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powahh · 03-14-2012, 09:33 PM

I've been contemplating this idea for a long time.
Finally found a clean chassis worth building up.
It's a 1990 240sx hatchback, 71K on the clock, it was auto.

I hope to make it CA legal, LSx + T56, stitch welded and reinforced car. Might throw in a cage. I haven't decided yet. Slowly started making progress, so I decided to share it with you guys.
I'll let the pictures do the talking from now on.

Mishkin_707 · 03-14-2012, 10:17 PM

Nope, Cali will not smog exempt it, sure it's a newer motor but it never came in the Nissan 240sx only way to make it exempt is registering the car as a race car but it will not be legal for street/highway use

*StryfeS13* · 03-14-2012, 10:20 PM

Really? I'm pretty sure pstl pete got his E-Rod LS3 smogged in California.

I am pretty sure if you keep all emissions equipment, including a catalytic converter after each header, that you will be able to get it BAR'd or whatever.

powahh · 03-14-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mishkin_707

Nope, Cali will not smog exempt it, sure it's a newer motor but it never came in the Nissan 240sx only way to make it exempt is registering the car as a race car but it will not be legal for street/highway use

Ive talked to multiple referees.
They said its totally possible. keep all the emissions stuff from a donor car, and keep it stock, to pass, if you know what i mean.

powahh · 03-14-2012, 10:37 PM

Yes i know super gross. Some retart thought it was a good idea to spray random green color inside the engine bay. Shaving and reinforcing it anyway.

fabbed some top hats

now need to start stitch welding it all around and prime it.

Ate lunch, and decided to cut out and weld in new panels. Hate all those holes i left after removing the battery tray.
Same thing on the other side.

*StryfeS13* · 03-14-2012, 10:39 PM

just use forum tags for pics instead of html

[img] [/img]

sideview_180sx · 03-14-2012, 10:40 PM

it can be made smog legal. you have to include the OE fuel pump, fpr, and smog equipment from the donor car the motor came from. it will not be made smog exempt, but it will be made smog/bar legal.

powahh · 03-14-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by StryfeS13

just use forum tags for pics instead of html

[img] [/img]

thanks im a noob still.

*StryfeS13* · 03-14-2012, 10:50 PM

There's also a thread in the forum where you can practice posting pics.

Basically if you ever want to post a picture, you copy the link for the picture and put it in [img]"LINK GOES HERE WITHOUT QUOTES"[/img] tags.

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestion...pics-here.html

powahh · 03-15-2012, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StryfeS13

There's also a thread in the forum where you can practice posting pics.

Basically if you ever want to post a picture, you copy the link for the picture and put it in [img]"LINK GOES HERE WITHOUT QUOTES"[/img] tags.

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestion...pics-here.html

Yea i figured it out and edited it.
thanks.

Mishkin_707 · 03-17-2012, 07:12 AM

Well when I did my LS2 swap I couldn't get it bar'd, this was last year though, I worked for a dealership as a tech and we had a guy at a smog shop that did a few cars for us to get them bar'd maybe he just didn't want to do it for my car cause my 240 is faster than his car....lol

powahh · 03-17-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mishkin_707

Well when I did my LS2 swap I couldn't get it bar'd, this was last year though, I worked for a dealership as a tech and we had a guy at a smog shop that did a few cars for us to get them bar'd maybe he just didn't want to do it for my car cause my 240 is faster than his car....lol

Just go to a different referee

tapdeznutz · 03-17-2012, 12:32 PM

i heard the same info from my friend...worst case all they make you do is pay the fine if you get a fix-it-ticket...i'm gonna save for this or vq35de swap...subscribing here though...i mean a 8v with loopy idle would be sweet. love that bla bla bla idle

TypeXFan · 03-17-2012, 07:30 PM

From my understanding, in order to swap a different motor in your car and get it bar'd and make it street legal in cali, the motor has to 1) be a newer motor than the year of your car and 2) be of the same make of the manufacturer (excluding Japanese motors). So if you wanted to swap a v8 in your 240sx AND get it street legal then the ideal motor to swap in would be the 91-96 Infiniti Q45 VH45DE motor. This is what ive been told for California.

powahh · 03-17-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TypeXFan

From my understanding, in order to swap a different motor in your car and get it bar'd and make it street legal in cali, the motor has to 1) be a newer motor than the year of your car and 2) be of the same make of the manufacturer (excluding Japanese motors). So if you wanted to swap a v8 in your 240sx AND get it street legal then the ideal motor to swap in would be the 91-96 Infiniti Q45 VH45DE motor. This is what ive been told for California.

Look up Peter Tarach's S13 build, he got it BAR'd.

There is 3 rules to engine swaps in Ca.
- it has to be newer then the car
- retain all the emission related stuff
- it can't be a truck engine, meaning you cross car/truck classes.

rahjah · 03-19-2012, 07:27 PM

I live in North Carolina and yes this state sucks when it comes to taxes and some of the laws but damn it I couldn't imagine living in a state where the government could tell me which engine I could and couldn't put in my vehicle. I don't know how you guys do it.

tapdeznutz · 03-19-2012, 07:55 PM

what put up with being treated like shit and still smile about it lol why for the weather of course...

rahjah · 03-19-2012, 08:09 PM

I can appreciate that. The furthest west I have been is Nevada but I have friends that are from California and they say it is beautiful. We got really lucky here this year, 80 degrees in March and we have only had roughly 1/2 inch of snow this winter.

powahh · 03-24-2012, 11:13 PM

Sorry for the lack of updates.
Looking for a donor car on wrecked car auctions ATM, the reason being is so I can replicate the whole system as it was on the donor car, can't have any check engine lights with all that evap system crap. Want to find a car that was hit in the back on the side. So far no luck, either too far from me or auto tranny.
Camaro and firebird seem like the most logical and easy to find choices.

Also started practicing my welding skills. Will post up some pictures very soon.

getagrip · 04-02-2012, 02:43 AM

Here's pstl pete's build. http://zilvia.net/f/chat/385069-ls3-...h-hate-v8.html

It is a pretty awesome build. But he didn't get it bar'd to my knowledge. It's all explained in the thread.

powahh · 04-03-2012, 08:51 PM

Working on my new daily

Almost finished. Rolled the fenders

That obligatory gas station shot

More updates on the S13 soon.

tapdeznutz · 04-04-2012, 09:46 AM

great idea on the rims...i might have to borrow this idea hehe.

powahh · 04-15-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tapdeznutz

great idea on the rims...i might have to borrow this idea hehe.

Thanks dude!
They're 9.5 all around with 225/45R17 rear and 205/50R17 front.
Needed 38mm adaptors from 5x112 to 120.65x5.

Picked that set up for 300. So good value I guess.

More on the hatch in a bit.

powahh · 04-21-2012, 07:31 PM

Filled in the intake and the battery plate holes.

Cleaned and the gooey stuff before welding the towers. Also cut and bent all the metal seams that were sticking out for more wheel clearance in the future.

Welded em all up. My welds don't look that great, but the penetration is good. So don't hate.

Inside the front shock tower

Sprayed it with anti corrosion spray

Ill go over the front again and see if I missed anything. And then start prepping for paint.
Also ill stitch rails under the car and the transmission tunnel.
More pictures to come.

jr_ss · 04-21-2012, 08:31 PM

The welds actually look cold, need more heat dood...

powahh · 04-22-2012, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jr_ss

The welds actually look cold, need more heat dood...

Ah. Yea.. Welding is definitely my weak spot. It might be the crappy wire I got too.. I'll try with more power next time.

646Love · 05-21-2012, 09:08 PM

Sounds great man Im thinking doing the same as well any updates?

powahh · 05-24-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 646Love

Sounds great man Im thinking doing the same as well any updates?

Yes, I'll post more pictures once I get home from a tour. It's been a crazy couple of months.

Beejis60 · 05-24-2012, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rahjah

I live in North Carolina and yes this state sucks when it comes to taxes and some of the laws but damn it I couldn't imagine living in a state where the government could tell me which engine I could and couldn't put in my vehicle. I don't know how you guys do it.

Move to ohio.... ZERO inspection of any kind unless you buy the car from out of state. Then they only check once you go to title it and that's it; the inspection consists only of making sure the vin number is correct. They don't even check the odometer to make sure it's close.

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Originally Posted by powahh

Inside the front shock tower
[IMG]http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o510/powahh/83023691.jpg[IMG]

Sprayed it with anti corrosion spray
[IMG]http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o510/powahh/92510726.jpg[IMG]

Ill go over the front again and see if I missed anything. And then start prepping for paint.
Also ill stitch rails under the car and the transmission tunnel.
More pictures to come.

What's the point of stitch welding in the wheel well if you're already welding on the inside of the bay? One would think that those welds from the other side is strong enough, even though the metal is lapping...

powahh · 05-24-2012, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beejis60

Move to ohio.... ZERO inspection of any kind unless you buy the car from out of state. Then they only check once you go to title it and that's it; the inspection consists only of making sure the vin number is correct. They don't even check the odometer to make sure it's close.

What's the point of stitch welding in the wheel well if you're already welding on the inside of the bay? One would think that those welds from the other side is strong enough, even though the metal is lapping...

Cleaner look inside the bay. Less to smooth out and all that stuff. I want a shaved kinda look. Decided that after I was almost done with welding on the inside. I know it's kinda silly.
Broadfields new LS3 S13 project is my inspiration. It won't be exactly like that but I want it clean and smooth

03-14-2012, 09:33 PM	#1
powahh Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Roseville Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	S13 hatch LSx full ground up SMOG legal build I've been contemplating this idea for a long time. Finally found a clean chassis worth building up. It's a 1990 240sx hatchback, 71K on the clock, it was auto. I hope to make it CA legal, LSx + T56, stitch welded and reinforced car. Might throw in a cage. I haven't decided yet. Slowly started making progress, so I decided to share it with you guys. I'll let the pictures do the talking from now on.

03-14-2012, 10:40 PM	#7
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	it can be made smog legal. you have to include the OE fuel pump, fpr, and smog equipment from the donor car the motor came from. it will not be made smog exempt, but it will be made smog/bar legal. __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

03-24-2012, 11:13 PM	#19
powahh Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Roseville Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry for the lack of updates. Looking for a donor car on wrecked car auctions ATM, the reason being is so I can replicate the whole system as it was on the donor car, can't have any check engine lights with all that evap system crap. Want to find a car that was hit in the back on the side. So far no luck, either too far from me or auto tranny. Camaro and firebird seem like the most logical and easy to find choices. Also started practicing my welding skills. Will post up some pictures very soon. __________________ Gee Spot Garage, doing things you don't.

04-03-2012, 08:51 PM	#21
powahh Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Roseville Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Working on my new daily Almost finished. Rolled the fenders That obligatory gas station shot More updates on the S13 soon. __________________ Gee Spot Garage, doing things you don't.

04-21-2012, 07:31 PM	#24
powahh Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Roseville Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Filled in the intake and the battery plate holes. Cleaned and the gooey stuff before welding the towers. Also cut and bent all the metal seams that were sticking out for more wheel clearance in the future. Welded em all up. My welds don't look that great, but the penetration is good. So don't hate. Inside the front shock tower Sprayed it with anti corrosion spray Ill go over the front again and see if I missed anything. And then start prepping for paint. Also ill stitch rails under the car and the transmission tunnel. More pictures to come. __________________ Gee Spot Garage, doing things you don't.

03-14-2012, 10:17 PM	#2
Mishkin_707 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: everywhere Age: 42 Posts: 732 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Nope, Cali will not smog exempt it, sure it's a newer motor but it never came in the Nissan 240sx only way to make it exempt is registering the car as a race car but it will not be legal for street/highway use

03-14-2012, 10:37 PM	#5
powahh Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Roseville Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes i know super gross. Some retart thought it was a good idea to spray random green color inside the engine bay. Shaving and reinforcing it anyway. fabbed some top hats now need to start stitch welding it all around and prime it. Ate lunch, and decided to cut out and weld in new panels. Hate all those holes i left after removing the battery tray. Same thing on the other side.

03-17-2012, 07:12 AM	#11
Mishkin_707 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: everywhere Age: 42 Posts: 732 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Well when I did my LS2 swap I couldn't get it bar'd, this was last year though, I worked for a dealership as a tech and we had a guy at a smog shop that did a few cars for us to get them bar'd maybe he just didn't want to do it for my car cause my 240 is faster than his car....lol

03-17-2012, 12:32 PM	#13
tapdeznutz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach Age: 44 Posts: 1,801 Trader Rating: (50) Feedback Score: 50 reviews	i heard the same info from my friend...worst case all they make you do is pay the fine if you get a fix-it-ticket...i'm gonna save for this or vq35de swap...subscribing here though...i mean a 8v with loopy idle would be sweet. love that bla bla bla idle

03-17-2012, 07:30 PM	#14
TypeXFan Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Fresno, CA Age: 42 Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	From my understanding, in order to swap a different motor in your car and get it bar'd and make it street legal in cali, the motor has to 1) be a newer motor than the year of your car and 2) be of the same make of the manufacturer (excluding Japanese motors). So if you wanted to swap a v8 in your 240sx AND get it street legal then the ideal motor to swap in would be the 91-96 Infiniti Q45 VH45DE motor. This is what ive been told for California.

03-19-2012, 07:27 PM	#16
rahjah Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hendersonville, NC Age: 41 Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I live in North Carolina and yes this state sucks when it comes to taxes and some of the laws but damn it I couldn't imagine living in a state where the government could tell me which engine I could and couldn't put in my vehicle. I don't know how you guys do it.

03-19-2012, 07:55 PM	#17
tapdeznutz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach Age: 44 Posts: 1,801 Trader Rating: (50) Feedback Score: 50 reviews	what put up with being treated like shit and still smile about it lol why for the weather of course...

03-19-2012, 08:09 PM	#18
rahjah Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Hendersonville, NC Age: 41 Posts: 79 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I can appreciate that. The furthest west I have been is Nevada but I have friends that are from California and they say it is beautiful. We got really lucky here this year, 80 degrees in March and we have only had roughly 1/2 inch of snow this winter.

04-02-2012, 02:43 AM	#20
getagrip Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: california Age: 33 Posts: 75 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here's pstl pete's build. http://zilvia.net/f/chat/385069-ls3-...h-hate-v8.html It is a pretty awesome build. But he didn't get it bar'd to my knowledge. It's all explained in the thread.

04-04-2012, 09:46 AM	#22
tapdeznutz Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach Age: 44 Posts: 1,801 Trader Rating: (50) Feedback Score: 50 reviews	great idea on the rims...i might have to borrow this idea hehe.

04-21-2012, 08:31 PM	#25
jr_ss Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pa Posts: 6,412 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	The welds actually look cold, need more heat dood... __________________ My SR20VET Does your VTC gear rattle in your S14/15 SR? PM me.

05-21-2012, 09:08 PM	#27
646Love Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sounds great man Im thinking doing the same as well any updates?