The Future Automotive Thread

[FormulaDz92]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I will also say that the FRS/BRZ/GT86 pretty much is the modern version of a bone stock U.S. Market S13 and that is exactly its biggest problem.
Toyota and Suburu made the exact same misstep that Nissan made . This time in fear of the BRZ over shadowing the BRZ.
Hence modern car could be so good but comes so crippled in my opinion.

I think you mean "in fear of the BRZ over shadowing the WRX."

[exitspeed]

One more nail in the coffin.

The Ultimate Boring Machine coming soon.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/stick-b...l-free-future/

[exitspeed]

Hey and THIS is cool. Perfect this and it'll be great for the industry in general.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/magna...e-future-cars/

Ford has some catching up to GM to do as far as weight savings and this is just good news industry wide.

[exitspeed]

Looks like a Supra to me. Even those taillights.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/toyot...#slide-4712993

[drift freaq]

Very Supra like and not sure if I like it looks wise. It looks kinda like a blown up Z4.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Very Supra like and not sure if I like it looks wise. It looks kinda like a blown up Z4.

Tough to judge it wrapped up. We should know soon.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by FormulaDz92

I think you mean "in fear of the BRZ over shadowing the WRX."

Ya that was a typo because I was tired lol

[exitspeed]

GT500 spied with vents and a big wing.

http://www.autoblog.com/amp/2017/03/...ent-spy-photo/

[FormulaDz92]

Very very excited to see one of those on the road or at the track.

[stukellymotorsports]

lincoln ls

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by stukellymotorsports

lincoln ls

So confused by this post. So vague, yet somehow still relevant. And it's their first post.

[cdlong]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

So confused by this post. So vague, yet somehow still relevant. And it's their first post.

?? The Mustang used to be loosely based on the Lincoln LS. The S197 chassis was a modified DEW chassis with different suspension and made cheaper. I'm not sure how closely related the S550 chassis is but if this wikipedia page is correct, it's just a heavily revised version of the S197. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D2C_platform

Other than that, I have no idea what he's getting at.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by cdlong

?? The Mustang used to be loosely based on the Lincoln LS. The S197 chassis was a modified DEW chassis with different suspension and made cheaper. I'm not sure how closely related the S550 chassis is but if this wikipedia page is correct, it's just a heavily revised version of the S197. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_D2C_platform

Other than that, I have no idea what he's getting at.

Yeah I just meant the LS is at least RWD and came in a manual. Other than that I have no clue where he was going.

I've LONG said that Ford's revival of Lincoln hinged on a RWD sedan based on the Mustang platform (the same formula used to make Infiniti and Cadillac relevant). NOW however I'm not so sure. When even the King of the Hill 3 Series (and virtually every other luxury sedan in the market) is seeing a rapid decline, it seems the lame as public has moved beyond sport sedans and it's no longer a platform to build a brand upon. CUVs and EVs are the future.

[kingkilburn]

When is the last time BMW put out a truly exciting vehicle? They've rested hard on those laurels.

I feel like there hasn't been a serious commitment to rwd outside of a handful of specific models. Lots and lots of not quite there. Stick shift and decent power literally is not much to ask for, but no one wants to do it.

[MrBrightSide]

The Japanese press reports that NISSAN is working on an small/medium sports FR platform, to revive the Silvia

[FormulaDz92]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

When is the last time BMW put out a truly exciting vehicle? They've rested hard on those laurels.

I feel like there hasn't been a serious commitment to rwd outside of a handful of specific models. Lots and lots of not quite there. Stick shift and decent power literally is not much to ask for, but no one wants to do it.

I drove a 2 Series M-Sport at a press event a while ago and thought it was a really great fun-to-drive car. And if give any thought to what Jeremy Clarkson says the, M2 is truly great. The M2 is the new E46 M3 + turbo noises.

[d9m13n]

[QUOTE=MrBrightSide;6182783]The Japanese press reports that NISSAN is working on an small/medium sports FR platform, to revive the Silvia

Link? More info? Any sort of hard evidence or just speculation from the same magazine picture from a few pages ago in this thread?

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by MrBrightSide

The Japanese press reports that NISSAN is working on an small/medium sports FR platform, to revive the Silvia

BS. Click bait essentially. Nothing has been uttered from Nissan about this since they axed the iDX.

[Dutchmalmiss]

When it's basically just a fanmade rendering on the cover, you treat it as automotive tabloids haha.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

When it's basically just a fanmade rendering on the cover, you treat it as automotive tabloids haha.

And they didn't even remotely try using the V Motion 2.0 design language which is Nissans new direction.

[exitspeed]

Some numbers reiterating what I've been saying about the decline of car sales.

http://jalopnik.com/nobodys-buying-c...1793959638/amp

This is also a major contributor to the decline of manual transmissions. Almost no one with an SUV wants to row their own. But man if I could have night my CX9 with a manual I 100% would have.

[drift freaq]

Actually Mel even used car sales are off. Oh and people selling used cars are basing there selling price off of KBB online which quite often does not match real market value. Result is you see dealers offering used cars with warranty, for close to the same price as the private party used car prices.

It's pretty crazy I mean I see dealers offering stuff like a 2013 Ford Focus 45k on the clock with Ford certified pre owned warranty for under 9k listed price and people trying to sell the same car with 80k on it for 7-8k.
I have had my 2005 Sentra SER spec V up for sale for two months now for just over 3k on Craigslist it's clean paint nice, interior runs great , has average mileage for its age 123k .
It's dead in the water, I am probably going to blow it out the door for $2800-2900.

SER enthuisiasts will tell you it's worth 4K lol

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Actually Mel even used car sales are off. Oh and people selling used cars are basing there selling price off of KBB online which quite often does not match real market value. Result is you see dealers offering used cars with warranty, for close to the same price as the private party used car prices.

It's pretty crazy I mean I see dealers offering stuff like a 2013 Ford Focus 45k on the clock with Ford certified pre owned warranty for under 9k listed price and people trying to sell the same car with 80k on it for 7-8k.
I have had my 2005 Sentra SER spec V up for sale for two months now for just over 3k on Craigslist it's clean paint nice, interior runs great , has average mileage for its age 123k .
It's dead in the water, I am probably going to blow it out the door for $2800-2900.

SER enthuisiasts will tell you it's worth 4K lol

The figures are in relation to cars vs CUVs. People aren't buying cars anymore.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The figures are in relation to cars vs CUVs. People aren't buying cars anymore.

I was completely aware of that.
just adding into the conversation with the fact that it's a overall phenomena . I.E. It's going on in the used car arena as well.

[FormulaDz92]

Maybe it's just me but isn't the typical crossover just a slightly taller wagon? You say the word station wagon to a person in their 20s or 30s and they cringe and say something like "That's what my parents/grandparents had," but then they waltz on down to the stealership and fork over nearly $30k for a wagon/hatchback that's lifted 2 inchs or an SUV that's been lowered 2 inches and think it makes them seem like fun, active people. I don't get it. Personally, I'd rather have a true car any day. In fact I drive a '94 Jeep Cherokee now and am seriously considering getting rid of it for a 06 ish WRX or (9-2x Aero (Saabaru).

[lunchmeat]

Yea, pretty much a station wagon.

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[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by FormulaDz92

Maybe it's just me but isn't the typical crossover just a slightly taller wagon? You say the word station wagon to a person in their 20s or 30s and they cringe and say something like "That's what my parents/grandparents had," but then they waltz on down to the stealership and fork over nearly $30k for a wagon/hatchback that's lifted 2 inchs or an SUV that's been lowered 2 inches and think it makes them seem like fun, active people. I don't get it. Personally, I'd rather have a true car any day. In fact I drive a '94 Jeep Cherokee now and am seriously considering getting rid of it for a 06 ish WRX or (9-2x Aero (Saabaru).

Yes, their all essentially wagons. Over the last 25 years wagons have been few and far between. Believe it or not there's somewhat of a wagon revival about to happen. Which is great. I'd definitely get a wagon over a CUV, if only there was such a thing today as a three row wagon. My grandpa had an old wagon with the seat that faced the back. My cousins and I would have so much damn fun in that seat.

[dorkidori_s13]

i love my wagon!!! WAGON LIFE WOOT!!! zero complaints here! hauls everything i need it to... looks great, but needs a turbo!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

looks great, but needs a turbo!

IMO, the single flaw of that car. One of my favorite wagons of all time.

[exitspeed]

Right one cue, the Reagan wagon debuts. Doooope.

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/04/04/2...#slide-4972405