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s13 @ fullboost · 10-13-2008, 08:19 PM

What do you guys think about Prop 8? If you vote YES it means No legal homosexual marriage if you vote NO it means legal homosexual marriage. I want to know what you guys and girls think about this =] Vote away

**Please remember to be considerate of other people this forum is public so make your reply's Politically correct /responsible please =]**

twotoes · 10-13-2008, 08:28 PM

im not a fan of gay dudes, gay chicks are hot (yeah its a fucked up view but i cant help it lol) But i dont have a problem with two dudes or two chicks getting married.

People say that it should stay a sacred bond between a man and a woman but with the majority of marriages ending in divorce now days whats so sacred anymore?

vodka2 · 10-13-2008, 08:38 PM

i dont care if they get married becuase in every religious book they go to hell.

soreballz · 10-13-2008, 08:46 PM

No.
No.
FUCK NO.

The "Yes on 8" commericals piss me off. So many lies...

Gay people should be able to get married and be miserable like the rest of us.

twotoes · 10-13-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vodka2

i dont care if they get married becuase in every religious book they go to hell.

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

s13 @ fullboost · 10-13-2008, 08:50 PM

This is good guys keep it up

SexPanda · 10-13-2008, 09:24 PM

why not let them get married? Its making it out to be some religious thing... But oh wait, whats that one thing called... oh yeah, the CONSTITUTION. What ever happened to seperation of church and state. In the purely constitutional sense in looking at it, there's no reason. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Its 2 consenting adults, let them do what they want to.

And if it wasnt for the gay guys, I'd have no idea how to look good on a date.

twotoes · 10-13-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SexPanda

And if it wasnt for the gay guys, I'd have no idea how to look good on a date.

omg this thread is so fucking funny ^^^ thanks for the new signature kile!

ALEXTHESUS*PECT · 10-13-2008, 10:53 PM

most arguments used to go against gay marriges are the same ones used when blacks and whites first started to get together!

if it is religion that people choose to hide behind as they reason they are against it, then they aren't following god's rule of love all as equals. we have no right to judge people and their actions. that is what god would do for us!

ZipTiedCoupe · 10-13-2008, 10:54 PM

^~~Wrong. Bible says as the 2nd greatest commandment that you are to love thy neighbor. Also talks about marriage as a sacred covenant and should be shared by a MAN AND A WOMAN. You can love people, but you dont hav to love what they do.

lol, the constitution was drafted by Christians.

Christians, Me being one, believe in no homosexual marriages. I know its not right.

I voted against Homosexual Marriages.

brian(na8c) · 10-13-2008, 11:17 PM

Werd with ziptiedcoup... other than being politically correct, at which point are we allowed to say,"this is'nt right or acceptable in our society". if they want to have equal rights with traditionaly married couples so they can visit eachother at the hospital or whatever, fine. you can say,"oh well it doesnt affect me" but I dont want my kids being force fed this stuff, being told theyre intollerant because God says this isnt the way to live. I just think society needs some boundries...for the good of ALL, not just because I love Jesus

ALEXTHESUS*PECT · 10-13-2008, 11:19 PM

but what you are also voting for is healthcare covarge for the partner, child custody battles, last will and testimant payouts.

there is alot more at stake to many of these couples than just getting the ceramony official!

ALEXTHESUS*PECT · 10-13-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

^~~Wrong. Bible says as the 2nd greatest commandment that you are to love thy neighbor. Also talks about marriage as a sacred covenant and should be shared by a MAN AND A WOMAN. You can love people, but you dont hav to love what they do.

lol, the constitution was drafted by Christians.

Christians, Me being one, believe in no homosexual marriages. I know its not right.

I voted against Homosexual Marriages.

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Originally Posted by brian(na8c)

Werd with ziptiedcoup... other than being politically correct, at which point are we allowed to say,"this is'nt right or acceptable in our society". if they want to have equal rights with traditionaly married couples so they can visit eachother at the hospital or whatever, fine. you can say,"oh well it doesnt affect me" but I dont want my kids being force fed this stuff, being told theyre intollerant because God says this isnt the way to live. I just think society needs some boundries...for the good of ALL, not just because I love Jesus

since when they start force feeding it to children? do you expect the schools to start teaching gay relationships are the only way have a normal relationship?

and are both of you oppsed to teaching natural selection and the universe being started by a "big bang" since it isn't the bible? do you both believe that the theory of evoluion shouldn't be taught aswell?

ZipTiedCoupe · 10-13-2008, 11:26 PM

We can start a seperate bible and beliefs thread if you would like.

I am not going to ruin this mans poll thread with my Beliefs.

To answer your ? though,

The Big Bang theory is merely that, a theory. Same goes for evolution

I dont think it should be taught. This nation was founded upon Christian principles and it is my belief to restore those principles. I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children either. Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

articdragon192 · 10-13-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEXTHESUS*PECT

but what you are also voting for is healthcare covarge for the partner, child custody battles, last will and testimant payouts.

there is alot more at stake to many of these couples than just getting the ceramony official!

This is the main thing for why this should get passed.

brian(na8c) · 10-13-2008, 11:41 PM

Hmm, if your are all about natural selection and survival of the fittest... tell me where homosexuality fits in... i dont believe theyre a "genetic abnormality" its like everything in life a concious choice... and one thats being fed more and more by society.. why would they choose a straight relationship when they were raised being told, "go for it, its cool"? Our Judeo-christian heritage is what MADE this nation... we toss it; we go the way of every other great society..

spikNspan · 10-13-2008, 11:46 PM

I'm totally for gay marriage. Who are we to tell others who they can or can't marry? wtf is the difference anyways, I seriously can't believe anyone gives a shit about it, but that's just me.

spikNspan · 10-13-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

We can start a seperate bible and beliefs thread if you would like.

I am not going to ruin this mans poll thread with my Beliefs.

To answer your ? though,

The Big Bang theory is merely that, a theory. Same goes for evolution

I dont think it should be taught. This nation was founded upon Christian principles and it is my belief to restore those principles. I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children either. Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

fuck you. that is all.

oh yeah, and fuck the op for even starting this thread and also for telling me to be pc.

soreballz · 10-13-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

I am not going to ruin this mans poll thread with my Beliefs.

You already did.

drift freaq · 10-14-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by brian(na8c)

Hmm, if your are all about natural selection and survival of the fittest... tell me where homosexuality fits in... i dont believe theyre a "genetic abnormality" its like everything in life a concious choice... and one thats being fed more and more by society.. why would they choose a straight relationship when they were raised being told, "go for it, its cool"? Our Judeo-christian heritage is what MADE this nation... we toss it; we go the way of every other great society..

Conscious choice? Dude you think people decide to become ostracized? Discriminated against? Ridiculed by the likes of people like you? You think people feel its cool to be gay?
Man take off the rosy glasses, put down the bible you have mistinterpreted and wake the fuck up. You be smoking that middle American right wing christian bullshit.

I was raised Roman Catholic,aka Christian. I do not follow the church per se but I do believe in the existance of God and pratice spirituality.

Fact is and this is written in the bible. "Judge not lest ye be Judged"

In other words its really not our place to condemn others. Of course being human and prone to sin we do. I suggest you try not. I try not to.
If you really are Christian you must also realize Jesus accepted all regardless. Now did God intend people to be gay? No, but see God's great creation is set up to have variables.
Oh and I do believe in evolution and God and Evolution can coexist.

Oh and yes I am not gay, but I know gays and they have said before that they did not ask to be gay. I.E. it was something they were born feeling! Not a choice. If you think its choice well then your pretty damn ignorant and blinded by the church goers around you.

Please take your bigotry somewhere else because thats what your statement amounts to.

Oh and for the smart ass who sat there and said we can start a separate bible and beliefs thread? Wow you have not been here that long have you? Its already been covered numerous times in numerous threads. In other words your a typical noob who does not bother to read before posting.

cxlo8331 · 10-14-2008, 12:44 AM

great post

spoolandslide · 10-14-2008, 12:54 AM

if all the homos marry each other then they will settle down and stay the fuck out of our lives

+ if god created only certain men to have an un-natural craving for dick then that sounds like gods fault not the gay man's

vodka2 · 10-14-2008, 02:08 AM

ok cool since i brought up beliefs and all lets switch it up again ...
WTF?! thinka bout it, a child growing up with two dads or two moms...
sit down and really think about it .. that childs mentality and insight on life is going to be pretty screwed up .. but thats just my two cents...-Teacher to kid: "Timmy where is your mom , is she coming today" -Timmy "Which one" ????????pwned.

PhilthyS13 · 10-14-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe

I dont think it should be taught. This nation was founded upon Christian principles and it is my belief to restore those principles. I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children either. Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

True, our country was founded by Christians. Christians such as the Puritans who fled Europe to escape persecution by other Christians. That is why we have the separation of church and state - to prevent one religion from imposing its views on others. This measure is about civil marriages. Religions that refuse to recognize gay marriage can continue to do so.

In college I used to work at a group home for boys. They all had heterosexual parents. I saw their files and what their parents did to them. The thing that messed them up the most was the fact that the very people who were supposed to protect them were the ones hurting them. Heterosexual parents have the capacity to abuse children just as much as homosexual parents.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with how you raise children, you are apparently confusing pedophiles with homosexuals. Those are two very different things.

This is really about equal protection (meaning you can't treat one group differently from another). Yes, our country was founded on Christian principles. But it was also founded on slavery, an institution that was rationalized using those very same principles. Our society is constantly changing, and our Constitution changes with us. I don't think a return to 1787 is possible, feasible or even desirable.

murda-c · 10-14-2008, 05:48 AM

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What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."

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Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.

james madison, 'father of the constitution'

looks like the people who drafted the constitution weren't exactly for pushing religion on the people...

upstate240sx · 10-14-2008, 05:57 AM

lets them be married, its not hurting me any way. with all the hate and violence in this world, i think that last thing we should be voting is against is letting people get married. Where in the hell are all your bible thumping maniacs getting the idea you have to act like gods right hand any how.

s13 @ fullboost · 10-14-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by spikNspan

fuck you. that is all.

oh yeah, and fuck the op for even starting this thread and also for telling me to be pc.

Dude why do you have to go and say that stuff do me a favor and please do not post in here anymore if you do not know how to talk/debate like a grown man then do not comment in this thread anymore thank you

**ThatGuy** · 10-14-2008, 08:28 AM

Everyone deserves the right to be happy. If that happens to be with someone of the same gender, then so be it.

Yay for Ellen and Portia!!

ZipTiedCoupe · 10-14-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Fact is and this is written in the bible. "Judge not lest ye be Judged"

In other words its really not our place to condemn others. Of course being human and prone to sin we do. I suggest you try not. I try not to.
If you really are Christian you must also realize Jesus accepted all regardless. Now did God intend people to be gay? No, but see God's great creation is set up to have variables.
Oh and I do believe in evolution and God and Evolution can coexist.

Drift, calm down bro. I didnt want to get OFF TOPIC in the guys thread. I dont go searching for Bible Threads on a NISSAN website?

Judge not lest ye be Judged. I AM NOT JUDGING.I am in NO wayhating on homosexuals. In my religon, its not right to have homosexual beliefs. I said I do not support it. I have gay friends. I know gay people. I do not treat them any different then other friends. I just merely do not support it. I will not support politicians who are for it. It is my personal worldview and its my right to support what I believe in.

This is why I will be voting this November.

Cant we all just be friends?

spngr311 · 10-14-2008, 09:45 AM

I don't think gay "marriage" should exist. Marriage is defined by religion - that would be a case of the state forcing a religion to change its beliefs. However, I think there needs to be a legal gay civil union so that homosexuals are afforded the same rights as straight couples in the eyes of the government. This would allow gay couples to adopt children (which is fine because there are too many children that are not helped), have insurance, and other legal rights. I didn't vote in the poll because I didn't agree with either.

View Poll Results: What do you think of Prop 8?
Yes no same sex marriage	67	41.88%
NO let there be same sex marriage	93	58.13%
Voters: 160. You may not vote on this poll

10-13-2008, 08:19 PM	#1
s13 @ fullboost Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: St.Petersburg,FL Posts: 2,549 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	Prop 8 yes or no What do you guys think about Prop 8? If you vote YES it means No legal homosexual marriage if you vote NO it means legal homosexual marriage. I want to know what you guys and girls think about this =] Vote away Please remember to be considerate of other people this forum is public so make your reply's Politically correct /responsible please =] __________________ Last edited by s13 @ fullboost; 10-14-2008 at 04:15 PM.. Reason: Typo =/

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SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why not let them get married? Its making it out to be some religious thing... But oh wait, whats that one thing called... oh yeah, the CONSTITUTION. What ever happened to seperation of church and state. In the purely constitutional sense in looking at it, there's no reason. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Its 2 consenting adults, let them do what they want to. And if it wasnt for the gay guys, I'd have no idea how to look good on a date. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

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ALEXTHESUSPECT Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Soul cal!! Age: 46 Posts: 4,387 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: ALEXTHESUSPECT Feedback Score: 5 reviews	most arguments used to go against gay marriges are the same ones used when blacks and whites first started to get together! if it is religion that people choose to hide behind as they reason they are against it, then they aren't following god's rule of love all as equals. we have no right to judge people and their actions. that is what god would do for us! __________________ *TEAM SUSPECT**

10-13-2008, 08:28 PM	#2
twotoes Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kansas City Age: 36 Posts: 293 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im not a fan of gay dudes, gay chicks are hot (yeah its a fucked up view but i cant help it lol) But i dont have a problem with two dudes or two chicks getting married. People say that it should stay a sacred bond between a man and a woman but with the majority of marriages ending in divorce now days whats so sacred anymore?

10-13-2008, 08:38 PM	#3
vodka2 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los angeles Posts: 1,177 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	i dont care if they get married becuase in every religious book they go to hell.

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ZipTiedCoupe BANNED Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Amerika Posts: 309 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^~~Wrong. Bible says as the 2nd greatest commandment that you are to love thy neighbor. Also talks about marriage as a sacred covenant and should be shared by a MAN AND A WOMAN. You can love people, but you dont hav to love what they do. lol, the constitution was drafted by Christians. Christians, Me being one, believe in no homosexual marriages. I know its not right. I voted against Homosexual Marriages.

10-13-2008, 11:17 PM	#11
brian(na8c) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: calimesa Age: 44 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Werd with ziptiedcoup... other than being politically correct, at which point are we allowed to say,"this is'nt right or acceptable in our society". if they want to have equal rights with traditionaly married couples so they can visit eachother at the hospital or whatever, fine. you can say,"oh well it doesnt affect me" but I dont want my kids being force fed this stuff, being told theyre intollerant because God says this isnt the way to live. I just think society needs some boundries...for the good of ALL, not just because I love Jesus

10-13-2008, 11:19 PM	#12
ALEXTHESUSPECT Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Soul cal!! Age: 46 Posts: 4,387 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: ALEXTHESUSPECT Feedback Score: 5 reviews	but what you are also voting for is healthcare covarge for the partner, child custody battles, last will and testimant payouts. there is alot more at stake to many of these couples than just getting the ceramony official! __________________ *TEAM SUSPECT**

10-13-2008, 11:26 PM	#14
ZipTiedCoupe BANNED Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Amerika Posts: 309 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	We can start a seperate bible and beliefs thread if you would like. I am not going to ruin this mans poll thread with my Beliefs. To answer your ? though, The Big Bang theory is merely that, a theory. Same goes for evolution I dont think it should be taught. This nation was founded upon Christian principles and it is my belief to restore those principles. I dont think Homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children either. Think about what it does to the children when they grow up.

10-13-2008, 11:41 PM	#16
brian(na8c) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: calimesa Age: 44 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmm, if your are all about natural selection and survival of the fittest... tell me where homosexuality fits in... i dont believe theyre a "genetic abnormality" its like everything in life a concious choice... and one thats being fed more and more by society.. why would they choose a straight relationship when they were raised being told, "go for it, its cool"? Our Judeo-christian heritage is what MADE this nation... we toss it; we go the way of every other great society..

10-13-2008, 11:46 PM	#17
spikNspan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Jeezy Age: 37 Posts: 488 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm totally for gay marriage. Who are we to tell others who they can or can't marry? wtf is the difference anyways, I seriously can't believe anyone gives a shit about it, but that's just me. __________________

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spoolandslide Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: lost in a bump splice in the fabric of our clockwork Posts: 1,044 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	if all the homos marry each other then they will settle down and stay the fuck out of our lives + if god created only certain men to have an un-natural craving for dick then that sounds like gods fault not the gay man's

10-14-2008, 02:08 AM	#23
vodka2 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los angeles Posts: 1,177 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	ok cool since i brought up beliefs and all lets switch it up again ... WTF?! thinka bout it, a child growing up with two dads or two moms... sit down and really think about it .. that childs mentality and insight on life is going to be pretty screwed up .. but thats just my two cents...-Teacher to kid: "Timmy where is your mom , is she coming today" -Timmy "Which one" ????????pwned.

10-14-2008, 05:57 AM	#26
upstate240sx Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: US Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	lets them be married, its not hurting me any way. with all the hate and violence in this world, i think that last thing we should be voting is against is letting people get married. Where in the hell are all your bible thumping maniacs getting the idea you have to act like gods right hand any how.

10-14-2008, 08:28 AM	#28
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 44 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Everyone deserves the right to be happy. If that happens to be with someone of the same gender, then so be it. Yay for Ellen and Portia!! __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

10-14-2008, 09:45 AM	#30
spngr311 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cocoa, FL Age: 42 Posts: 144 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I don't think gay "marriage" should exist. Marriage is defined by religion - that would be a case of the state forcing a religion to change its beliefs. However, I think there needs to be a legal gay civil union so that homosexuals are afforded the same rights as straight couples in the eyes of the government. This would allow gay couples to adopt children (which is fine because there are too many children that are not helped), have insurance, and other legal rights. I didn't vote in the poll because I didn't agree with either.