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4DOOR_LIFE · 01-20-2012, 05:20 AM

Some douche who is also a member on here, attempted to pull the kbb card on my 89 hatch. So he could get money on top of the pos he was considering trading.

onehundredoctane · 01-20-2012, 06:06 AM

My God why hasn't a mod locked this?

240's are like cockroaches (S13's at least), there everywhere, plus they weren't low production numbers. This is why Kouki S14's are priced stupidly, not a lot made, and the fanboi's are all over them.

Banana_Cute · 01-20-2012, 08:00 AM

Kelly Blue Book dont give a fuck what this car can do, or why is it so hot to get.

Its a fucking 240sx. relax. People will try and sell these cars to make a quick buck to buyers who are willing to.

I just saw a SALVAGED TITLE ZENKI. for $5500.. AUTOMATIC. fuuuccck. Im sure the owner got it for half that price. and probably used the car as a daily.

Bushido · 01-20-2012, 09:47 AM

If you wanna know what will happen to the value of the s chassis cars all you gotta do is look at the price trends of s30s. A few years ago you could get a very nice example for 2-3 grand, fastforward to now and the price has risen to 6-7.

The 240sx will become a collector classic eventually and when it does, the value will rise

ashtonroche · 01-20-2012, 09:58 AM

Maybe 10 years from now when all the shitty ones that are wrecked from the Dorifto Wanna Bee's and the rusted out ones are in the junk yard.

When finding a clean one becomes rare, then you will see the price go up. Damaged, rusted, or poorly maintained ones will not be affected.

RedSiBaron · 01-20-2012, 11:06 AM

Kbb said my car is worth 4k, I wouldn't pay that for my heap of scrap metal...

Im not paying more on insurance because you think your 240 is worth the drifter tax that dumb kids put on them.

landins13 · 01-20-2012, 11:33 AM

there are far too many $1500 s13's out there with no motor or interior. I bought my s13 pre-drift tax for 600 bucks with less than 100k on the clock a running dohc ka and no rust or body damage. yeah its got a brown interior but there were no cracks or gashes in anything.

its all relative. people a stupid and as long as people are stupid they will continue to pay stupidly high prices for 240's.

as a sell why the hell would you price your car at the fair market value when you know some idiot will pay you 2-3k more for it.

KBB values guy · 01-20-2012, 05:33 PM

Hi,

Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum.

Kelley Blue Book does not provide a value add for vehicles that have aftermarket modifications. For those vehicles, we would suggest having a private appraisal. We continuously monitor the used-vehicle market for all vehicles, including the Nissan 240SX. Our valuation methods include analyzing data from auctions, dealers and seller’s listing prices. This data passes through several statistical models to produce a Kelley Blue Book Value on a weekly basis.

However, thanks to your input we are taking another look at the Nissan 240SX values and will make adjustments if necessary. If you have any other questions or follow-up comments, you can reach me via email at [email protected].

Thanks again!

AJ
Manager, Vehicle Valuation
Kelley Blue Book

fckillerbee · 01-20-2012, 05:43 PM

what the fuck.......

240drifter1 · 01-20-2012, 05:48 PM

Bwahahahahhaha! Winning!

Taniguchi_Is_#1 · 01-20-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBB values guy

Hi,

Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum.

Kelley Blue Book does not provide a value add for vehicles that have aftermarket modifications. For those vehicles, we would suggest having a private appraisal. We continuously monitor the used-vehicle market for all vehicles, including the Nissan 240SX. Our valuation methods include analyzing data from auctions, dealers and seller’s listing prices. This data passes through several statistical models to produce a Kelley Blue Book Value on a weekly basis.

However, thanks to your input we are taking another look at the Nissan 240SX values and will make adjustments if necessary. If you have any other questions or follow-up comments, you can reach me via email at [email protected].

Thanks again!

AJ
Manager, Vehicle Valuation
Kelley Blue Book

MadScientist · 01-20-2012, 06:11 PM

hahahahaha...

You guys keep destroying them, part out, drifting, doing shitty mods, and changing owners hands like a petaphile in a playground.

After 20 years the value is based on the what the owner is willing to take or a buyer is willing to pay. If it doesn't sell, hold on to it... its just like stocks, just because the market is down doesn't mean you have to sell!!

I use to flip cars in high school... bought a '85 XJS w/ k5 miles on it for $7500, still had the factory plastic on the back seat... sold it a year later to my friends uncle for $17,500.

Zilvia member Full Lock sold his S14 Kouki with RB26 for $45K... $45,000... its all about the seller and the buyer.

I will never.. yes, Never, sell my S14 Kouki only because everytime I see one parted out or Drift Destroyed, just means it became that much closer to being one of the last ones!!

enjoy

Wheelchair · 01-20-2012, 08:51 PM

what a useless thread...

KBB isn't nasdaq and it certainly has no interest in lowered values.

You can't just figure in the supply and demand... there is also a thing called an OPPORTUNITY COST.

KBB does not calculate this. the used car MARKET does. Petitions will be willingly and knowingly be ignored.

Tantwoforty · 01-20-2012, 09:35 PM

i got mine for $1000 original owner, 5 speed, clean title, SE, 210k came with factory manual and jack, smelled like old Mexican man. the suspension sagged on the driver side from his tubby butt dailying it for years, came with like 4 Spanish cd's

These are only worth what people will pay for them, whats it worth to YOU? normal people just see a shitty old nissan.

RB Me · 01-21-2012, 12:00 AM

9k firm, no lowballs even though im way over priced, i dont need to sell etc. saving for a house blah blah

2 months later, f all you haters

4 months huge price drop 8900 firm

2 years later. still for sale.

ixfxi · 01-21-2012, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brentbohn

my 98 kouki is one of 1281 total produced.... that is rare

its rare not because its special. its rare because nissan was going through its financial crisis due to new 97 crash standards and due to the yen losing value (at that time). besides aesthetics, there is nothing that makes a 97-98 more valuable than a 95-96. in fact, most prefer the 95-96 due to them being obd-1

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBB values guy

Hi,

Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum.
Thanks again!

AJ
Manager, Vehicle Valuation
Kelley Blue Book

engagement and knowledge? you sure you're talking about the folks on zilvia?

SupaDoopa · 01-21-2012, 05:26 AM

You bought a 240SX with the intent it'd hold it's resale value? You fucked up.

Brentbohn · 01-23-2012, 06:53 PM

WINNING! left a voice mail for AJ today... see what he has to say for our friends at KBB... this guy found this forum on his own after I emailed him with request to review the pricing on 240's

S141S · 01-23-2012, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enkei2k

so where's this almighty 'petition' you speak of?

also, how much do you expect 14+ year old cars to cost? The S-chassis is no high end car like mentioned earlier.

KBB for a 98 Supra TT in 'excellent' condition from a private seller is less than $20K. Find me one that's in excellent condition selling for that price.

KBB doesn't give a shit about supply and demand and other variable factors like drift tax.

The older the car, the lower the KBB value. I think it's what they call...depreciation?

kbb obv doesn't give a fuck about mods either.

PeaceOnesxWai · 01-24-2012, 01:29 AM

Lol @ this post

KBB determines the price and condition of stock cars, 95% of the cars for sale here on Zilvia have been modified, drifted, crashed, non-op etc.. I think KBB is very fair on the price they listed 240s at for what owners do to them. I just think half the owners selling their 240s are idiots, over pricing their car with used parts and o-so-much time with labor. Booho, 500 hours on fixing it, it still looks like sh!t

I bet OP registers his car under $1k to the DMV anyways.. another reason why KBB "under" values 240s

PeaceOnesxWai · 01-24-2012, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RB Me

9k firm, no lowballs even though im way over priced, i dont need to sell etc. saving for a house blah blah

2 months later, f all you haters

4 months huge price drop 8900 firm

2 years later. still for sale.

lolol thats 90% of all S14 sellers

zerodameaon · 01-29-2012, 11:33 PM

If you want kbb to reflect junk like this
1990 Nissan 240sx, Cleanest on Craigslist.
1993 240sx
1991 Nissan 240sx 5spd "CLEAN TITLE"
1993 Nissan 240sx fastback 5 speed 149k All Original & STOCK!

Then you are even more of a idiot then the people posting these cars. These cars are so artificially inflated anyways its stupid.

Paint209 · 01-30-2012, 12:36 AM

QQ i got ripped off for my kouki then.

lude4life13 · 01-30-2012, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixfxi

its rare not because its special. its rare because nissan was going through its financial crisis due to new 97 crash standards and due to the yen losing value (at that time). besides aesthetics, there is nothing that makes a 97-98 more valuable than a 95-96. in fact, most prefer the 95-96 due to them being obd-1

Really? I didnt know most people preferred zenki's over kouki's. I guess I should sell mine and get one for half the price in that case..

atom · 01-30-2012, 01:35 AM

I bet a well kept bone stock Deep Fuschia Kouki would be worth a ton of money 15 years from now.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 01-30-2012, 11:31 AM

240sx got the drift tax but the Supra guys got the Fast and Furious Tax. I still cant believe how much those cars go for after that stupid movie. Pre-2000, you can find a 93 MKIV TT Supra with high mileage (180k) for less than $12k.

davinci · 01-30-2012, 01:02 PM

bwahhah the "civic" of the nissan world will be a collector car??? dont think so

badbob2121 · 01-30-2012, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lude4life13

Really? I didnt know most people preferred zenki's over kouki's. I guess I should sell mine and get one for half the price in that case..

Hes right. You may not know this (being from CA) But in other states, OBD1 vehicles do not require emission testing, only a simple safety inspection.

If i wanted a s14, i would buy a zenki over kouki without question...

The Dude · 01-30-2012, 01:23 PM

Why is this a thread? The cars are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Instead of petitioning kbb, maybe you should petition the retards who are paying 5k for an S13.

zerodameaon · 01-30-2012, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKdaMoRoN

Why is this a thread? The cars are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Instead of petitioning kbb, maybe you should petition the retards who are paying 5k for an S13.

New sig quote right there.

01-20-2012, 05:20 AM	#61
4DOOR_LIFE Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SF to the PNW Age: 35 Posts: 1,479 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Some douche who is also a member on here, attempted to pull the kbb card on my 89 hatch. So he could get money on top of the pos he was considering trading. __________________ Instagram: @Elegant.Company

01-20-2012, 08:00 AM	#63
Banana_Cute Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Irvine, So. Cal. Posts: 1,338 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Kelly Blue Book dont give a fuck what this car can do, or why is it so hot to get. Its a fucking 240sx. relax. People will try and sell these cars to make a quick buck to buyers who are willing to. I just saw a SALVAGED TITLE ZENKI. for $5500.. AUTOMATIC. fuuuccck. Im sure the owner got it for half that price. and probably used the car as a daily. __________________ Simplicity is the key to brilliance

01-20-2012, 09:47 AM	#64
Bushido Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: SFL Posts: 3,563 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	If you wanna know what will happen to the value of the s chassis cars all you gotta do is look at the price trends of s30s. A few years ago you could get a very nice example for 2-3 grand, fastforward to now and the price has risen to 6-7. The 240sx will become a collector classic eventually and when it does, the value will rise __________________

01-20-2012, 11:33 AM	#67
landins13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Baltimore Posts: 986 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	there are far too many $1500 s13's out there with no motor or interior. I bought my s13 pre-drift tax for 600 bucks with less than 100k on the clock a running dohc ka and no rust or body damage. yeah its got a brown interior but there were no cracks or gashes in anything. its all relative. people a stupid and as long as people are stupid they will continue to pay stupidly high prices for 240's. as a sell why the hell would you price your car at the fair market value when you know some idiot will pay you 2-3k more for it. __________________ NO HANDS IN PANTS!!

01-23-2012, 06:53 PM	#78
Brentbohn Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: minnesota Age: 44 Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	WINNING! left a voice mail for AJ today... see what he has to say for our friends at KBB... this guy found this forum on his own after I emailed him with request to review the pricing on 240's __________________ Wanted: Good well mannered athletic woman with her own classic or sports car.... send photo of car

01-20-2012, 06:06 AM	#62
onehundredoctane Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Greensborough, NC Posts: 2,783 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	My God why hasn't a mod locked this? 240's are like cockroaches (S13's at least), there everywhere, plus they weren't low production numbers. This is why Kouki S14's are priced stupidly, not a lot made, and the fanboi's are all over them.

01-20-2012, 09:58 AM	#65
ashtonroche Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: yuma Age: 39 Posts: 397 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Maybe 10 years from now when all the shitty ones that are wrecked from the Dorifto Wanna Bee's and the rusted out ones are in the junk yard. When finding a clean one becomes rare, then you will see the price go up. Damaged, rusted, or poorly maintained ones will not be affected.

01-20-2012, 11:06 AM	#66
RedSiBaron Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: cincinnati/dayton/columbus OH Posts: 448 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Kbb said my car is worth 4k, I wouldn't pay that for my heap of scrap metal... Im not paying more on insurance because you think your 240 is worth the drifter tax that dumb kids put on them.

01-20-2012, 05:33 PM	#68
KBB values guy Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hi, Thank you for providing feedback concerning the Nissan 240SX values. We appreciate the level of engagement and knowledge from all the vehicle enthusiasts on this forum. Kelley Blue Book does not provide a value add for vehicles that have aftermarket modifications. For those vehicles, we would suggest having a private appraisal. We continuously monitor the used-vehicle market for all vehicles, including the Nissan 240SX. Our valuation methods include analyzing data from auctions, dealers and seller’s listing prices. This data passes through several statistical models to produce a Kelley Blue Book Value on a weekly basis. However, thanks to your input we are taking another look at the Nissan 240SX values and will make adjustments if necessary. If you have any other questions or follow-up comments, you can reach me via email at [email protected]. Thanks again! AJ Manager, Vehicle Valuation Kelley Blue Book

01-20-2012, 05:43 PM	#69
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 39 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	what the fuck.......

01-20-2012, 05:48 PM	#70
240drifter1 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,505 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Bwahahahahhaha! Winning!

01-20-2012, 06:11 PM	#72
MadScientist Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 47 Posts: 1,970 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	hahahahaha... You guys keep destroying them, part out, drifting, doing shitty mods, and changing owners hands like a petaphile in a playground. After 20 years the value is based on the what the owner is willing to take or a buyer is willing to pay. If it doesn't sell, hold on to it... its just like stocks, just because the market is down doesn't mean you have to sell!! I use to flip cars in high school... bought a '85 XJS w/ k5 miles on it for $7500, still had the factory plastic on the back seat... sold it a year later to my friends uncle for $17,500. Zilvia member Full Lock sold his S14 Kouki with RB26 for $45K... $45,000... its all about the seller and the buyer. I will never.. yes, Never, sell my S14 Kouki only because everytime I see one parted out or Drift Destroyed, just means it became that much closer to being one of the last ones!! enjoy

01-20-2012, 08:51 PM	#73
Wheelchair Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ATL Posts: 137 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what a useless thread... KBB isn't nasdaq and it certainly has no interest in lowered values. You can't just figure in the supply and demand... there is also a thing called an OPPORTUNITY COST. KBB does not calculate this. the used car MARKET does. Petitions will be willingly and knowingly be ignored.

01-20-2012, 09:35 PM	#74
Tantwoforty Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Riverside ca Age: 34 Posts: 1,890 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	i got mine for $1000 original owner, 5 speed, clean title, SE, 210k came with factory manual and jack, smelled like old Mexican man. the suspension sagged on the driver side from his tubby butt dailying it for years, came with like 4 Spanish cd's These are only worth what people will pay for them, whats it worth to YOU? normal people just see a shitty old nissan.

01-21-2012, 12:00 AM	#75
RB Me Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 473 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	9k firm, no lowballs even though im way over priced, i dont need to sell etc. saving for a house blah blah 2 months later, f all you haters 4 months huge price drop 8900 firm 2 years later. still for sale.

01-21-2012, 05:26 AM	#77
SupaDoopa Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 隠された意図 Age: 36 Posts: 3,689 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	You bought a 240SX with the intent it'd hold it's resale value? You fucked up.

01-24-2012, 01:29 AM	#80
PeaceOnesxWai Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Age: 32 Posts: 1,220 Trader Rating: (34) Feedback Score: 34 reviews	Lol @ this post KBB determines the price and condition of stock cars, 95% of the cars for sale here on Zilvia have been modified, drifted, crashed, non-op etc.. I think KBB is very fair on the price they listed 240s at for what owners do to them. I just think half the owners selling their 240s are idiots, over pricing their car with used parts and o-so-much time with labor. Booho, 500 hours on fixing it, it still looks like sh!t I bet OP registers his car under $1k to the DMV anyways.. another reason why KBB "under" values 240s

01-30-2012, 12:36 AM	#83
Paint209 Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CA Age: 31 Posts: 244 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	QQ i got ripped off for my kouki then.

01-30-2012, 01:35 AM	#85
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I bet a well kept bone stock Deep Fuschia Kouki would be worth a ton of money 15 years from now.

01-30-2012, 11:31 AM	#86
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	240sx got the drift tax but the Supra guys got the Fast and Furious Tax. I still cant believe how much those cars go for after that stupid movie. Pre-2000, you can find a 93 MKIV TT Supra with high mileage (180k) for less than $12k. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

01-30-2012, 01:02 PM	#87
davinci Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Dallas TX Age: 44 Posts: 127 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	bwahhah the "civic" of the nissan world will be a collector car??? dont think so

01-30-2012, 01:23 PM	#89
The Dude Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: TN Age: 39 Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Why is this a thread? The cars are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. Instead of petitioning kbb, maybe you should petition the retards who are paying 5k for an S13.