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BLT123 · 04-11-2005, 08:56 AM

Guys, wanted to share this but couldnt find a place to put it in this forum - i'm new here but thought this would help.

A bit of pessimism from myself if this works or not - but it does have a potential to be true.

It seems 2-3 ounces of acetone to 10 gallons of fuel can increase mileage by 15% to 35% depending on car condition.

You can search "Acetone in Gasoline" in Yahoo. There are a couple of sites discussing it. Might be something true!

It's also something that if true, is going to cut into the fuel industry's profits so don't expect any formal announcements from fuel companies.

I have yet to find a negative statement in this. Hoping from feedback

.

mjjstang · 04-11-2005, 09:08 AM

well I dont really have a car I want to try it on, but it would be sweet to go buy a little honda or geo and give it a try, it would be cool to have a car just for gettin around since gas is so expensive, It sounds like the biggest worry people have is the fact that acetone is made up of 5 percent water.

ranisron · 04-11-2005, 09:12 AM

gas is so stupidly expensive...

I guess I'd try it on my altima...

BLT123 · 04-11-2005, 09:28 AM

LOL! Do it on your spare car! I'm going to try it out too. Estimates on Oil by the end of the year is $100 per barrel, fuel will shoot up around 70% in price zzzzzzzzzz....

I really hope it works. Already spending a fortune on fuel.

nissantuner22 · 04-11-2005, 09:52 AM

if you all agree to buy me a new engine if mine blows up, I'll do it and post test results.

the head · 04-11-2005, 10:25 AM

IIRC acetone can disolve rubber which means it may melt your injector seals

90RS13 · 04-11-2005, 11:02 AM

Yeah, acetone has it's side effects. It's been used for a while though. It was even used by gas companies as an additive, but it's supposed to be harmful to the enviroment and to an extent, your fuel system. So no one uses it anymore.

kandyflip445 · 04-11-2005, 11:09 AM

I stuck a whole gallon in my car once. Seemed to idle a little smoother and the exhaust note was a little deeper. Other than that it was about the same.

mjjstang · 04-11-2005, 11:15 AM

a whole gallon jesus, your only supposed to add a few ounces.

kandyflip445 · 04-11-2005, 11:19 AM

Not for a full tank. I wanted to get higher octane. I was gonna put 3 gallons in but it cost too much and I wanted to test it out first. I guess it picked up a little better. I was using the formula on a site. I can't remember it now but I think it may be in a thread on here.

driftin2trance · 04-11-2005, 12:02 PM

i added that in my maxima once. didnt really do anything but i could tell better acceleration. (or maybe it was just in my head

)

ranisron · 04-11-2005, 12:06 PM

probably not going to use it in my 240sx... going to try out on the Altima - she can take more abuse...

BLT123 · 04-11-2005, 12:06 PM

I dont think it would harm your car. 3 ounces in 10 gallons is around a 0.24% solution which is close to NIL, just enough I guess to kill the surface tension.

I do however think that it may be the environment thing that is stopping companies from doing it in mass amounts.

Hmmmmmmm dilemma dilemma..

my240iguanas · 04-11-2005, 01:19 PM

That does sounds likea good idea , but wouldnt that gunk up your injectors ?? or plastic or rubber seals? i spilled it on my playstation once , then wiped it and it damaged the plastic , so i can only wonder what it would do to your car.

BLT123 · 04-11-2005, 08:56 PM

Injectors no, seals if pure enough maybe. 0.23% solution I doubt it will eat anything. Gasoline itself eats up things... :/ Try wiping gasonline on your playstation hehe...

sr240mike · 04-11-2005, 10:43 PM

"As an octane booster I've heard of quite a few people using Toluene which has an octane of 114.
Here is an article on "Rocket fuel" for our cars.

Toulene
R+M/2...114
Cost...$4.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...94.2 Octane
20%...96.4 Octane
30%...98.6 Octane
Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*, I.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16 ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $5/gal at chemical supply houses or paint stores.

Q: How did you discover using toluene?

A: Someone came across a web page that described various DIY home brew octane booster formulas. One of which used toluene as its main ingredient. As a Formula 1 racing fan of many years, I recalled that toluene was used extensively in the turbo era in the 1980s by all the Formula 1 teams. The 1.5 liter turbocharged engines ran as much as 5 bars of boost (73 psi) in qualifying and 4 bars (59 psi) in the actual race. Power output exceeded 1500bhp, which translates into 1000bhp/liter, an astronomical figure.

A motorsports journalist, Ian Bamsey, was able to obtain Honda's cooperation for his book "McLaren Honda Turbo, a Technical Appraisal". The book documents the key role that the toluene fuel played in allowing these tiny engines to run so much turbo boost without detonation. The term "rocket fuel" originated from the Formula 1 fraternity as an affectionate nickname to describe its devastating potency. Thus I concluded that I should focus my research on using toluene for my octane boosting project. "

Rocket fuel FAQ
Copyright ã 1999,2000 by Eliot Lim This paper may be freely distributed, provided it is distributed in its entirety

RBS14 · 04-11-2005, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLT123

Estimates on Oil by the end of the year is $100 per barrel, fuel will shoot up around 70% in price zzzzzzzzzz....

Actually, I was talking to my dad who is an investment advisor and he was saying that most of that "$100 a barrel" stuff is just hypothetical BS. All of the major indicators in the markets actually point towards the price of oil dropping over the next year. They might briefly reach that, but most likely will not sustain it for very long. He could be wrong also, but many other people who follow markets for a living share the same centiments.

I just point it out because if we accept all of this hype as fact, we basically let the oil companies charge us that much because we have accepted and expected the so-called price forecasts.

Don't believe all the shit you hear.

nismo2491 · 04-12-2005, 12:42 AM

I will try this on the cavaqueer

BLT123 · 04-12-2005, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBS14

Actually, I was talking to my dad who is an investment advisor and he was saying that most of that "$100 a barrel" stuff is just hypothetical BS. All of the major indicators in the markets actually point towards the price of oil dropping over the next year. They might briefly reach that, but most likely will not sustain it for very long. He could be wrong also, but many other people who follow markets for a living share the same centiments.

I just point it out because if we accept all of this hype as fact, we basically let the oil companies charge us that much because we have accepted and expected the so-called price forecasts.

Don't believe all the shit you hear.

I hope this is true.

I actually heard the $100 speculation over the news - but then again, it's local news over hear. Could very well be BS.

the head · 04-12-2005, 08:18 AM

just looked on a scientific supply site getting a price of 79.00 for 4 liters (approx 1 gallon) of toulene anyone know how to get this shit cheaper I got a few things i need to make with this shit

and that 100 per barrel shit is complete BS as said before there is a possibiilty that it will peak there but that will not hold the US will open capped wells by then and flood the domestic market with cheap oil thus causing the price to drop on foreign oil to compete with cheaper domestic prices per barrel.

kandyflip445 · 04-12-2005, 08:52 AM

Oh crap. It was toluene not acetone!!

That was the formula I was using too.

mjjstang · 04-12-2005, 09:08 AM

like I said man what your measurements were, would have done some major damage. I knew something was up.

ranisron · 04-12-2005, 10:10 AM

if you have a beater car, put the acetone in that and try it out... my 240sx will still get 93 octane premium gas...

MakotoS13 · 04-12-2005, 10:21 AM

Quote:

The 1.5 liter turbocharged engines ran as much as 5 bars of boost (73 psi) in qualifying and 4 bars (59 psi) in the actual race. Power output exceeded 1500bhp, which translates into 1000bhp/liter, an astronomical figure.

WTF?! holy smokes batman, that shizzle is the bizzle if thats trizzle.

RiversideS13 · 09-06-2005, 03:35 AM

sorry to dig out a thread, but i want to have a follow up...

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/new...00069_Acetone/

so those people who tried on their altima or beaters, what do you find out?

ranisron · 09-06-2005, 07:00 AM

riverside, to answer your question:

I tried on my altima, didn't see any increase in gas mileage - perhaps it was because I need a decent tune up. I just toasted the tranny on my altima, so I am driving the 240sx full time now.

I will not try this with my 240sx - she gets good gas mileage, esp on the highway.

Ron

PROJECTRB240SX · 09-06-2005, 07:55 AM

A co-wroker of mine uses acetone consistantly now since I've told him of its benefits 6 months ago. He said since he tried it on his tahoe he gets about 4 more mpg, which is huge considering he used to only get 16mpg. This acetone thing isn't new and has been around forever, hell acetone is an ingredient in alot of diesel system cleaners/water evaporators. The reason acetone isn't used in gasoline by corporations is the evironmental effects and the fact that acetone is a manufactured chemical not natural like petroleum. Acetone does not increase octane at all, it just break surface tension and removes moisture from the system (all Public fuel has water vapor in it) which allows for a better combustion.

Just to let you know do not use acetone in your fuel system if you have any plastic or polimer fuel lines.... Acetone eats right through it. Also acetone will break down carbon deposits in your fuel system, intake runners, and cylinder head chambers which can potentially cause black smoke if you have a dirty system.

*nsn240* · 09-06-2005, 02:07 PM

i wouldnt put any of that homemade crap in my car... just pay for gas and deal with it. Too many things to go wrong imo

RiversideS13 · 09-06-2005, 02:24 PM

here is more tips from
http://www.energy.ca.gov/afvs/

does it eat up your fuel line? I am thinking the acetone is a very reactive reagent, wont it cause more detonation?

btw, MTBE is already not exist in the pump gas
http://www.energy.ca.gov/mtbe/

sr240mike · 09-06-2005, 03:59 PM

Acetone in the fuel also reduces HC readings, good to know for all those about to fail smog.

04-11-2005, 08:56 AM	#1
BLT123 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 71 Trader Rating: (0)	Acetone in Gasoline Guys, wanted to share this but couldnt find a place to put it in this forum - i'm new here but thought this would help. A bit of pessimism from myself if this works or not - but it does have a potential to be true. It seems 2-3 ounces of acetone to 10 gallons of fuel can increase mileage by 15% to 35% depending on car condition. You can search "Acetone in Gasoline" in Yahoo. There are a couple of sites discussing it. Might be something true! It's also something that if true, is going to cut into the fuel industry's profits so don't expect any formal announcements from fuel companies. I have yet to find a negative statement in this. Hoping from feedback . __________________

04-11-2005, 09:08 AM	#2
mjjstang Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,607 Trader Rating: (4)	well I dont really have a car I want to try it on, but it would be sweet to go buy a little honda or geo and give it a try, it would be cool to have a car just for gettin around since gas is so expensive, It sounds like the biggest worry people have is the fact that acetone is made up of 5 percent water. __________________ I was going to, but I can not think of a sig less than 75 characters.

04-11-2005, 09:12 AM	#3
ranisron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 28 Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (0)	gas is so stupidly expensive... I guess I'd try it on my altima... __________________ U13 and S13 zilvia members are friendly

04-11-2005, 09:28 AM	#4
BLT123 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 71 Trader Rating: (0)	LOL! Do it on your spare car! I'm going to try it out too. Estimates on Oil by the end of the year is $100 per barrel, fuel will shoot up around 70% in price zzzzzzzzzz.... I really hope it works. Already spending a fortune on fuel. __________________

04-11-2005, 09:52 AM	#5
nissantuner22 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gainesville, Fl Age: 25 Posts: 1,057 Trader Rating: (-1)	if you all agree to buy me a new engine if mine blows up, I'll do it and post test results. __________________ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...VESIG2copy.jpg Current Project: Operation: N/A SR: 93 Silvia Q SR20DE Engine with go fast goodies. , "Common problems 240sx's suffer from are curbs, trees, ditches, and other immovable objects."thx247 "on the tounge... there is no guardrails."- citizen

04-11-2005, 10:25 AM	#6
the head Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: in a dark room mastering the art of typing with one hand Posts: 2,001 Trader Rating: (1)	IIRC acetone can disolve rubber which means it may melt your injector seals __________________ I never knew you could do that with an eggplant

04-11-2005, 11:02 AM	#7
90RS13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2004 Location: Newark, Arkansas Age: 26 Posts: 348 Trader Rating: (0)	Yeah, acetone has it's side effects. It's been used for a while though. It was even used by gas companies as an additive, but it's supposed to be harmful to the enviroment and to an extent, your fuel system. So no one uses it anymore. __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77...wWells/sig.gif

04-11-2005, 11:09 AM	#8
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 25 Posts: 4,255 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445	I stuck a whole gallon in my car once. Seemed to idle a little smoother and the exhaust note was a little deeper. Other than that it was about the same. __________________ My 240 vBgarage

04-11-2005, 11:15 AM	#9
mjjstang Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,607 Trader Rating: (4)	a whole gallon jesus, your only supposed to add a few ounces. __________________ I was going to, but I can not think of a sig less than 75 characters.

04-11-2005, 11:19 AM	#10
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 25 Posts: 4,255 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445	Not for a full tank. I wanted to get higher octane. I was gonna put 3 gallons in but it cost too much and I wanted to test it out first. I guess it picked up a little better. I was using the formula on a site. I can't remember it now but I think it may be in a thread on here. __________________ My 240 vBgarage

04-11-2005, 12:02 PM	#11
driftin2trance Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cashville.TN Age: 25 Posts: 93 Trader Rating: (0)	i added that in my maxima once. didnt really do anything but i could tell better acceleration. (or maybe it was just in my head ) __________________ http://www.driftinzzzzcreationzzzz.c...sig%20copy.jpg www.dgtrials.com DG Trials Troop/Scout www.driftinzzzzcreationzzzz.com www.mmr-direct.com

04-11-2005, 12:06 PM	#12
ranisron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 28 Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (0)	probably not going to use it in my 240sx... going to try out on the Altima - she can take more abuse... __________________ U13 and S13 zilvia members are friendly

04-11-2005, 01:19 PM	#14
my240iguanas BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CAli Posts: 125 Trader Rating: (0)	That does sounds likea good idea , but wouldnt that gunk up your injectors ?? or plastic or rubber seals? i spilled it on my playstation once , then wiped it and it damaged the plastic , so i can only wonder what it would do to your car.

04-11-2005, 08:56 PM	#15
BLT123 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 71 Trader Rating: (0)	Injectors no, seals if pure enough maybe. 0.23% solution I doubt it will eat anything. Gasoline itself eats up things... :/ Try wiping gasonline on your playstation hehe... __________________

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04-11-2005, 10:43 PM	#16
sr240mike Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California, Norcal biiaatch Posts: 1,186 Trader Rating: (0)	"As an octane booster I've heard of quite a few people using Toluene which has an octane of 114. Here is an article on "Rocket fuel" for our cars. Toulene R+M/2...114 Cost...$4.50/gal Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium 10%...94.2 Octane 20%...96.4 Octane 30%...98.6 Octane Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 points, I.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16 ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $5/gal at chemical supply houses or paint stores. Q: How did you discover using toluene? A: Someone came across a web page that described various DIY home brew octane booster formulas. One of which used toluene as its main ingredient. As a Formula 1 racing fan of many years, I recalled that toluene was used extensively in the turbo era in the 1980s by all the Formula 1 teams. The 1.5 liter turbocharged engines ran as much as 5 bars of boost (73 psi) in qualifying and 4 bars (59 psi) in the actual race. Power output exceeded 1500bhp, which translates into 1000bhp/liter, an astronomical figure. A motorsports journalist, Ian Bamsey, was able to obtain Honda's cooperation for his book "McLaren Honda Turbo, a Technical Appraisal". The book documents the key role that the toluene fuel played in allowing these tiny engines to run so much turbo boost without detonation. The term "rocket fuel" originated from the Formula 1 fraternity as an affectionate nickname to describe its devastating potency. Thus I concluded that I should focus my research on using toluene for my octane boosting project. " Rocket fuel FAQ Copyright ã 1999,2000 by Eliot Lim This paper may be freely distributed, provided it is distributed in its entirety __________________ http://guernsey.globat.com/~mountain...ng/mikesig.jpg TWO IN THE COOT, ONE IN THE POOT

04-12-2005, 12:42 AM	#18
nismo2491 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Southern MD Age: 26 Posts: 1,372 Trader Rating: (0)	I will try this on the cavaqueer __________________ To quote the great Ron White: if life gives you lemons, make lemonade. and try to find somebody who's life gave them vodka, and have a party

04-12-2005, 08:18 AM	#20
the head Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: in a dark room mastering the art of typing with one hand Posts: 2,001 Trader Rating: (1)	just looked on a scientific supply site getting a price of 79.00 for 4 liters (approx 1 gallon) of toulene anyone know how to get this shit cheaper I got a few things i need to make with this shit and that 100 per barrel shit is complete BS as said before there is a possibiilty that it will peak there but that will not hold the US will open capped wells by then and flood the domestic market with cheap oil thus causing the price to drop on foreign oil to compete with cheaper domestic prices per barrel. __________________ I never knew you could do that with an eggplant

04-12-2005, 08:52 AM	#21
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 25 Posts: 4,255 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445	Oh crap. It was toluene not acetone!! That was the formula I was using too. __________________ My 240 vBgarage

04-12-2005, 09:08 AM	#22
mjjstang Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,607 Trader Rating: (4)	like I said man what your measurements were, would have done some major damage. I knew something was up. __________________ I was going to, but I can not think of a sig less than 75 characters.

04-12-2005, 10:10 AM	#23
ranisron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 28 Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (0)	if you have a beater car, put the acetone in that and try it out... my 240sx will still get 93 octane premium gas... __________________ U13 and S13 zilvia members are friendly

09-06-2005, 03:35 AM	#25
RiversideS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 1,443 Trader Rating: (0)	sorry to dig out a thread, but i want to have a follow up... http://www.pureenergysystems.com/new...00069_Acetone/ so those people who tried on their altima or beaters, what do you find out?

09-06-2005, 07:00 AM	#26
ranisron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bloomington, IN Age: 28 Posts: 766 Trader Rating: (0)	riverside, to answer your question: I tried on my altima, didn't see any increase in gas mileage - perhaps it was because I need a decent tune up. I just toasted the tranny on my altima, so I am driving the 240sx full time now. I will not try this with my 240sx - she gets good gas mileage, esp on the highway. Ron __________________ U13 and S13 zilvia members are friendly

09-06-2005, 07:55 AM	#27
PROJECTRB240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: GILBERT, AZ Posts: 304 Trader Rating: (0)	A co-wroker of mine uses acetone consistantly now since I've told him of its benefits 6 months ago. He said since he tried it on his tahoe he gets about 4 more mpg, which is huge considering he used to only get 16mpg. This acetone thing isn't new and has been around forever, hell acetone is an ingredient in alot of diesel system cleaners/water evaporators. The reason acetone isn't used in gasoline by corporations is the evironmental effects and the fact that acetone is a manufactured chemical not natural like petroleum. Acetone does not increase octane at all, it just break surface tension and removes moisture from the system (all Public fuel has water vapor in it) which allows for a better combustion. Just to let you know do not use acetone in your fuel system if you have any plastic or polimer fuel lines.... Acetone eats right through it. Also acetone will break down carbon deposits in your fuel system, intake runners, and cylinder head chambers which can potentially cause black smoke if you have a dirty system. __________________ IF I AM TYPING IN CAPS (LIKE NOW) I AM SORRY BECAUSE I AM AT WORK (DATA ENTRY) AND I HAVE NO CAPS LOCK BUTTON AND NO WAY TO CHANGE MY UPPER CASE LETTERING. SORRY!

09-06-2005, 02:07 PM	#28
nsn240 Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: lancaster Posts: 619 Trader Rating: (0)	i wouldnt put any of that homemade crap in my car... just pay for gas and deal with it. Too many things to go wrong imo __________________ mike rightcoaststeeze.blogspot.com

09-06-2005, 02:24 PM	#29
RiversideS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 1,443 Trader Rating: (0)	here is more tips from http://www.energy.ca.gov/afvs/ does it eat up your fuel line? I am thinking the acetone is a very reactive reagent, wont it cause more detonation? btw, MTBE is already not exist in the pump gas http://www.energy.ca.gov/mtbe/

09-06-2005, 03:59 PM	#30
sr240mike Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: California, Norcal biiaatch Posts: 1,186 Trader Rating: (0)	Acetone in the fuel also reduces HC readings, good to know for all those about to fail smog. __________________ http://guernsey.globat.com/~mountain...ng/mikesig.jpg TWO IN THE COOT, ONE IN THE POOT

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