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Old 05-26-2011, 10:09 AM   #1
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Vg30 swap into s13

Negative posts go away saying I shouldn't do the swap

Anywho my buddy got a wrecked z cheap and he said he'd sell me it for next to nothing so I figured you know what I have the vg why not use it my other buddy also has the vg to s13 mounts he's willing to sell me cheap also and I know I can do the rest but I'm just wondering most pros and cons about this swap just remember yes I know I could swap and sr in or and rb or turbo the ka but I want to be different and reliable which is why I'm sticking with a stock vg it'll have the power and reliability but anyways just looking to know some pros and cons and some things to look out for it's a vg30de n/a or if anyone has anymore info on this swap that'd be great
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Here are some reasons you should not do this:

1. They don't make that much power.

2. It's not that easy of a swap.

3. You're not being "different", just difficult.

4. VGDE's weight a lot. I would do an VG30E wayyyy before a DE.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:43 AM   #3
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VGs are heavy, hard to work on, make little power nomatter what you get E or DE, I say save your money and get a VQ


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Here are some reasons you should not do this:

1. They don't make that much power.

2. It's not that easy of a swap.

3. You're not being "different", just difficult.

4. VGDE's weight a lot. I would do an VG30E wayyyy before a DE.
1 220hp and 200ft lbs is a decent amount of power stock it's gonna pretty much just be my DD

2. What makes it so hard of a swap?

3.it's not always easy being difficult also going back to step 2 which what makes it such a hard swap

4. How much does it weight compared to a stock kade
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:46 AM   #5
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everybody is so concerned with being different nowadays they overlook what is practical for them. how much power do you want? ok, now is the cost of the vg and the amount of money needed to do the swap, fabricate parts, etc going to be that much less then it would be do a ka-t or an sr? hell or even an lsx depending on how much your after?

edit: we posted at the same time. just do a redtop it will probably be way cheapppper in the long run and net you the same amount of power. not to mention it's super straight forward and your not going to be dicking around trying to do the swap.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:49 AM   #6
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I have my buddy who has the excessive mounts he already had the swap done he helped out another friend on it what all is there to fab? Everyone says it's so hard but why what all is needed to be custom made the mounts I already have the shifter relocation bracket I already have I know the driveshaft needs remade but what else is there
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:51 AM   #7
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That's the thing if I did a ka-t I've got what about 1500 in parts for the turbo setup another 300 for a tune and it requires much more maintenance and an sr I already have so why would I want another
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1 220hp and 200ft lbs is a decent amount of power stock it's gonna pretty much just be my DD

2. What makes it so hard of a swap?

3.it's not always easy being difficult also going back to step 2 which what makes it such a hard swap

4. How much does it weight compared to a stock kade
Wiring.

It weighs about 200lbs more. Not including trans. No freakin' joke.

A Maxima VQ30 makes 220bhp and weighs exactly the same as a KA.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:01 PM   #9
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Wiring.

It weighs about 200lbs more. Not including trans. No freakin' joke.

A Maxima VQ30 makes 220bhp and weighs exactly the same as a KA.
A maxima vq30 correct me if I'm wrong but that isn't a motor and I know that the VG30 300zx and maxima are practically the same yes I understand you can't use the maxima engine because of mount differences but 200lbs heavier really? What about an rb then?
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:06 PM   #10
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Yessir, you need to do a little research. VQ30DE. They make mounts for the FWD engine, or you can find the diagrams to make your own on engineswaptech.com. VQ's are awesome engines.

Yes, VGDE's are DOHC (big heads) and have a beefy iron block. Yes 200lbs. You're better off with a VH45DE.
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:06 PM   #11
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Wiring also is not a problem for me I have no trouble with it and I have no problem with taking a while on this remember guys I'm getting this entire z for like $250 engine runs good ad trans shifts fine one of the main reasons I'm doing it
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:14 PM   #12
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I didn't know about the vq 30 my bad thought there only was the vg30 and the vq35 don't really mess with the fwd but still yes I would be better off with this engine or that engine but this is what I have
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Old 05-26-2011, 12:57 PM   #13
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Sounds like you're pretty set on it. Good luck. Not my cup of tea.
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Old 05-26-2011, 01:42 PM   #14
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Like I said I'm just here to get some opinions on it any pics of it in a s chassis things like that
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:58 PM   #15
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Or i mean since everyone is saying this swap is so difficult anyone have a KA-T setup they're looking to sell? im still undecided just because I have alot of free time and my KA in my car is on its last legs and i'm getting this wrecked Z so cheap
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It sounds like a whole bunch of work for such little pay off. In my opinion I would pull the motor out of the wrecked car that you are getting, sell it, make money off the sale and then go with a simple swap. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:49 PM   #17
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Why not do it? Doubt it's heavier than a LS2, these people are complaining about how much work and money, did you people read he's not getting this swap at the prices you people would, everyone goes KA-T cause they can't afford an SR20 the vg is reliable, can get the parts fron your local parts store, sure the sr20 is OEM and can be reliable but these motors are older than time, something going to break and you'd have to buy used parts from someone you have no idea if it's on it's last leg it goes out and now your looking for the part again and spent double the money, if you need something on the quicks the sr20 is not a good choice because youd have to wait weeks to get your parts, going KA-T sure you can buy parts at the local parts store but maintaining it is costly too, can't really rely on it cause something is gonna blow, fall apart or spend double the amount for premium gasoline.

Now ca, rb motors are so praised, why? The money spent for these motors is ridiculous and I don't see the power for this money either, almost the same as the z motor if not less (be quiet people these motors are older than time) they won't make the horsepower claimed due to all the wear and tear, so your have to rebuild where you going to get parts from? Then have to waiting for shipping on these item to even start on doing something on the motor, don't see the difference in the amount of time and money spent installing these motors than the Z motor.

I say do it, you already have the source for this swap for cheap as he'll, already know what you have to to for it, so all the cash you saved buying the swap from your friend you can use on customer headers/exhaust and little things you'd need and still not pay the same amount that people buy Uninstalled motors for, they still need
Mounts, driveshaft, new basic parts such as alternator sometime new turbos rebuild kits.

People are going to talk crap no matter what, either because they can't afford it, know how to do it or just plain envy.

I say do it!

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Old 06-02-2011, 07:11 PM   #18
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Why not do it? Doubt it's heavier than a LS2, these people are complaining about how much work and money, did you people read he's not getting this swap at the prices you people would, everyone goes KA-T cause they can't afford an SR20 the vg is reliable, can get the parts fron your local parts store, sure the sr20 is OEM and can be reliable but these motors are older than time, something going to break and you'd have to buy used parts from someone you have no idea if it's on it's last leg it goes out and now your looking for the part again and spent double the money, if you need something on the quicks the sr20 is not a good choice because youd have to wait weeks to get your parts, going KA-T sure you can buy parts at the local parts store but maintaining it is costly too, can't really rely on it cause something is gonna blow, fall apart or spend double the amount for premium gasoline.

Now ca, rb motors are so praised, why? The money spent for these motors is ridiculous and I don't see the power for this money either, almost the same as the z motor if not less (be quiet people these motors are older than time) they won't make the horsepower claimed due to all the wear and tear, so your have to rebuild where you going to get parts from? Then have to waiting for shipping on these item to even start on doing something on the motor, don't see the difference in the amount of time and money spent installing these motors than the Z motor.

I say do it, you already have the source for this swap for cheap as he'll, already know what you have to to for it, so all the cash you saved buying the swap from your friend you can use on customer headers/exhaust and little things you'd need and still not pay the same amount that people buy Uninstalled motors for, they still need
Mounts, driveshaft, new basic parts such as alternator sometime new turbos rebuild kits.

People are going to talk crap no matter what, either because they can't afford it, know how to do it or just plain envy.

I say do it!
At least someone here isn't on the rb and sr band wagon and I'm getting ready to do it here in the next week or two when I get some free time
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:30 AM   #19
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Don't let people get ya down bro, sorry for my long post up there, also sorry about the spelling on some parts of it stupid iPhone likes to correct the wrong shit.
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for my instance finally finished my vq swap and super happy with the results! can go wrong.
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Old 06-03-2011, 04:15 AM   #21
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some of these people are talking out of their ass dont let them discourage you, from experience the vg30e is a strong under rated motor that put down massive amounts of power and if done correctly very responsive. FYI them imsa 240sx gtu ran a vg30e with triple weber carbs the vg30e(t) put nissan on the map
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:44 PM   #22
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^^+1 vg30 are tha shit, but a vg30de its like a bananna split without the toppings, either way youll be able to drop 500 hp on stock internals, and that na-t......oh shit.....
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i loved my VG (91 300zx) it had more than enough power to have fun with. I personally, i wouldn't do the swap, i'd much rather waste less time and money on something else, but if you can afford your car being down for a while do it.

Just like any motor they need maintnance, and parts are a lil more costly (if not the same) as parts for a KA.....some things i should worn you about, that i experienced with my VG, during climate changes I would experience fuel leaks. Because these motors have an awkwardly shaped plenum, vacuum lines and fuel lines run about every which way you could think of, and when the temp changes the hoses shrivel or expand acording to weather and cause potential leaks.....simple solution- keep an eye on it and tighten/replace things when needed.....also, if you're not fluent with oil changes ( like any car) you may experience mild to aggressive "lifter tick" (when your lifters build up and stick)...solution- regular oil changes, sea foam (i never tried this, but people say it works) or an oil flush treatment ( i did this, used "gunk oil treatment" and the ticking went away)



as far as upgrades to the NA more there's not much, some people run pop-chargers (intake kit) and jim wolf tune to free up some power but ultimately there's not much room for improvement. Contrary to popular belief, turboing the NA motor isn't practical at all. VG30de's have relatively high compression and are prone to blow under high boost....in short, if you're okay with not making much power over what stock has to offer GO FOR IT!

all in all, I had very good experiences with my VG, loved it to death while i had it and often miss my z
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Wheres this swap at already...
btw the s12 xmem bolts into the s13.
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Also curious on your swap prgress, as I am also doing this swap + TT into a 180sx.

Did you know that you can use your original gearbox etc... just swap bellhousing over??
This will cut some costs down..

I am also get NISTUNE done to my ecu as the Type 1 board currently sitting in my CA18DET also suits the VG30e ecu... Cheap tuning..

I have looked around various other forums and seen alot of info on these engines compared to the DE version..
One major difference being that the original VG30e had 13!! bolts per head!! whereas the DE version uses 8.
There are reports of people running 25Psi on stock internals and making over 500Hp.. AND did i mention the 9000Rpm rev limit???

I definatly say go for it and I will let you know how I go as well...
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Well I sold my other 240 so everything was on a halt since I was dsilying it but I went out and bought another daily so now I'm finishing getting everything together I have the mounts the engine is on a stand checking everything out on it and right now I'm at no money for this swap I bought this wrecked z for cheap and sold parts off of it and got the engine for free which is why I'm doing this swap... In this week I plan on new timing chain water pump oil pump changing out the injectors some new gaskets then get my ka out will let you guys know when I start the build thread
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vg30e stock is 160hp btw. and thas a lot in a 240. ka is what 128 sr 160 turbo'd. the sr and vg and ka are all light. i just got my s13 shell today got just the engine laid in there and with my passetter headers it hits. so i removed them. with my pathy intake it clears the hood im start fabing up motor mounts 2morrow. its a full build up. i have cash n parts let yall know how it goes. the firewall needs be bashed very little n i removed the (threading cap n all power steering lines) on rear of rack.. ill post pics. if wnted. i have the rb20 tranny already in the car with drive shaft going to my vg30e. i might turbo if my 280hp N/A is not enouph already. my motor is 6-7 inches lower than other vg swaps iv seen?? dnt kno why.
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a vg30de weighs about 550lbs. why the hell would you use that piece of junk. you have to pull the plenum just to change plugs. idk why you would even want that motor. want one? i got one sitting in my driveway. they're garbage.
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let him do it. he'll regret it.

because i wanna be different is such a retarded reason. do what you want we are just telling you that it is stupid, heavier, in the end more as much as an sr or ka-t, and again stupid. those motors blow ballsack.
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