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Old 01-14-2018, 07:24 PM   #17491
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What tire did you have in the front? Any issues as far as turning or rubbing?

Im thinking with my 18x8s +38 with 1in extended lca I should be good. Only thing im worried about is brake clearance with the face since I have low offset faces. If thats the case then i'll ditch the extended lca and do just a spacer till lip the fronts another inch. Making it 18x9 +26
You're going to have to run at least a 5mm spacer with those to clear your front struts anyway, maybe more depending on the design of the knuckle mount on your coilovers and camber and tyre size
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Yes, looks again to be Hot Road front bar with OEM sides and rear. Thanks for posting this.


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lol, people hate all over brands like mine for reproducing factory aero parts in FRP and what not... but when hotroad did it, no one makes a peep!
While it does appear they reproduced the OEM front bumper in one piece fashion (which, you have to admit, differs from a straight copy as they modified it to be one piece) they also produced two original bumpers. Granted they were based on the OEM version heavily and they just added their own vents, they did still create something original. That's likely where people see a difference. It's creating something original themselves, not directly copying something another company created mold for mold.

I am in no way trying to be a jerk or pick a fight, just pointing out what some people's reasoning might be.


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Itai rep was cringeworthy enough. That really needs to not become a thing.
Woooo shots fired, hahaha. I thought Joe did a great job with his car. I understand the sentiment that replica cars are a bummer too though. However, I don't think it could have been executed much more tastefully than his was. Add the fact that Itai himself was stoked on it and I think he more than deserves a pass. We are all entitled to our opinion though!


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some of us prefer unpulled metal with minimal camber and meatier tires... rubber bands are weak sauce! would rather actually get all of my cars power to the ground instead of an inches worth
Again, a totally fair opinion. However, many of the cars being accused of being "trendy stance boys" and people just following modern day trends in this thread (like myself) are running the exact same specs as Itoh from nearly two decades before:



Hardly a modern day trend at that point. I DO agree that running -15º of camber and a 205/40 on a 11J wheel or something would be following current trends (a trend I feel is kind of dying off again anyway... but maybe I just don't see it as much as I used to.)
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What tire did you have in the front? Any issues as far as turning or rubbing?
I was running 214/40/18 front and 235/40/18 rear at the time. I had like -5* front and maybe -3 to -4* rear with a slight pull. No issues rubbing but I rolled everything to make clearance.

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Itai rep was cringeworthy enough. That really needs to not become a thing.
Hey man I don't see the need to talk shit about my car seeing how well built and executed it is. I can see your perspective since you make liveries its not cool to copy others. Itai's car basically got me into 180s and its always been my favorite so I wanted one for my own. Especially considering how hard it was to collect all the proper parts and it it justice.

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I thought Joe did a great job with his car. However, I don't think it could have been executed much more tastefully than his was. Add the fact that Itai himself was stoked on it and I think he more than deserves a pass.
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Agreed on the point of people wrongly using "stance boy" with 2000's style drift cars. These wheel specs and low ride heights were used way before the stance trend came along. Most drift cars run 0-2* of negative camber and get plenty of grip.
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Itai's car basically got me into 180s and its always been my favorite so I wanted one for my own. Especially considering how hard it was to collect all the proper parts and it it justice.
100% agree on the first statement except for me, it was Koguchi that sparked my passion for this chassis.

Also, I do not consider your car a replica. While you may have the look and some of the same parts, you don't have ALL the same parts as Itai's 180sx and thats what is awesome. Took a recipe and made it your own. I could throw the same decals Koguchi had on my car right now and people would probably say it was a Koguchi replica. I do want to add decals but add the brands i have on my 180, again being my own twist.

As far as the stance trend, its part of the game. Even though I do not support that trend, it supports the entire scene and I'm cool with it. As far as settings go, I was rocking 7-8 degrees up front and 1.5 degrees in the rear.
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If one calls Joe's machine cringeworthy, then one better have a cooler car than Joe!
You mean Itai's machine? Or is it Joe's machine now? I'm confused, and this is exactly my point.

Obviously the car is amazing, because Itai built it.

The idea/act of recreating someone's car is awkward to me, especially when it's an extremely iconic car. I understand the surface thinking of "I like it, so i'm going to recreate it,” but there is a much bigger picture to think about. There's a rich history attached to a car like that. Imitation stops being flattering when attribution to the original creator begins to fade away, and that is bound to happen over time with stuff like this (it literally just did).

For the sake of re-framing the scenario - picture someone building an exact replica of Josh Maghirang's 180 with the pinstripe. The sentiment would almost certainly not be the same. There are certain things that should live and die with their creators.

I’m not talking shit, just voicing my opinion.

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Dude like chill. Like really take a moment sit back think about it, is it really this big a deal to type all that. I didn't even read it all.
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Antoine I have a confession. I screenshot a lot of your 180sx ig story posts.
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Dude like chill. Like really take a moment sit back think about it, is it really this big a deal to type all that. I didn't even read it all.
I now realize the only thing you care about is how something looks, so here's my response in picture form. I even did a sick BREAK ITO font!



Anyway, i'm just trying to make people think about this stuff a little bit. Maybe that's weird, but It's not all just pictures on the internet. You're making me feel old af haha

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Yeah it's pretty sweet...
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The overuse of the word like was supposed to give you that hippy "chilllllll out maaannnnn" vibe

Anyway let's agree to disagree my man!

Ps. Trust me I too am geeked to the max with this stuff. We should hang out sometime.

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The overuse of the word like was supposed to give you that hippy "chilllllll out maaannnnn" vibe

Anyway let's agree to disagree my man!

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You mean Itai's machine? Or is it Joe's machine now? I'm confused, and this is exactly my point.

Obviously the car is amazing, because Itai built it.

The idea/act of recreating someone's car is awkward to me, especially when it's an extremely iconic car. I understand the surface thinking of "I like it, so i'm going to recreate it,” but there is a much bigger picture to think about. There's a rich history attached to a car like that. Imitation stops being flattering when attribution to the original creator begins to fade away, and that is bound to happen over time with stuff like this (it literally just did).

For the sake of re-framing the scenario - picture someone building an exact replica of Josh Maghirang's 180 with the pinstripe. The sentiment would almost certainly not be the same. There are certain things that should live and die with their creators.

I’m not talking shit, just voicing my opinion.
I fully respect this and I can agree with a lot of what you're saying. I typically have a similar mindset, I probably am just siding a bit with Joe because he is a good friend of mine and a nice guy, lol. I do enjoy his car though- granted, it's going through some changes this off season that will essentially make this whole discussion moot by spring.

I had a similar feeling when I got the Blitz Z2s for my car. Being a black 180 with a Hot Road bumper, it was bound to stir some emotions. Many people pleaded with me to add the Koguchi livery, but I just couldn't do that. I felt it more appropriate to pull items and influence from multiple cars that I liked and blend it into something that I could call my own, even if heavily inspired by others that came before me. I am sure people had problems with me even "recreating it" to the extent I did, but it is what it is.

I appreciate your willingness to go more in-depth and explain your viewpoint without just jumping to insulting others and being childish. I think this thread is always portrayed as a place where everyone has the exact same taste, so it's healthy to have people disagree and have intelligent discussions about their opinions.

Been a fan of your work for a long time sir, keep it up.


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Antoine I have a confession. I screenshot a lot of your 180sx ig story posts.
I do this all the time too. Car is so good!


Always fighting the urge to change things on this car. So difficult!

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You mean Itai's machine? Or is it Joe's machine now? I'm confused, and this is exactly my point.

Obviously the car is amazing, because Itai built it.
There is more than the exterior side of my car that is totally different than Itai. Only resemblance would be the exterior.

But its all good man. Like Damon said below the car currently sits in "not full itai." There are many changes that I am doing to the car for next year so it will no longer be that Itai car.

I actually think you will like it being that we do enjoy the same style cars. I am a big fan of your work and respect how far you've come since I followed you on instagram before all the animal style stuff. I actually inboxed you on insta a few months ago about some stuff but didn't hear back. lol


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I do enjoy his car though- granted, it's going through some changes this off season that will essentially make this whole discussion moot by spring.

Thanks man!

On topic now, here's the only pic I took of Damon and Tony at Final Bout 3.

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I felt it more appropriate to pull items and influence from multiple cars that I liked and blend it into something that I could call my own, even if heavily inspired by others that came before me. I am sure people had problems with me even "recreating it" to the extent I did, but it is what it is.

I appreciate your willingness to go more in-depth and explain your viewpoint without just jumping to insulting others and being childish. I think this thread is always portrayed as a place where everyone has the exact same taste, so it's healthy to have people disagree and have intelligent discussions about their opinions.

Been a fan of your work for a long time sir, keep it up.
Yeah, I should point out that i'm only talking about direct recreation, not influence/inspiration. Your car is yours, and you've always done an incredible job at taking inspiration and building something beautiful. I appreciate the kind words!

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There is more than the exterior side of my car that is totally different than Itai. Only resemblance would be the exterior.

But its all good man. Like Damon said below the car currently sits in "not full itai." There are many changes that I am doing to the car for next year so it will no longer be that Itai car.

I actually think you will like it being that we do enjoy the same style cars. I am a big fan of your work and respect how far you've come since I followed you on instagram before all the animal style stuff. I actually inboxed you on insta a few months ago about some stuff but didn't hear back. lol
I get that this became a personal attack, because not many people have done it. I'm mainly trying to comment on the idea/act of it, not you on a personal level. It was the comment where someone mentioned rebuilding Koguchi's 180 that tipped me over the edge. I just take certain things too seriously I guess. I know this whole thing might leave a sour taste in your mouth, but meeting people in person is an entirely different experience. Look forward to that day Thank you for the kind words. I have not checked my inbox in a while haha. Life is kicking my ass, and commisioned work is few and far between at the moment >_<
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Whats the name of the red kouki just above ^ with the wakos logo. See it all the time and between koguchi, itai, and that car is exactly what im trying to bring back. Almost like the oldschool option videos.

Also that other red kouki is a local, its immaculate, stock ka boosted for 8+ years also my buddy runs myculture! Here is some pics in unedited(quick color correction off scanner) 35mm film if anyone likes that.

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Old 01-17-2018, 10:17 PM   #17515
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nice work, well done.

edit: dont know about the wakos car but maybe someone else might.
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some of us prefer unpulled metal with minimal camber and meatier tires... rubber bands are weak sauce! would rather actually get all of my cars power to the ground instead of an inches worth
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You mean Itai's machine? Or is it Joe's machine now? I'm confused, and this is exactly my point.

Obviously the car is amazing, because Itai built it.

The idea/act of recreating someone's car is awkward to me, especially when it's an extremely iconic car. I understand the surface thinking of "I like it, so i'm going to recreate it,” but there is a much bigger picture to think about. There's a rich history attached to a car like that. Imitation stops being flattering when attribution to the original creator begins to fade away, and that is bound to happen over time with stuff like this (it literally just did).

For the sake of re-framing the scenario - picture someone building an exact replica of Josh Maghirang's 180 with the pinstripe. The sentiment would almost certainly not be the same. There are certain things that should live and die with their creators.

I’m not talking shit, just voicing my opinion.
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I see where your coming from bigs, I know the difference between itai's car and joe's. we've see itai's car posted in this thread a dozen times. but im still not mad at joe for building his car to replicate that style. I see it as more of a tribute then a rip-off.


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I see where your coming from bigs, I know the difference between itai's car and joe's. we've see itai's car posted in this thread a dozen times. but im still not mad at joe for building his car to replicate that style. I see it as more of a tribute then a rip-off.
speaking of replicating haha I need 17s badly lol
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Lol. Thanks! I’m dumb and still haven’t figured out what to use instead of photobucket so I just stopped posting lol.

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