Getting started on my VQ35/S13 build.. - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

TurboB15sentra · 06-11-2006, 11:11 PM

I ripped my SR out today, fenders/bumper, and steam blasted the entire outside of the car, from top to bottom. I'm waiting on Marco at SR20store to get me pricing on my body panels, so I can get started on the chassis. I'm actually building the car exactly like Marco's setup.. but, doing a different paint scheme, and rims. I've got my paint/clear already.. Dupont tri-coat Burgundy metallic, and Charcoal metallic with silver pearl for my clear coat. I'm going to two-tone the car.. just haven't decided the layout yet. The car has to be stripped down, windows removed, etc.. so we can prime the entire chassis.

As for the engine.. I'm doing a VQ35, with JWT C2 cams and springs, bolt-on's, Maxima harness/ECU, and direct port 100hp nitrous setup. That should yield a pretty mean street car..

Now THAT'S how you clean your car..

Travis

TurboB15sentra · 06-23-2006, 01:22 AM

Progress has been a little slow.. as I started sanding, I discovered a ton of small dings/dents that weren't very visible before. So, I've been smoothing the car out slowly. I've also decided to shave the upper body line.. I think the car will look a lot more smooth with that line taken out. I recieved my Silvia body panels today.. and roughly fitted everything. She looks so nasty right now!

Lots of sanding left to do!

Travis

CaoBoY · 06-23-2006, 01:52 AM

those rims are horrible. wheres the vq35 at? and what car is that from? 350z? or g35?

TurboB15sentra · 06-23-2006, 02:56 AM

The rims that are on the car right now, aren't the wheels that are going on the car.. I'm putting a set of 18" SSR D5R's on once the paint/body is completed.

I'm actually using a VQ out of a Maxima.. Basically the same engine, just a slightly different cam profile and intake manifold. We have been installing VQ's into the FWD B15 SE-R for almost a year now.. with great success. I love the power that the VQ35 makes.. It's got a very broad powerband, which makes for a very fun street car.

I have to give credit to Allen, and the others who have done most of the leg work to get the VQ into the 240sx. I'm going to go one step further, and get the VQ35's ECU/harness working in the 240sx. This means getting the drive by wire system working, but, it shouldn't be terribly hard. I've got a firm grasp on the Maxima/Altima wiring harness layout. The engine will remain relatively stock, for now.. ARP rod bolts, and a set of (soon to be production) JWT C2 cams/spring package, will be the only internal upgrades. This will allow a safe 8K RPM rev limit. A 100hp single fogger wet system will top it off.. for now.. But, I plan on building a forged stroker over the next year or so.. and turbo is the eventual goal..

Travis

TokyoNights · 06-23-2006, 09:47 AM

shaved body line?
you looking to get extra points at the next HIN

OdessaS13 · 06-23-2006, 12:34 PM

any reason VQ over VG30DETT from 300zx tt, if think those may be a little easier to come by

srnissanpower · 06-23-2006, 01:17 PM

wow good luck looking good

CaoBoY · 06-23-2006, 01:34 PM

so are you using a vg30 transmission? and why the nitrous setup? (lol im biased against using them) just wondering. what are teh plans for this car after its finished? show queen? drift car road race etc.

Broaner · 06-23-2006, 02:45 PM

VQ is super easy to come by. Every maxima since 95 has had them. The 35 started in 02 so those are a bit more scarce but still not VG territory. Running low mileage VQ35's regularly go for less than $800 at yards. VQ30's go for $400.

My suggestion for the tranny if you haven't decided would be the Z33 6MT. Good luck with the swap. Ask any questions you have when you get to getting it running as that is the hardest part IMO.

TurboB15sentra · 06-23-2006, 03:21 PM

I'm shaving the body line, because I think it'll make the car look a little more sleek.. Just a matter of personal preference I guess. I'm not into riced out body kits, car shows, and stuff like that.. I just want a clean, fast street car that turns a few heads.

The nitrous is going on, simply, because I have a kit sitting in the shop that's collecting dust.

I can't afford to do all of this, and build/turbo the VQ right now.. so, this is a temporary option.

The VG is a overweight, overpriced turd.. The VQ has WAY more potential.. in the form of better flowing cylinder heads, lighter reciprocating weight, overall lighter weight (weighs about the same as a SR20DET!), and a stronger block/crank.

As for the trans... I have a 2004 G35 6spd with 12K miles on it, sitting in my shop.

Travis

TurboB15sentra · 06-23-2006, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TokyoNights

shaved body line?
you looking to get extra points at the next HIN

Yeah... I'm real big into that sort of thing..

Here's a few pics of my last S13..

Travis

OdessaS13 · 06-23-2006, 09:04 PM

Quote:

The VG is a overweight, overpriced turd.. The VQ has WAY more potential.. in the form of better flowing cylinder heads, lighter reciprocating weight, overall lighter weight (weighs about the same as a SR20DET!), and a stronger block/crank.

haha true, beofre the 24o i had plans of going turbo on my 96 max but decided to try a FR platform for a change. now the 240 is gone so im thinking going A33 maxima. The vq definatly has potential no disagrement on that, i belive i read the stock vq30 block can handle about 500hp on stock internals but have not seen any proof yet, or maybe havent looked hard enough. IF you go turbo any plans for tearing down and rebilding the engine.

TurboB15sentra · 06-23-2006, 10:14 PM

There's a few of the Maxima guys making 500hp on stock internals.. It's definately a stout engine. The VQ35 will handle about the same, but it won't tollerate high revs on the stock rod bolts.

TurDz · 06-23-2006, 10:28 PM

Yes, I can also confirm the 500hp on stock internals. It's on Maxima.org...a long time ago though.

I've read (and agree) that the VQ35, since it is much bigger compared to the VQ30, cannot handle forced induction as well.

If I were going turbo, I would htink of the VQ30DE....like the Nissan JGTC cars with VQ30DETT for the GT500, and the VQ35DE for the GT300 (500hp and 300 hp respectively) in 2005.

TurboB15sentra · 06-23-2006, 11:51 PM

The VQ35 will handle around the same power level with good tuning. A lot of the early FI applications with the VQ35, were with the 350z guys. Most of those guys that were popping engines, were doing so because of poor/inadequate tuning. With good tuning, the Z guys are getting up to the 500whp level with decent reliability. With pistons/rods, on stock sleeves, JWT is making 780whp/825wtq in a 350z. The only bad thing about the VQ30.. is that the crank isn't nearly as strong. It also sports the small 1.898" big end diameter connecting rods.. This give you a crank with less journal overlap, and more chance to spin a bearing because of the higher bearing face speed. And.. there's no replacement for displacement..

1/2 a liter is a LOT. The cylinder heads flow much better as well..

Travis

***S14DB*** · 06-24-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboB15sentra

I'm actually using a VQ out of a Maxima.. Basically the same engine, just a slightly different cam profile and intake manifold. We have been installing VQ's into the FWD B15 SE-R for almost a year now.. with great success. I love the power that the VQ35 makes.. It's got a very broad powerband, which makes for a very fun street car.

I PMed you. Do you have links to more info on the B15 Swap?

Broaner · 06-24-2006, 01:31 PM

Travis? BSwithTF? Glad to see you moved to the FR platform.

I vote for the VQ30. Thats my plan. Single T4 with a mid .6 AR.

TurboB15sentra · 06-24-2006, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broaner

Travis? BSwithTF? Glad to see you moved to the FR platform.

I vote for the VQ30. Thats my plan. Single T4 with a mid .6 AR.

I just build FWD's for customers..

You won't find anything BUT RWD in my garage..

This build has been a long time coming.. I just haven't had time to mess with it. I finally had enough, and just dove into it..

I've got a VQ30DE-K sitting in my garage, disassembled.. I was going to do that a while ago.. but, since I'm going to be all motor, the VQ35 was a better choice for me. Plus I plan to retain the CVTC system, using the Maxima ECU and harness. 12's N/A on slicks should be easily attainable.. And, it'll have enough balls to take out on the road course and have some fun.

Travis

TurboB15sentra · 06-24-2006, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

I PMed you. Do you have links to more info on the B15 Swap?

We have replaced the welded parts with CNC'd billet aluminum parts..

With a stock VQ35, with headers/exhaust and intake, on slicks, the Sentra runs 12.90's @ 105mph. For a GXE or SE, the mounts would be different.. We would have to make some changes, to incorporate the SE-R K-member/Crossmember, shifter cables/assembly, electronic throttle, sub-harness, mounts, and a few other misc things. Here's a link with all of the details.. Keep in mind, for a GXE/SE, the price would be higher because of the changes that have to be made..
http://forums.thevboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=80331

Travis

***S14DB*** · 06-24-2006, 09:34 PM

Sweet. I'll pass that onto my friend. Would you want the car sent to You or could you make a kit? Can you get some numbers on the 1.8s cost?

TurboB15sentra · 06-25-2006, 05:24 AM

I would need the car here to fab mounts for the 1.8s.. They're totally different from the SE-R's mounting system. I'll PM you with some ballpark figures..

Travis

peoplerfoolz · 06-27-2006, 01:05 AM

thats a pretty bad ass project props to you

Densetsu Motorsports · 06-27-2006, 04:16 AM

Dude, looks like the project is coming along nicely! Hurry up and get it done so we can see pics of the final product!

kuramaya · 06-27-2006, 08:25 AM

As you can see Travis this is a different crowd..

TurboB15sentra · 06-27-2006, 10:48 AM

I have most of the body lines shaved.. I just have to go back over the car with some glaze and block sand it to the finish that I want. I must admit, this has turned out to be quite a bit of work.. It's a learning experience for me.. I'm not real big into body work/paint.. but, with the help of an experienced body guy.. I'l learning.

Travis

TurboB15sentra · 06-27-2006, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Densetsu Motorsports

Dude, looks like the project is coming along nicely! Hurry up and get it done so we can see pics of the final product!

Hey.. what's up man! You know who this is, right?

tre · 06-27-2006, 10:55 AM

check the maxima forums. They've already done the swap before. I dont know which maxima forum it was. But It would probalby yield good help to check into it.

Densetsu Motorsports · 06-27-2006, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboB15sentra

Hey.. what's up man! You know who this is, right?

Yeah whats up Travis? When you gonna get your butt down here?

- Richard

TurboB15sentra · 06-28-2006, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tre

check the maxima forums. They've already done the swap before. I dont know which maxima forum it was. But It would probalby yield good help to check into it.

Yeah.. Allen and a few others have performed this swap already.. no one has done it using the VQ35 ECU/harness.. so, that will be a challenge for me.

TurboB15sentra · 06-28-2006, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Densetsu Motorsports

Yeah whats up Travis? When you gonna get your butt down here?

- Richard

I've got a few projects left to knock out.. I'm waiting on some CNC parts to be completed.. and then I can knock those out. I wanted to get my 240sx running, so I don't have to trailer it out there.

06-11-2006, 11:11 PM	#1
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	Getting started on my VQ35/S13 build.. I ripped my SR out today, fenders/bumper, and steam blasted the entire outside of the car, from top to bottom. I'm waiting on Marco at SR20store to get me pricing on my body panels, so I can get started on the chassis. I'm actually building the car exactly like Marco's setup.. but, doing a different paint scheme, and rims. I've got my paint/clear already.. Dupont tri-coat Burgundy metallic, and Charcoal metallic with silver pearl for my clear coat. I'm going to two-tone the car.. just haven't decided the layout yet. The car has to be stripped down, windows removed, etc.. so we can prime the entire chassis. As for the engine.. I'm doing a VQ35, with JWT C2 cams and springs, bolt-on's, Maxima harness/ECU, and direct port 100hp nitrous setup. That should yield a pretty mean street car.. Now THAT'S how you clean your car.. Travis __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

06-23-2006, 01:22 AM	#2
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	Progress has been a little slow.. as I started sanding, I discovered a ton of small dings/dents that weren't very visible before. So, I've been smoothing the car out slowly. I've also decided to shave the upper body line.. I think the car will look a lot more smooth with that line taken out. I recieved my Silvia body panels today.. and roughly fitted everything. She looks so nasty right now! Lots of sanding left to do! Travis __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

06-23-2006, 01:52 AM	#3
CaoBoY Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central Valley Posts: 916 Trader Rating: (0)	those rims are horrible. wheres the vq35 at? and what car is that from? 350z? or g35? __________________ pulling outta the game: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...wpost&t=119867 parting out, just let me know.

06-23-2006, 02:56 AM	#4
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	The rims that are on the car right now, aren't the wheels that are going on the car.. I'm putting a set of 18" SSR D5R's on once the paint/body is completed. I'm actually using a VQ out of a Maxima.. Basically the same engine, just a slightly different cam profile and intake manifold. We have been installing VQ's into the FWD B15 SE-R for almost a year now.. with great success. I love the power that the VQ35 makes.. It's got a very broad powerband, which makes for a very fun street car. I have to give credit to Allen, and the others who have done most of the leg work to get the VQ into the 240sx. I'm going to go one step further, and get the VQ35's ECU/harness working in the 240sx. This means getting the drive by wire system working, but, it shouldn't be terribly hard. I've got a firm grasp on the Maxima/Altima wiring harness layout. The engine will remain relatively stock, for now.. ARP rod bolts, and a set of (soon to be production) JWT C2 cams/spring package, will be the only internal upgrades. This will allow a safe 8K RPM rev limit. A 100hp single fogger wet system will top it off.. for now.. But, I plan on building a forged stroker over the next year or so.. and turbo is the eventual goal.. Travis __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

06-23-2006, 01:34 PM	#8
CaoBoY Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central Valley Posts: 916 Trader Rating: (0)	so are you using a vg30 transmission? and why the nitrous setup? (lol im biased against using them) just wondering. what are teh plans for this car after its finished? show queen? drift car road race etc. __________________ pulling outta the game: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...wpost&t=119867 parting out, just let me know.

06-23-2006, 09:47 AM	#5
TokyoNights Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: garage Age: 27 Posts: 1,216 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: TokyoNights	shaved body line? you looking to get extra points at the next HIN

06-23-2006, 12:34 PM	#6
OdessaS13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cali Age: 23 Posts: 717 Trader Rating: (0)	any reason VQ over VG30DETT from 300zx tt, if think those may be a little easier to come by

06-23-2006, 01:17 PM	#7
srnissanpower Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 11 Trader Rating: (0)	wow good luck looking good

06-23-2006, 02:45 PM	#9
Broaner Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Madison, WI Age: 23 Posts: 58 Trader Rating: (0)	VQ is super easy to come by. Every maxima since 95 has had them. The 35 started in 02 so those are a bit more scarce but still not VG territory. Running low mileage VQ35's regularly go for less than $800 at yards. VQ30's go for $400. My suggestion for the tranny if you haven't decided would be the Z33 6MT. Good luck with the swap. Ask any questions you have when you get to getting it running as that is the hardest part IMO. __________________ VQ Powered S13 Coupe Homepage Video of the first VQ powered S13. Since people keep asking I guess I should say I do sidework. Regular stuff to motor swaps if you desire. PM me.

06-23-2006, 03:21 PM	#10
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm shaving the body line, because I think it'll make the car look a little more sleek.. Just a matter of personal preference I guess. I'm not into riced out body kits, car shows, and stuff like that.. I just want a clean, fast street car that turns a few heads. The nitrous is going on, simply, because I have a kit sitting in the shop that's collecting dust. I can't afford to do all of this, and build/turbo the VQ right now.. so, this is a temporary option. The VG is a overweight, overpriced turd.. The VQ has WAY more potential.. in the form of better flowing cylinder heads, lighter reciprocating weight, overall lighter weight (weighs about the same as a SR20DET!), and a stronger block/crank. As for the trans... I have a 2004 G35 6spd with 12K miles on it, sitting in my shop. Travis __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

06-23-2006, 10:14 PM	#13
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	There's a few of the Maxima guys making 500hp on stock internals.. It's definately a stout engine. The VQ35 will handle about the same, but it won't tollerate high revs on the stock rod bolts. __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

06-23-2006, 10:28 PM	#14
TurDz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Age: 26 Posts: 1,620 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes, I can also confirm the 500hp on stock internals. It's on Maxima.org...a long time ago though. I've read (and agree) that the VQ35, since it is much bigger compared to the VQ30, cannot handle forced induction as well. If I were going turbo, I would htink of the VQ30DE....like the Nissan JGTC cars with VQ30DETT for the GT500, and the VQ35DE for the GT300 (500hp and 300 hp respectively) in 2005. __________________

06-23-2006, 11:51 PM	#15
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	The VQ35 will handle around the same power level with good tuning. A lot of the early FI applications with the VQ35, were with the 350z guys. Most of those guys that were popping engines, were doing so because of poor/inadequate tuning. With good tuning, the Z guys are getting up to the 500whp level with decent reliability. With pistons/rods, on stock sleeves, JWT is making 780whp/825wtq in a 350z. The only bad thing about the VQ30.. is that the crank isn't nearly as strong. It also sports the small 1.898" big end diameter connecting rods.. This give you a crank with less journal overlap, and more chance to spin a bearing because of the higher bearing face speed. And.. there's no replacement for displacement.. 1/2 a liter is a LOT. The cylinder heads flow much better as well.. Travis __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

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06-24-2006, 01:31 PM	#17
Broaner Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Madison, WI Age: 23 Posts: 58 Trader Rating: (0)	Travis? BSwithTF? Glad to see you moved to the FR platform. I vote for the VQ30. Thats my plan. Single T4 with a mid .6 AR. __________________ VQ Powered S13 Coupe Homepage Video of the first VQ powered S13. Since people keep asking I guess I should say I do sidework. Regular stuff to motor swaps if you desire. PM me.

06-24-2006, 09:34 PM	#20
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 14,582 Trader Rating: (1)	Sweet. I'll pass that onto my friend. Would you want the car sent to You or could you make a kit? Can you get some numbers on the 1.8s cost? __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact.

06-25-2006, 05:24 AM	#21
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	I would need the car here to fab mounts for the 1.8s.. They're totally different from the SE-R's mounting system. I'll PM you with some ballpark figures.. Travis __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

06-27-2006, 01:05 AM	#22
peoplerfoolz Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 18 Trader Rating: (0)	thats a pretty bad ass project props to you

06-27-2006, 04:16 AM	#23
Densetsu Motorsports BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tucson, Az Posts: 225 Trader Rating: (2)	Dude, looks like the project is coming along nicely! Hurry up and get it done so we can see pics of the final product!

06-27-2006, 08:25 AM	#24
kuramaya Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 沖縄 , Japan Age: 37 Posts: 1,688 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: kuramaya	As you can see Travis this is a different crowd.. __________________ youtube: kuramaya

06-27-2006, 10:48 AM	#25
TurboB15sentra Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 29 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0)	I have most of the body lines shaved.. I just have to go back over the car with some glaze and block sand it to the finish that I want. I must admit, this has turned out to be quite a bit of work.. It's a learning experience for me.. I'm not real big into body work/paint.. but, with the help of an experienced body guy.. I'l learning. Travis __________________ www.fi-r.net Nissan Performance

06-27-2006, 10:55 AM	#27
tre Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 544 Trader Rating: (0)	check the maxima forums. They've already done the swap before. I dont know which maxima forum it was. But It would probalby yield good help to check into it. __________________ I didn't buy an Audi because it is a Great Car, but for more of a reason to be an asshole.

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