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*transient* · 12-12-2002, 10:50 PM

Someone just asked me for a page on the Silvia history, and it reminded me of this page.

Silvia History

drift freaq · 12-13-2002, 11:52 AM

ok that page is not bad but some of his facts are off.
The 180sx namesake did not appear till 89 with the S13 hatch. previous to that the Hatchs were known as Gazelle's.
Also he got his years and engines off. All his year figures are off by 1 year. that is possibly because Nissan officially started manufacturing for sale in the years he listed. Yet for instance anything manufactured in the first model year he listed was actually being produced for the following year. Nissan did not officially sell the S13 till 89 though he has 88 listed in his history.

AKADriver · 12-14-2002, 10:16 PM

Gazelles and Silvias both were available as both coupes and hatches for the S110 and S12 generations...  I can find pictures of a Gazelle coupe or a Silvia hatch.  Gazelle was just a slightly differently trimmed model.

The last Gazelles were sold around '86, I think.. halfway through the S12 generation for model year '87 the S12 become the "New Silvia" like the one in the photo and switched from FJ20ET to CA18DET power (or VG30E in the US 200SX).  In the S13, the CA18DET was a carryover, except for a revised intake manifold and added intercooler.

In Europe they actually did use the 180SX name for some S110s... the badges say "Silvia 180SX".

mixedwell · 12-20-2002, 02:47 AM

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The 180sx namesake did not appear till 89 with the S13 hatch. previous to that the Hatchs were known as Gazelle's.

actually... the term 180sx on the S13 chasis didnt start until late 1990. if you ever see japanese or australian (same thing) 1988-1990 180sx's they say 200sx on the back. so yeah. also these were CA powered!

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Also he got his years and engines off. All his year figures are off by 1 year. that is possibly because Nissan officially started manufacturing for sale in the years he listed. Yet for instance anything manufactured in the first model year he listed was actually being produced for the following year. Nissan did not officially sell the S13 till 89 though he has 88 listed in his history.

**AHEM** ...in North America and Europe the S13s started selling in 89. the official release of the S13s was in 1988 in japan and australia, and maybe other parts in Asia. obviously the guys is from around the area so he is technically correct.

AKADriver · 12-24-2002, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by mixedwell
actually... the term 180sx on the S13 chasis didnt start until late 1990. if you ever see japanese or australian (same thing) 1988-1990 180sx's they say 200sx on the back. so yeah. also these were CA powered!

What?

Australia never got the (RP)S13 officially, in any form. In Japan the fastback S13 was always 180SX, both CA ('89-'90) and SR ('91-'98) models. The S13 200SX was in EUROPE, all CA powered '89-'93.

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**AHEM** ...in North America and Europe the S13s started selling in 89. the official release of the S13s was in 1988 in japan and australia, and maybe other parts in Asia. obviously the guys is from around the area so he is technically correct.

Calendar year 1988, model year 1989. Australia goes by calendar years for imported cars. The S13 Silvia and 180SX were released more or less concurrently with the S13 240SX, as '89 models in summer '88.

boro240 · 01-03-2003, 08:44 PM

the CA18DET was not a direct carry over from the S12. the S12 had the CA18ET, a SOHC version.

vg30s12 · 02-06-2003, 08:33 AM

I'll say his facts are off. VG20 2.0 V6?? Try again.

AKADriver · 02-06-2003, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by boro240
the CA18DET was not a direct carry over from the S12. the S12 had the CA18ET, a SOHC version.

US S12 had the CA18ET.

JDM '87-'88 S12s had the CA18DET without an intercooler good for 170ps.

Hell, there's a PICTURE of it on that site. Look closely at the S12 "New Silvia". The picture shows a CA18DET valve cover! A CA18ET looks nothing like that.

vg30s12 · 02-06-2003, 11:15 AM

USDM S12's had the CA18ET as an option from model years 84-86. For 87-88 the Turbo was dropped in favor of the VG30E. The base line engine for all USDM S12's (84-88) was the CA20E.

Crab Spirits · 04-13-2003, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by vg30s12
I'll say his facts are off. VG20 2.0 V6?? Try again.

VG20 and VG20et 2.0 do exist if that is what you are trying to say. It also came in some Z31 Fairlady 200zg's around the same time period.

Crab Spirits · 04-13-2003, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by AKADriver
What? Australia never got the (RP)S13 officially, in any form. In Japan the fastback S13 was always 180SX, both CA ('89-'90) and SR ('91-'98) models. The S13 200SX was in EUROPE, all CA powered '89-

200sx was only in Europe? I once saw an s13 fb with "200sx" side panels in a junkyard. It didn't look like the kind of car that an enthusiat (that would put such an emblem on) would own. Unfortunately, it was on the top of the heap, so I couldn't see what engine was in it.

vg30s12 · 04-13-2003, 12:52 PM

If it was an S13, then it was a 240SX..the same car was called 200SX in Europe.....if it was a USDM S12, then that car was called 200SX.

jsd21hb · 04-21-2003, 09:00 PM

so they changed the body alittle in 1990?

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02-06-2003, 08:33 AM	#7
vg30s12 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina, USA Age: 47 Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'll say his facts are off. VG20 2.0 V6?? Try again. __________________ Christopher Scott 1988 200SX SE V6

02-06-2003, 11:15 AM	#9
vg30s12 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina, USA Age: 47 Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	USDM S12's had the CA18ET as an option from model years 84-86. For 87-88 the Turbo was dropped in favor of the VG30E. The base line engine for all USDM S12's (84-88) was the CA20E. __________________ Christopher Scott 1988 200SX SE V6

04-13-2003, 12:52 PM	#12
vg30s12 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Raleigh, North Carolina, USA Age: 47 Posts: 28 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If it was an S13, then it was a 240SX..the same car was called 200SX in Europe.....if it was a USDM S12, then that car was called 200SX. __________________ Christopher Scott 1988 200SX SE V6

12-14-2002, 10:16 PM	#3
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 42 Posts: 3,475 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Gazelles and Silvias both were available as both coupes and hatches for the S110 and S12 generations...  I can find pictures of a Gazelle coupe or a Silvia hatch.  Gazelle was just a slightly differently trimmed model. The last Gazelles were sold around '86, I think.. halfway through the S12 generation for model year '87 the S12 become the "New Silvia" like the one in the photo and switched from FJ20ET to CA18DET power (or VG30E in the US 200SX).  In the S13, the CA18DET was a carryover, except for a revised intake manifold and added intercooler. In Europe they actually did use the 180SX name for some S110s... the badges say "Silvia 180SX".

01-03-2003, 08:44 PM	#6
boro240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ Age: 39 Posts: 1,324 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the CA18DET was not a direct carry over from the S12. the S12 had the CA18ET, a SOHC version.

04-21-2003, 09:00 PM	#13
jsd21hb Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: rockford illlinois Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so they changed the body alittle in 1990?