another one.
i have muteki sr48 lug nut and its siezed onto the stud. im assuming the stud's splines are rounded out as well because i can push the lugnut/stud in/out and side to side.
i can use my impact and just spin the lugnut without any resistance
is there a way for me to remove the lugnut/stud while the wheel is still on? i dont want to damage my wheel because it is pretty nice, so please any advice?

5t341tH
12-28-2008, 08:29 PM
any advice? i am trying to split the lugnut rite now but its much harden than a normal one. its extended lugnuts with extended studs. it seems like the more i chisel, the more it melts together the stud and nut

ericcastro
12-28-2008, 08:39 PM
ouch man.

If you cant get that brake dust shield thing off and grind the back of the stud?
Your probably stuck trying to take it off from the rim face side.
Split it, drill it.

its pretty trick cause your stud stripped where it connects with the hub, not the lug thread stripping.

Someone on here probably has the best trick in the world, but till they show,....take your time and don't get frustrated. you don't wanna screw up your rim.

if you can get behind the stud and at least grip it with some plyers, you might be able to turn the nut??

5t341tH
12-28-2008, 09:08 PM
yea it sucks. im fuking up my wheel as we speak. its OEM wheel so the lugholes are pretty deep. plus its 9" wheel so i dont have much room to get behind there. its in the rear so theres lots of arms and the dust shield is still there too. i've tried drilling the stud, and splittin the nut but none have worked so far. guess ill just have to keep on it

ericcastro
12-28-2008, 09:10 PM
can you drill through one side of the nut?
might be a little softer metal.

then you could just "peel" it off the stud with a flathead.

yokotas13
12-28-2008, 09:15 PM
the way i did it, when i had a stud spin in the hub is to hook a tow strap up to the wheel, and crank it down pulling the the wheel and weakening the stud. I did this back and forth a few times, then took a hacksaw blade and cut through it.

5t341tH
12-28-2008, 10:27 PM
i read online about taking all nuts off and lower the car onto the stud as to break it but it doesnt seem to work for me. Yokata, how did u fit the blade into the hole of the wheel? mine is much too deep.
well i split about halfway down the stud now. now im at the point where the stud is. how do i get past this point?
heres some pics. cuz pics always nice
this is how far i've gotten
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/9ad5acd7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/d6f3ae9c.jpg
damaged wheel ftl....

all thanks to using this to open it....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/ea5418d4.jpg

ericcastro
12-28-2008, 11:34 PM
can you get a smaller socket to bite onto whats left of the nut?

get it to start twisting again?
or are we beyond that point?
I would try and continue to split down the one side of the nut.

5t341tH
12-29-2008, 12:04 AM
well the nut just spins with the stud, so it doesnt matter if it fits or not. i just need the stud to stay in place so i can just spin the nut. all my chisels have been fuked up so i cant go past this point. i guess i have to keep splitting with new ones

INeedNewTires
12-29-2008, 12:31 AM
sucks dude, should've lubed up the studs... anyway if you have access to a welder put a small tack on the stud in the back of the hub. If you can take the whole hub/wheel/LCA off the car together, you will have alot easier time attacking it, hell you could grind or cutoff the back of the stud that way. kindof a bitch but it sounds like you've been hacking away at the thing for a while now, and youve ruined a few tools. sometimes what seems to take longer is in fact shorter and wont break your tools... gl

ericcastro
12-29-2008, 02:11 AM
thats right, its the stud spinning, not the nut.

i think you might be stuck going through the back too.

Rapier46
12-29-2008, 05:17 PM
well the nut just spins with the stud, so it doesnt matter if it fits or not. i just need the stud to stay in place so i can just spin the nut. all my chisels have been fuked up so i cant go past this point. i guess i have to keep splitting with new ones

I put vice-grips on the back of studs so they don't spin. they need to be tight.

but with it all together...ugh... something of the kind.

Om1kron
12-29-2008, 05:32 PM
easy out sockets $20 at sears does the job

I don't think I paid 20 bucks. but stripped bolt remover and an impact gun saved my life, using a breaker bar will just tq the bolt even more giving it a chance to strip again.

the impact gun is like putting it on and slapping that bitch with a hammer.

Someone put my motor mounts on with impact guns on both cars, and this was the aftermath because of that!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/My%20Cars/1996%20240sx%20Kouki/2008-12-27%20-%20elbow%20grease/2008-12-27015.jpg

5t341tH
12-29-2008, 07:01 PM
this is going to take weeks to chisel by hand. my hands ache and shoulders hurt. there must be a faster way. someone musta made a tool for this... :(

ThunderbaySr20
12-29-2008, 07:17 PM
take the whole hub assembly off, flip it over, weld the stud in place, use a damaged bolt remover socket to pull the nut off

5t341tH
12-29-2008, 10:56 PM
yea im doing that. i dont have access to a welder so i guess i have to go to a muffler shop to help me with that.
heres more pics. its the biggest PITA ever
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/30787bc1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/66facf21.jpg
i tried cutting the stud from the back but its useless as well. i guess i have to turn to some shop to weld it for me.
fuken hate this shit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/10234151.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/c4c73fd8.jpg

240esux
12-29-2008, 11:27 PM
Went to get the x-bar and jumped on it. Then what do you know, the freakin lug stripped. Its completely round.

wow!!!:bash::wtf:. why would you jump on it?:duh:

Tearlessj
12-30-2008, 02:32 AM
wow!!!:bash::wtf:. why would you jump on it?:duh:
Not really jump, just you know. Foot on one side, pull with my hands on the other. Then stomp and pull all in one motion. haha

ericcastro
12-30-2008, 06:44 AM
Well, at least you have a solution.
What a pain though.

When I first got my 240 a couple years ago, I had some similar nuts and bolts underneath.
Having to grind shit so that the 2 oposite sides would be flat, allowing me to grab it with plyers.
Rusted bolts breaking,

Just make sure to replace em with better condition ones since your there. Studs are like a couple bucks each at auto zone.

nissandr1ft
12-30-2008, 08:53 AM
I used a small drill bit into the sides of the nut, eventually the nut broke off in 2 pieces, and I hammered it out like normal... took maybe an 20-30 minutes of drilling. Make sure its the stud thats stripped, and not the hub... if its just the studd you may be able to just press in a new one. If its the hub... you can JB weld, or spot weld the new one from turning.

Om1kron
12-30-2008, 10:12 AM
told you to use an impact... steady tq will heat it up and strip it.

ericcastro
12-30-2008, 01:36 PM
told you to use an impact... steady tq will heat it up and strip it.

Its not a stripped nut.

Its the stud is stripped out and spinning.

He got it all apart.
Now he just needs to finish the thing.

yokotas13
12-30-2008, 03:47 PM
dude, do it like i said

if the wheel is loose on the hub a little bit, put the hacksaw blade BETWEEN the wheel and hub. but that bitch off from there

if its NOT loose ont eh hub, either lower the car on teh wheel with one lug and drive it down the driveway slow a bit to streach the stud, then go at it.

ericcastro
12-30-2008, 03:56 PM
^lol, love it!!

All the talk on here about "the right way to do things", but I love your oldschool methods.
Just be careful and they work great, tried and true :)

INeedNewTires
12-30-2008, 09:02 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/10234151.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/xXaZnrAc3rXx/240/c4c73fd8.jpg

dude your finished with the hard part, now just take a punch and hammer the shit out of it from the back side, it should pop right out.

5t341tH
12-30-2008, 11:30 PM
bah all is well. i got access to a welder and spot welded a bit on the stud. found out i had 2 studs that were stripped so i used my impact and that bitch came off.
the one i been hacking up was more difficult. i had to drill the shit out of the stud until there was nothing left and i just hammered it out.
all is well now. thanks for all the suggestions and advice. i'd +rep but its gone now...