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Old 01-18-2019, 02:38 PM   #1051
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I'm waiting for proof of negatives from the folks who want to spend billions to build a wall.



The US already lags behind most of the developed countries in the world by quality of life metrics as a result of failure to progress as a country.

There are parts of the American south where you're not far from a third world life style.

Immigrants do not make this country weaker, they make us stronger.

Please just answer this:


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I'm down with reform. Bandaid solutions like walls are temporary. Good results for now, but as history shows, history will repeat. It's kind of like putting stop a leak products in a leaky radiator.
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I'm down with reform. Bandaid solutions like walls are temporary. Good results for now, but as history shows, history will repeat. It's kind of like putting stop a leak products in a leaky radiator.
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Of course I would be opposed to that.
And why is that?
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build the fucking wall, just saying!!
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People need protection, those protections in the form of identification, access to programs, benefits, etc.
Exactly, which is why it's absolutely unacceptable to have sections of a border that are wide open.
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lmao

Tell that to every other country in the world.

..but other countries do have border protection..


For the sake of argument let's say every other country in the world didn't have border protection. Is this a good enough reason not to provide:


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..protection, those protections in the form of identification, access to programs, benefits, etc.
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..but other countries do have border protection..


For the sake of argument let's say every other country in the world didn't have border protection. Is this a good enough reason not to provide:
Also who thr fuck wants to sneak into Venezuela or Nigeria?

It's not like Cuba has an illegal alien problem.

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We have border patrol.



That's plenty.
20-35 million illegal aliens would appear to indicate otherwise....

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46 million Trump voters suggest we have a common sense problem but you have no desire to fight that?
No, I totally agree.

It's terrorfying just how many stupid people are drinking the "orange man bad" kool-aid.

Not enough people support Trump.



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Change the systems to make them more efficient and there are less illegal people. Walls don't stop people, drugs or crime.
Facts don't care about your feelings. You feel a wall won't work. Statistics show it will.

Simply shrugging and saying "whelp we can't stop them, just let them in" is the exact fucking opposite of a solution.

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Lets just end this debate on the fact that we will all be dead when the world ends in 12 years.

Only Bernie/AOC and the lbgqtxyz123 communisty can save us.
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"not enough people support Trump"

Right, the guy who is trying to end any semblance of voter freedom and begin an actual one party state needs more supporters.
I think you are confused. Trump isn't the one that sabotaged the entire electoral process to ensure his nomination.

He won despite the entire organized attempt of the media, entertainment and tech industries to ensure a DNC victory. They rigged the system so hard that 2 years later they still are in shock and unable to grasp it.

You have a completely warped perception of the world. Requiring registration and ID to vote is not destroying democracy, its protecting it.

How can Trump be trying to ensure a one party system when half the fucking Republicans are so embedded in the system they appose him at every opportunity. The entire established media, tech industry and federal ABC agencies are doing anything and everything to wreck him with full support of the DNC and established GOP Hacks.

That is the polar opposite of what you describe. He is the enemy of thr Facist One Party State you keep crying about.

DNC opposes a wall because it's going to limit their access to more poor, uneducated government reliant, socialist leaning voters to keep them in power. The DNC doesn't want to lift anyone out of poverty. They want you to be totally dependent on them to keep voting for them and keep them and their allies wealthy and in power.

AOC will have made a million bucks by the end of 2020 after all her interviews and speaking engagements. Her idiot supporters will still be poor thinking how unfair it is she needs to pay $3k a month for an apartment.

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I think you are confused. Trump isn't the one that sabotaged the entire electoral process to ensure his nomination.

He won despite the entire organized attempt of the media, entertainment and tech industries to ensure a DNC victory. They rigged the system so hard that 2 years later they still are in shock and unable to grasp it.

You have a completely warped perception of the world. Requiring registration and ID to vote is not destroying democracy, its protecting it.

How can Trump be trying to ensure a one party system when half the fucking Republicans are so embedded in the system they appose him at every opportunity. The entire established media, tech industry and federal ABC agencies are doing anything and everything to wreck him with full support of the DNC and established GOP Hacks.

That is the polar opposite of what you describe. He is the enemy of thr Facist One Party State you keep crying about.

DNC opposes a wall because it's going to limit their access to more poor, uneducated government reliant, socialist leaning voters to keep them in power. The DNC doesn't want to lift anyone out of poverty. They want you to be totally dependent on them to keep voting for them and keep them and their allies wealthy and in power.

AOC will have made a million bucks by the end of 2020 after all her interviews and speaking engagements. Her idiot supporters will still be poor thinking how unfair it is she needs to pay $3k a month for an apartment.

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Have you been under a rock the last 12 years?? Have you not seen all the Russian indictiments?? Have you not seen the unredacted report from the Manafort lawyers??

He won because everything points to at minimum, the trump admin feeding information to Russian troll farms to DIRECTLY influence the election.

But keep ignoring all that to feed your false narrative.....

trumps approval is @ 34%. Basically his racist, narcissistic, uneducated base are the only ones who support trump.

P.S If you have a problem with illegals, tell all employers (including the farmers) to stop hiring folks without paperwork. And NO they are not stealing the jobs, they are doing the jobs Americans refuse to do and because folks are all about the almightly dollar, they hire cheaper immigrants
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I'd curious to see those numbers. According to the US Border Patrol statistics, drug seizures at the Southern Border account for a huge amount of national total.


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Read the report.

US DEA 2017 National Drug Assessment. This is the unclassified report for the end of 2017.
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/fi..._2017-NDTA.pdf

I am still reading through the 2018 report
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/fi...resolution.pdf

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Transportation and Distribution Fentanyl is transported into the United States
in parcel packages directly from China or from China through Canada, and is also smuggled across the SWB from Mexico. Large volumesof fentanyl are seized at the SWB, although
these seizures are typically low in purity – on
average approximately 7 percent. Conversely,
the smaller volumes seized after arriving in
the mail directly from China can have purities
over 90 percent and be worth much more than
the fentanyl seized at the SWB
So China, is the issue, not the SWB

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According to the 2017 NDTS, 40 percent
of respondents reported an increase in
the distribution of methamphetamine
and 37 percent of respondents reported
an increase in the transportation of
methamphetamine. While market demands

vary, methamphetamine is seized in every
state in the United States, and several U.S.
territories. Mexican TCOs control wholesale
methamphetamine distribution, while both
Mexican and Caucasian criminal groups
typically control retail distribution in the
United States.
The SWB remains the main entry point for the
majority of methamphetamine entering the
United States. Methamphetamine seizures
along the SWB increased 157 percent from
CY 2012 (8,213 kg) to CY 2016 (21,121
kg) (see Figure 72). The majority (47%) of
methamphetamine seized along the SWB in
CY 2016 occurred in the San Diego corridor.
Seizures increased in every corridor along the
SWB (see Figure 73).
Traffickers employ various methods
and techniques in the concealment of
methamphetamine, such as human couriers, commercial flights, parcel services, and
commercial buses. Traffickers most
commonly transport small, multi-kilogram
shipments of methamphetamine in
privately-owned vehicles.

In January 2017, CBP officers at
the Calexico East POE discovered
83 pounds of methamphetamine
concealed inside the bed of a pickup
truck. A CBP K-9 team screening
conveyances alerted to the truck’s
undercarriage (see Figure 74).
• In December 2016, CBP officers
seized approximately 200 pounds of
suspected crystal methamphetamine
at the World Trade Bridge POE in
Laredo, Texas. A canine (K-9) and
non-intrusive inspection led to the
discovery of methamphetamine
concealed within 45 fiberglass pots
(see Figure 75).
Legal Points of Entry!! Border security, NOT wall security (which you have yet to answer the question on the difference between the two)


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smuggle cocaine into the United States via
privately owned vehicles passing through
ports of entry along the SWB. Cocaine
is hidden amongst legitimate cargo on
commercial trucks or secreted inside hidden
compartments built within passenger
vehicles.

Commercial air smuggling is another
important conveyance method for cocaine
traffickers looking to smuggle cocaine from
South America and the Caribbean into the United States. This type of air smuggling has
four different aspects to it: couriers, cargo,
mail/express consignment, and internal
conspiracy. In courier cases, passengers—
and sometimes crew members—smuggle
small quantities of cocaine, ranging from .5
to under 10 kilograms, on commercial flights,
most often originating in the Caribbean.
Cocaine in concealed cargo shipments ranges
from under a kilogram to several hundreds
of kilograms in a single shipment. Express
consignment shipments of cocaine are more
likely to transit the United States than mail
shipments
Legal Points of Entry. Border security, NOT wall security (which you have yet to answer the question on the difference between the two).

Also, ships via the Caribbean sea, etc

Its a 156 page report, which I read through hence why it took me so long.

Also, important stats like a drop in smuggling of Cocaine for example through 2016.

Still working through the 2018 report
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I would LOVE to see how a wall will prevent tunneling..............

Largest single group of migrants ever tunnels under border wall in Arizona, says Border Protection
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Have you been under a rock the last 12 years?? Have you not seen all the Russian indictiments?? Have you not seen the unredacted report from the Manafort lawyers??



He won because everything points to at minimum, the trump admin feeding information to Russian troll farms to DIRECTLY influence the election.



But keep ignoring all that to feed your false narrative.....



trumps approval is @ 34%. Basically his racist, narcissistic, uneducated base are the only ones who support trump.



P.S If you have a problem with illegals, tell all employers (including the farmers) to stop hiring folks without paperwork. And NO they are not stealing the jobs, they are doing the jobs Americans refuse to do and because folks are all about the almightly dollar, they hire cheaper immigrants
Nearly 3 years of nonstop Russian Hysteria and investigation and not a shread of proof Russia did jack shit. Please show me how any of this has even remotely benifited the Ruskies?

12 years ago Obama and Hilary were giving Putin blowjobs and waving a "Reset" Button because Bush was an assholes and we need to be friends.
But hey, Orange Man Bad!! Russian server posted a Facebook meme and that caused Trump to win!!

Pages of proof of DNC election fraud, Hilary's blatent violation of Federal Law and, whelp nothing. Oh yeah, and some DNC cronies are being indidted for trying to make "fake Russian" "fake news" during the mid terms.



I 100% support locking up employers and deporting illegals. To bad your ABC Federales are illegally investigating links Russian Facebook trolls instead of doing their jobs.

As for "jobs Americans won't do" #bullshit

I'm guessing you are the same jack wagon that cries about rent being to expensive and demanding a minimum wage of $20 an hour.

Do they not teach American or economics history anymore? Influx of cheap unskilled labor drives down wages for unskilled jobs.

If husking corn paid $20 an hour, you'd have scores of teenagers lined up to do it. Instead it's $6 bucks off the books. Fuck that says anyone that can get a job at Costco for $12/hr.

Rent? Less people, less demand = less expensive.

Free College! Guess what, everyone goes to college, you cease to be a unique commodity and now "Must have MBA and 5 years experience" becomes the minimum requirement.

Most positions I now deal with and hire, a BA automatically disqualifies you without 15 years experience. The application software just junks it. You need at minimum a Bachelors of Science degree, not Arts. Guess what 90% of the NPCs get these days?



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Largest single group of migrants ever tunnels under border wall in Arizona, says Border Protection
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And just to be clear, if one single person enters the US Illegally, you position then is, "fuck it, let them all in"?
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