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gotta240 · 07-12-2006, 11:43 PM

I know, i'm sorry for another stupid wheel offeset question. I've done research and i know about the offesets etc.

For the rear of a s14, how much of a pull(or will i need overfeners?) would be required to fit 18x9 plus 3?

I've seen pics of work emotions in a 9 1/2 plus 12, and they did fine with just a fender roll. So take that 1/2 inch , divide it in two(to get the difference of CENTERS between a 9 and 9 1/2) and that equals 1/4 inch wich equals ABOUT 6mm. RIGHT?

So that means a 9 1/2 with a plus 12, is the same(as far as sticking out) as a 9 with a plus 6...right? So maybe i'll be fine?

ANYONE!? thanks fellas

REDSH!FT · 07-12-2006, 11:45 PM

Stretched tires and you're fine...

JVD · 07-12-2006, 11:49 PM

It will fit beautifully. Like redshift said, stretched tires. Enjoy!

gotta240 · 07-13-2006, 01:03 AM

stretched tires and LOTS of camber? or just stretched tires?

I drive HARD so neg. camber kill tires WAY faster than i like.... Can i run -1 camber with some mildly stretched tires and make it work?

And is that with ONLY rolled fenders...no pull??

thanks again guys!! i'm about to spend a LOT of money and dont want to mess up!

chmercer · 07-13-2006, 01:51 AM

if you drive hard then negative camber shouldnt kill your tires, as they would be getting a fuller contact patch. negative camber is ideal for agressive driving. id say 2-3 degrees. negative camber only wears tires if you have like toe in and you never drive agressivley.

going from +12 9.5j to +3 9j it will only stick out 3mm more. so almost not even measurable. besides my buddy runs 9j -15 on front with no trouble, and theres more room in the rear. should be an easy fit

NI_YON_Zenki · 07-13-2006, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chmercer

#1 (( if you drive hard then negative camber shouldnt )) kill your tires, as they would be getting a fuller contact patch. #2 (( negative camber is ideal for agressive driving )). id say 2-3 degrees. #3 (( negative camber only wears tires if you have like toe in and you never drive agressivley.))

going from +12 9.5j to +3 9j it will only stick out 3mm more. so almost not even measurable. besides my buddy runs 9j -15 on front with no trouble, and theres more room in the rear. should be an easy fit

Point #1: Think about that comment. Negative camber WILL effect the performance of a car's wheel alignment and tire wear. The contact patch is still negative when the wheel is SET to the GROUND Negative, come on. Driving hard will NOT Keep the tires free from exceeded wear.

Point #2: Negative camber is not ideal for agressive racing, its for VIP Celiors, Cimas, Chasers, etc. due to them being lowered. Drifting should honestly have NOTHING to do with negative camber at all, if you wanna do it right, the only exception I have observed with this is given to the AE's up front due to turning angle. thats it. Negative camber is only accepted when you lower a car to decrease lateral body pitch.

Point #3: WTF?!?!?!

This is just A durt-dur-dur moment, toe in is just a stupid mistake to be made upon any "Drifters" or drivers car for that matter, if you end up with toe-in on the REAR wheels/tires of your car, then you need not be driving that car, except to a new alignment shop, make sure you do your homework before schedualing an oppintment with the new shop!

Go DO YOUR HOMEWORK. .. .

NI_YON_Zenki · 07-13-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotta240

I know, i'm sorry for another stupid wheel offeset question. I've done research and i know about the offesets etc.

For the rear of a s14, how much of a pull(or will i need overfeners?) would be required to fit 18x9 plus 3?

I've seen pics of work emotions in a 9 1/2 plus 12, and they did fine with just a fender roll. So take that 1/2 inch , divide it in two(to get the difference of CENTERS between a 9 and 9 1/2) and that equals 1/4 inch wich equals ABOUT 6mm. RIGHT?

So that means a 9 1/2 with a plus 12, is the same(as far as sticking out) as a 9 with a plus 6...right? So maybe i'll be fine?

ANYONE!? thanks fellas

If you go with a 215/40/18 should be fine. .. .roll the fenders cause you will catch patches of your tire coming to bald.. .. You should even be safe with a 225. .. .cause your wheel really isn't that large, a 235 will put you under the negative camber issue that concerns your preferred style of driving your car.

Call G-Dimensions and ask for an alignment setup, Speak with james, and he'll direct you to speak to Phiffer, alex. He conducted my first alignment, I was terrible. Tell james Skip sent cha.

as far as your measurements uptop. They're the same.

JVD · 07-13-2006, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NI_YON_Zenki

Point #1: Think about that comment. Negative camber WILL effect the performance of a car's wheel alignment and tire wear. The contact patch is still negative when the wheel is SET to the GROUND Negative, come on. Driving hard will NOT Keep the tires free from exceeded wear.

Point #2: Negative camber is not ideal for agressive racing, its for VIP Celiors, Cimas, Chasers, etc. due to them being lowered. Drifting should honestly have NOTHING to do with negative camber at all, if you wanna do it right, the only exception I have observed with this is given to the AE's up front due to turning angle. thats it. Negative camber is only accepted when you lower a car to decrease lateral body pitch.

Point #3: WTF?!?!?!

This is just A durt-dur-dur moment, toe in is just a stupid mistake to be made upon any "Drifters" or drivers car for that matter, if you end up with toe-in on the REAR wheels/tires of your car, then you need not be driving that car, except to a new alignment shop, make sure you do your homework before schedualing an oppintment with the new shop!

Go DO YOUR HOMEWORK. .. .

So you always run your wheels with +/- 0 degrees? From what I understand mercer is correct. Yeah, you're probably right though. Those "stupid drifters" just can't be right.

*OptionZero* · 07-13-2006, 01:36 PM

When a strut-based car turns, the negative camber helps it maximize contact patch. Maybe you assumed he meant driving aggressively in a straight line?

Even factory alignment specs have some negative camber IIRC.

Ever seen an F1 car? Camber and toe like mad.

Toe-in is for straight line stability, a little tiny bit in rear is probably helpful.

*Dousan_PG* · 07-13-2006, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NI_YON_Zenki

Point #1: Think about that comment. Negative camber WILL effect the performance of a car's wheel alignment and tire wear. The contact patch is still negative when the wheel is SET to the GROUND Negative, come on. Driving hard will NOT Keep the tires free from exceeded wear.

Point #2: Negative camber is not ideal for agressive racing, its for VIP Celiors, Cimas, Chasers, etc. due to them being lowered. Drifting should honestly have NOTHING to do with negative camber at all, if you wanna do it right, the only exception I have observed with this is given to the AE's up front due to turning angle. thats it. Negative camber is only accepted when you lower a car to decrease lateral body pitch.

Point #3: WTF?!?!?!

This is just A durt-dur-dur moment, toe in is just a stupid mistake to be made upon any "Drifters" or drivers car for that matter, if you end up with toe-in on the REAR wheels/tires of your car, then you need not be driving that car, except to a new alignment shop, make sure you do your homework before schedualing an oppintment with the new shop!

Go DO YOUR HOMEWORK. .. .

are you always a douchebag/dumbass?
i gotta go to work. ill edit my post

SpeedMonkeyInc · 07-13-2006, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NI_YON_Zenki

Point #2: Negative camber is not ideal for agressive racing, its for VIP Celiors, Cimas, Chasers, etc. due to them being lowered. Drifting should honestly have NOTHING to do with negative camber at all, if you wanna do it right, the only exception I have observed with this is given to the AE's up front due to turning angle. thats it. Negative camber is only accepted when you lower a car to decrease lateral body pitch.

How about you go drive your car at a race track then get back to us with empirical knowlege. This imagination of yours is creating hypothetical race car alignemnts and isn't helping anyone.

*OptionZero* · 07-13-2006, 02:35 PM

read some of his past posts and it all makes sense in a blind-dog-getting-run-over sort of way

SpeedMonkeyInc · 07-13-2006, 02:43 PM

Seriously. I love that he has some show car in his sig with hella neg camber too. Icing on cake.

*revat619* · 07-13-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NI_YON_Zenki

Point #1: Think about that comment. Negative camber WILL effect the performance of a car's wheel alignment and tire wear. The contact patch is still negative when the wheel is SET to the GROUND Negative, come on. Driving hard will NOT Keep the tires free from exceeded wear.

Point #2: Negative camber is not ideal for agressive racing, its for VIP Celiors, Cimas, Chasers, etc. due to them being lowered. Drifting should honestly have NOTHING to do with negative camber at all, if you wanna do it right, the only exception I have observed with this is given to the AE's up front due to turning angle. thats it. Negative camber is only accepted when you lower a car to decrease lateral body pitch.

Point #3: WTF?!?!?!

This is just A durt-dur-dur moment, toe in is just a stupid mistake to be made upon any "Drifters" or drivers car for that matter, if you end up with toe-in on the REAR wheels/tires of your car, then you need not be driving that car, except to a new alignment shop, make sure you do your homework before schedualing an oppintment with the new shop!

Go DO YOUR HOMEWORK. .. .

Unfortunately, i'm at work and i dont have time to elaborate, but...

What the hell are you talking about?

Just a small tid bit: You do realize that F1 cars run around 3 degrees of camber atleast. Reason being suspension geometry and maximum performance. And IIRC, F1 cars ARENT VIP.

Stop smokin the mary-ja-wanna Skip....

*Dousan_PG* · 07-13-2006, 04:25 PM

point 1
you dont know shit about driving apparently or track racing/drifting/etc.

point 2:
go look at any racing events. f1 etc etc etc. get a clue
drifting? tell taka (4ag) about his -4 front camber tell any profession drifter to go back to next to no camber and see what they say. get a tranlater while yoru at it too. you'll need one. no one understands your talking online or in person im sure.

point 3
toe in oh god ur an idiot
you just drive around town
the last drift or track even u probably did was in 4ag heyday.

get a life
geta clue.

i love how u say all this about camber but u run some crazy sized wheels, have tons of camber, pulled your fenders o look like shit AND then do this

but when a wheel thread comes up ur all proud of your setup

ugh.
go away.

*OptionZero* · 07-13-2006, 05:21 PM

[/i]_Quality ain't cheap. .. . it pertains to the dreams of your better half.

so choose what you think will satisfy your better half Main.[/i]

oh and this one

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...758#post995758

i swear the dude posts when he's on crack

gotta240 · 07-14-2006, 09:37 PM

thanks for all the replies guys!!!

07-13-2006, 04:25 PM	#15
Dousan_PG Pink GodziRa Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 31 Posts: 16,414 Trader Rating: (14) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG	point 1 you dont know shit about driving apparently or track racing/drifting/etc. point 2: go look at any racing events. f1 etc etc etc. get a clue drifting? tell taka (4ag) about his -4 front camber tell any profession drifter to go back to next to no camber and see what they say. get a tranlater while yoru at it too. you'll need one. no one understands your talking online or in person im sure. point 3 toe in oh god ur an idiot you just drive around town the last drift or track even u probably did was in 4ag heyday. get a life geta clue. i love how u say all this about camber but u run some crazy sized wheels, have tons of camber, pulled your fenders o look like shit AND then do this but when a wheel thread comes up ur all proud of your setup ugh. go away. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

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07-12-2006, 11:43 PM	#1
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,139 Trader Rating: (9)	18x9 plus 3 a lil too extreme? I know, i'm sorry for another stupid wheel offeset question. I've done research and i know about the offesets etc. For the rear of a s14, how much of a pull(or will i need overfeners?) would be required to fit 18x9 plus 3? I've seen pics of work emotions in a 9 1/2 plus 12, and they did fine with just a fender roll. So take that 1/2 inch , divide it in two(to get the difference of CENTERS between a 9 and 9 1/2) and that equals 1/4 inch wich equals ABOUT 6mm. RIGHT? So that means a 9 1/2 with a plus 12, is the same(as far as sticking out) as a 9 with a plus 6...right? So maybe i'll be fine? ANYONE!? thanks fellas

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07-12-2006, 11:45 PM	#2
REDSH!FT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fairfax County VA Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0)	Stretched tires and you're fine...

07-12-2006, 11:49 PM	#3
JVD Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 21 Posts: 1,736 Trader Rating: (0)	It will fit beautifully. Like redshift said, stretched tires. Enjoy!

07-13-2006, 01:03 AM	#4
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,139 Trader Rating: (9)	stretched tires and LOTS of camber? or just stretched tires? I drive HARD so neg. camber kill tires WAY faster than i like.... Can i run -1 camber with some mildly stretched tires and make it work? And is that with ONLY rolled fenders...no pull?? thanks again guys!! i'm about to spend a LOT of money and dont want to mess up!

07-13-2006, 01:51 AM	#5
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 23 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0)	if you drive hard then negative camber shouldnt kill your tires, as they would be getting a fuller contact patch. negative camber is ideal for agressive driving. id say 2-3 degrees. negative camber only wears tires if you have like toe in and you never drive agressivley. going from +12 9.5j to +3 9j it will only stick out 3mm more. so almost not even measurable. besides my buddy runs 9j -15 on front with no trouble, and theres more room in the rear. should be an easy fit

07-13-2006, 01:36 PM	#9
OptionZero Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, CA Age: 26 Posts: 6,159 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero	When a strut-based car turns, the negative camber helps it maximize contact patch. Maybe you assumed he meant driving aggressively in a straight line? Even factory alignment specs have some negative camber IIRC. Ever seen an F1 car? Camber and toe like mad. Toe-in is for straight line stability, a little tiny bit in rear is probably helpful.

07-13-2006, 02:35 PM	#12
OptionZero Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, CA Age: 26 Posts: 6,159 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero	read some of his past posts and it all makes sense in a blind-dog-getting-run-over sort of way

07-13-2006, 02:43 PM	#13
SpeedMonkeyInc Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Oakland Age: 30 Posts: 1,309 Trader Rating: (0)	Seriously. I love that he has some show car in his sig with hella neg camber too. Icing on cake.

07-13-2006, 05:21 PM	#16
OptionZero Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, CA Age: 26 Posts: 6,159 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero	[/i]_Quality ain't cheap. .. . it pertains to the dreams of your better half. so choose what you think will satisfy your better half Main.[/i] oh and this one http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...758#post995758 i swear the dude posts when he's on crack

07-14-2006, 09:37 PM	#17
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,139 Trader Rating: (9)	thanks for all the replies guys!!!