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Ugly SR · 05-28-2015, 08:13 AM

Really odd problem, I have a 1989 SOHC bone stock except and air filter from the previous owner. The CEL light comes off and on at random, doesn't seem to change anything. Also the HUD comes on after about 20 min of driving.. My problem is, randomly the car will not rev over 5k. When it hits 5k, it bogs out until the tach drops down to about 3...then can rev again. This happens completely at random and has not been related to the CEL or HUD working/not working. Normally I don't care, because I don't rev the car all that much, but I just want it to be in good running stock condition... Any advise greatly appreciated.

Thedriftbadger · 05-28-2015, 11:39 AM

You have a check engine light on and you didn't pull the codes?

Ugly SR · 05-28-2015, 12:47 PM

It comes and goes, sometimes I wont see it for a month. When it comes on it only stays on for a few min. I guess the code may still be stored in ecu?

Thedriftbadger · 05-28-2015, 08:55 PM

Yes it will have the code(s) stored. Most codes won't even turn the light on. Read the codes, post what you find.

Ugly SR · 12-09-2015, 10:42 AM

So I finally pulled the codes.. what i'm getting is a slow double flash, and a fast 3 count

so 23

then a fast 4 pause, thena fast 5 count

so 45

then a long single flash

so 1?

I've been reading, so far Im not seeing what the FSM says about only the a single light at a time flashing. Both red and green flash...

Cant seem to find 23 any where, 45 would be a leaky injector. It is a cali car also

ideas greatly appreciated...

Gingersmurf · 12-09-2015, 10:56 AM

http://www.infamousnissan.com/forum/...ad.php?t=20905

23 Idle Switch
45 Injector Leak

And i cant find any about 1.. pretty sure that's just a blink to tell you when the codes are being repeated. Can't confirm this though

Ugly SR · 12-09-2015, 11:21 AM

Thank you.

TwoHundredForty · 12-09-2015, 03:31 PM

Hi uglysr.

Ive had the same exact symptoms and my fix was cleaning the maf and making sure the 3 wires that connect to the maf are not damaged or gunky. Btw this was also on a sohc. So i hope this helps.

wuthbeo · 12-09-2015, 11:46 PM

Most codes won't even turn the light on. Read the codes, post what you find.

Ugly SR · 12-11-2015, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwoHundredForty

Hi uglysr.

Ive had the same exact symptoms and my fix was cleaning the maf and making sure the 3 wires that connect to the maf are not damaged or gunky. Btw this was also on a sohc. So i hope this helps.

I will look into this, thanks. I just went to have it smogged and it failed. blew 1500 something at 15mpg, but only 450 at 35mph... So maybe the leaking injector has something to do with this.

Ugly SR · 12-11-2015, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuthbeo

Most codes won't even turn the light on. Read the codes, post what you find.

So I finally pulled the codes.. what i'm getting is a slow double flash, and a fast 3 count

so 23

then a fast 4 pause, thena fast 5 count

so 45

then a long single flash

so 1?

I've been reading, so far Im not seeing what the FSM says about only the a single light at a time flashing. Both red and green flash...

Cant seem to find 23 any where, 45 would be a leaky injector. It is a cali car also

***dorkidori_s13*** · 12-11-2015, 10:53 AM

time to replace your injector o-rings. remember kids, these cars are stupidly OLD!!!

a set of new o-rings will run you a whopping 20 dollars from most autoparts store. get yourself some vaseline, pull the injectors, slide old o-rings off, slide new ones on, lube the crap out of the injector with the vaseline (its a petroleum based lucubration that will dissolve when the fuel hits and will not cause any harm to your motor), slide injectors back in VERY careful (twist them back and forth when reinserting), injector will pop into place when properly seated again... after all is said and done, enjoy proper injector ring seal again

the idle switch issue im clueless on given ive never really owned a KA for an extended period of time enough to give a shit about the general operation of the motor.

PS: do yourself a HUGE favor and clean your MAF as well... a dirty MAF sensor will cause all kinds of stupid problems. go to autozone, buy some MAF cleaner (its in a grey bottle), unplug your MAF sensor, take the 2 screws out, take MAF sensor out, spray down with MAF cleaner, soak a q-tip with MAF cleaner and gently run it along the 2 small wires (GENTLY DAMN IT!), spray MAF again with a good amount of cleaner, reassemble!

Ugly SR · 12-11-2015, 11:07 AM

So the leaking injector is not the injector itself, but the oring? Would this cause it to run rich? Going to the store today to get cleaner for the maf. Thanks for the heads up.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 12-11-2015, 12:06 PM

i forgot, single cams are top feed, heres a few things on how top feed injectors can leak

At the top O-ring where the fuel injector is located in the fuel rail. (Repairable – replace O-ring)
The fuel injector body (Not repairable – discard fuel Injector)
The fuel Injector pintle, ball or disc seat due to damage or corrosion (Not repairable, Discard Injector)
The fuel injector pintle, ball or disc seat due to dirt (Repairable – ultrasonic fuel injector cleaning)

a leaking injector can cause an extreme rich condition and blow out the spark in the cylinder from the spark plug. youll need to yank your injectors and figure out which is leaking. its not a bad idea to do a refresh on ALL of them given the age of the rubber.

Ugly SR · 12-11-2015, 12:30 PM

all good information, thank you. I'm going to see if I can find a few know good ones to swap out. From looking at the them, nothing is wet or even smells of fuel..nor does it seem to be running rich. I recently changed all the plugs and they were consistent color across the board..

***dorkidori_s13*** · 12-11-2015, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly SR

all good information, thank you. I'm going to see if I can find a few know good ones to swap out. From looking at the them, nothing is wet or even smells of fuel..nor does it seem to be running rich. I recently changed all the plugs and they were consistent color across the board..

again, 20+ year old fuel injectors. instead of replacing them with injectors just as old, buy new ones. i think its like $120 for a complete set.

jedi03 · 12-11-2015, 05:05 PM

Check compression and spark plugs too...tuneups are never bad!

Ugly SR · 12-14-2015, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedi03

Check compression and spark plugs too...tuneups are never bad!

Just did plugs, they were all normal, no signs of anything bad or leaking. Compression should be fine and wouldnt cause any of the issues I'm having.

05-28-2015, 08:13 AM	#1
Ugly SR Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 66 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SOHC fuel cut issues? (ka) Really odd problem, I have a 1989 SOHC bone stock except and air filter from the previous owner. The CEL light comes off and on at random, doesn't seem to change anything. Also the HUD comes on after about 20 min of driving.. My problem is, randomly the car will not rev over 5k. When it hits 5k, it bogs out until the tach drops down to about 3...then can rev again. This happens completely at random and has not been related to the CEL or HUD working/not working. Normally I don't care, because I don't rev the car all that much, but I just want it to be in good running stock condition... Any advise greatly appreciated. __________________ 89' s13 88' quest

05-28-2015, 12:47 PM	#3
Ugly SR Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 66 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It comes and goes, sometimes I wont see it for a month. When it comes on it only stays on for a few min. I guess the code may still be stored in ecu? __________________ 89' s13 88' quest

12-09-2015, 10:42 AM	#5
Ugly SR Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 66 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So I finally pulled the codes.. what i'm getting is a slow double flash, and a fast 3 count so 23 then a fast 4 pause, thena fast 5 count so 45 then a long single flash so 1? I've been reading, so far Im not seeing what the FSM says about only the a single light at a time flashing. Both red and green flash... Cant seem to find 23 any where, 45 would be a leaky injector. It is a cali car also ideas greatly appreciated... __________________ 89' s13 88' quest

12-09-2015, 11:21 AM	#7
Ugly SR Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 66 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thank you. __________________ 89' s13 88' quest

12-11-2015, 10:53 AM	#12
*dorkidori_s13* ITS LISA'S FAULT!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas Age: 42 Posts: 7,487 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	time to replace your injector o-rings. remember kids, these cars are stupidly OLD!!! a set of new o-rings will run you a whopping 20 dollars from most autoparts store. get yourself some vaseline, pull the injectors, slide old o-rings off, slide new ones on, lube the crap out of the injector with the vaseline (its a petroleum based lucubration that will dissolve when the fuel hits and will not cause any harm to your motor), slide injectors back in VERY careful (twist them back and forth when reinserting), injector will pop into place when properly seated again... after all is said and done, enjoy proper injector ring seal again the idle switch issue im clueless on given ive never really owned a KA for an extended period of time enough to give a shit about the general operation of the motor. PS: do yourself a HUGE favor and clean your MAF as well... a dirty MAF sensor will cause all kinds of stupid problems. go to autozone, buy some MAF cleaner (its in a grey bottle), unplug your MAF sensor, take the 2 screws out, take MAF sensor out, spray down with MAF cleaner, soak a q-tip with MAF cleaner and gently run it along the 2 small wires (GENTLY DAMN IT!), spray MAF again with a good amount of cleaner, reassemble! __________________ Check out my IG for what I'm up to! DORKIDORI INSTAGRAM!!!

05-28-2015, 11:39 AM	#2
Thedriftbadger Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: ontario Posts: 305 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You have a check engine light on and you didn't pull the codes?

05-28-2015, 08:55 PM	#4
Thedriftbadger Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: ontario Posts: 305 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes it will have the code(s) stored. Most codes won't even turn the light on. Read the codes, post what you find.

12-09-2015, 03:31 PM	#8
TwoHundredForty Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: SoCal Age: 31 Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hi uglysr. Ive had the same exact symptoms and my fix was cleaning the maf and making sure the 3 wires that connect to the maf are not damaged or gunky. Btw this was also on a sohc. So i hope this helps.

12-09-2015, 11:46 PM	#9
wuthbeo Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Most codes won't even turn the light on. Read the codes, post what you find.

12-11-2015, 11:07 AM	#13
Ugly SR Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 66 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So the leaking injector is not the injector itself, but the oring? Would this cause it to run rich? Going to the store today to get cleaner for the maf. Thanks for the heads up. __________________ 89' s13 88' quest

12-11-2015, 12:06 PM	#14
*dorkidori_s13* ITS LISA'S FAULT!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas Age: 42 Posts: 7,487 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	i forgot, single cams are top feed, heres a few things on how top feed injectors can leak At the top O-ring where the fuel injector is located in the fuel rail. (Repairable – replace O-ring) The fuel injector body (Not repairable – discard fuel Injector) The fuel Injector pintle, ball or disc seat due to damage or corrosion (Not repairable, Discard Injector) The fuel injector pintle, ball or disc seat due to dirt (Repairable – ultrasonic fuel injector cleaning) a leaking injector can cause an extreme rich condition and blow out the spark in the cylinder from the spark plug. youll need to yank your injectors and figure out which is leaking. its not a bad idea to do a refresh on ALL of them given the age of the rubber. __________________ Check out my IG for what I'm up to! DORKIDORI INSTAGRAM!!!

12-11-2015, 12:30 PM	#15
Ugly SR Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Everywhere Posts: 66 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	all good information, thank you. I'm going to see if I can find a few know good ones to swap out. From looking at the them, nothing is wet or even smells of fuel..nor does it seem to be running rich. I recently changed all the plugs and they were consistent color across the board.. __________________ 89' s13 88' quest

12-11-2015, 05:05 PM	#17
jedi03 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: albuquerque Posts: 1,836 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Check compression and spark plugs too...tuneups are never bad!