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Old Yesterday, 11:53 AM   #10681
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my biggest issue with EVs (aside from lacking manual transmission or even proposed EMULATION of manual transmission via software and added hardware) is the 100% level of planned obsolescence!!!

ALL EVs and Hybrids have planned obsolescence built in from the get go that combustion based vehicles dont. Most current day EVs and Hybrids have a lifespan of ROUGHLY 4-7 years AT MOST before the battery has to be changed out as it will no longer hold a charge. At the end of the day, all manufacturers care about is making money (as any business does), and with EVs, manufacturers will have a MUCH easier time pushing new car sales. $12,000 to replace your worn out battery to make the car function again, or for $20,000 you can buy the brand new model! BAM! Instant sales pitch.

I for one am quite happy with combustion engines simply because, when properly cared for and maintained, they will last WELL into the 200k-300k range!

But MOST people arent like me, they dont like to hang on to cars... Most people gladly dump their vehicles around 5 years for a new shiny model with all the modern bells and whistles that they come to expect from technology moving forward. We as a society have become so obsessed with the idea of dumping something after 2-5 years that keeping anything longer feels like a lifetime. We have grown to take technology for granted, we dont want to understand it, we just want it to work... and that type of thinking has translated over to cars. EVs will be the shining example of planned obsolesce that started so long ago with the light bulb and pantyhose.
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^^^Where is this info about planned obsolescence regarding the batteries coming from? I know my wife's Prius battery is likely to exceed the life of the car and that thing is 14 years old already... Is this new?

Seems pretty silly of the car makers to do that. I know when we were shopping for our first hybrid, the biggest questions we had were how long does the battery last and how much does it cost to replace it? If we'd have gotten responses anywhere close to what you're implying, we never would have bought it. That would make them absolutely worthless for resale. Manufacturer reputation would tank, IMO.

BTW, Toyota only charges like $3500 to replace that generation's battery. But, since there are DIY instructions available & the cars are so cheap in the first place, most ppl don't even bother.
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Ok, and I posted about something happening right now. Not sure what the sarcastic “let’s talk about the s16 while we’re at it.” was about.
Nothing blasphemous really happened today, this has been in the rumor mill for years, coming up on decades. The "s16" kept coming up, often in this thread for years, though it has seemed to mostly die off. I'll believe it when I see it. Also, who cares? The Evo is a cool car, but Mitsubishi is on life support and needs to do something to sell cars. Capitalizing on the Evo name and new trends is grasping at straws, but the other option is drowning.
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^^^Where is this info about planned obsolescence regarding the batteries coming from?
Old, outdated, mis-information and bias against EVs.

If the battery is such a big replacement cost but it's padded by the manufacturer, the free market will come up with aftermarket replacement batteries and refurbished units.
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Nothing blasphemous really happened today, this has been in the rumor mill for years, coming up on decades. The "s16" kept coming up, often in this thread for years, though it has seemed to mostly die off. I'll believe it when I see it. Also, who cares? The Evo is a cool car, but Mitsubishi is on life support and needs to do something to sell cars. Capitalizing on the Evo name and new trends is grasping at straws, but the other option is drowning.
Taking a name of a car with a storied motor sports history and cult enthusiast following like the Evo and slapping it on an EV CUV is indeed blasphemous.

And this thread has been going for more than a decade now largely discussing rumors (yes even the rumors regarding future Nissan RWD cars), upcoming cars, and the auto industry in general. This is the most viewed and discussed thread in OT. So t answer your question “who cares”, obviously a lot of people. If you aren’t up for those topics, what’s the point of posting? You’re an OG around here, you should know the deal.
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My point wasn't that it wasn't blasphemous, it's that it didn't happen today. This has been in the works for a long time and shouldn't be a surprise at this point. It very well could turn out to be awesome (unlikely, I know).

In researching to see if Mitsubishi still existed in this country, I saw something about an Eclipse-cross or something. Some kind of CUV as well. Though the later gens sucked, if anything, the Eclipse had a more foundational affect on the sport compact world than the Evo and probably any other car short of the Honda Civic. That should have caused some uproar at least.
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^^^Where is this info about planned obsolescence regarding the batteries coming from? I know my wife's Prius battery is likely to exceed the life of the car and that thing is 14 years old already... Is this new?
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...t-and-warranty

quick google search as well as general knowledge found out via reading on the web from Hybrid owners around the country since the introduction of the Honda Insight to the US back in 2001/2002. also keep in mind that in hotter places like Phoenix, Tucson, Vegas etc... battery life in our neck of the woods is heavily reduced (which has been confirmed over and over now for years from Prius and Leaf owners).

Planned obsolescence is something car manufacturers (nor ANY manufacturer) never discuss publicly... its general rule of business though. manufacturers have to make their products expire in a certain amount of time that seems "normal" to the unaware consumer in order for the manufacturer to receive return business. In normal combustion cars it tends to teeter around the 100k mile mark. Car dealerships have ingrained this false idea into peoples heads that a car with 80k-100k worth of miles on it is old and its going to pretty much explode if you dont buy a new one (when in reality you may just need to replace the timing belt/chain and the water pump). Car people (like many of us on these forums) know its just a myth and own our cars well into 200k miles if we love it that much. The average consumer doesnt know how to work on their own vehicle, let alone that 100k for a car is nothing thats actually problematic. Now, with EV and Hybrids, manufacturers NOW have a perfect tool for underhandedly forcing folks into purchasing a new vehicle with the "battery life" line... "Your car is approaching 100k miles and 7 years on its battery life. The battery is only rated to last 8 years and youre past your mileage warranty... We can replace that old battery for you for the cost of roughly $12,000, give or take. OR, you can upgrade to the new model for $8,000 more! the new model has this option and that option and those options that the original model never came with, plus, it comes with a 115k mile warranty!" 9 out of 10 chance that the car owner is going to purchase the shiny, new and updated version of their EV or Hybrid that is sitting on the lot rather than forking over the $10,000-$12,000 its going to run to have the battery replaced in a car that (according to the sales pitch of the dealership) is going to start having a lot more problems because its old and out of warranty. Having built in obsolescence of the battery not only drives car sales, but ensures that stealerships will still receive money made from keeping a car buyer locked into a warranty as well as becoming attached to a brand.

Its all very simple... basically what you learn in business 101.

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Seems pretty silly of the car makers to do that. I know when we were shopping for our first hybrid, the biggest questions we had were how long does the battery last and how much does it cost to replace it? If we'd have gotten responses anywhere close to what you're implying, we never would have bought it. That would make them absolutely worthless for resale. Manufacturer reputation would tank, IMO.
not silly, it creates brand loyalty by keeping people locked into buying new cars when the price tag for fixing their 100k mile clunker is not an option because its out of warranty. Again, keep in mind that the average car buyer knows fuck all about cars... other than putting the key in, turning said key (well pushing a button now), shifting the PRNDL to D (yes its actually called a PRNDL now) and putting their right foot on either the gas pedal or brake pedal. Scare tactics are VERY easily achieved by dealerships, and the whole idea that a battery is no longer replaceable after 100k or 5-7 years would scare the holy crap out of a car buyer when it started getting near that mileage/year warranty running out

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BTW, Toyota only charges like $3500 to replace that generation's battery. But, since there are DIY instructions available & the cars are so cheap in the first place, most ppl don't even bother.
the average car buyer is NOT going to replace their own batteries...
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My point wasn't that it wasn't blasphemous, it's that it didn't happen today. This has been in the works for a long time and shouldn't be a surprise at this point. It very well could turn out to be awesome (unlikely, I know).
The teaser was LITERALLY released today along with the announcement of when the car is debuting.

I wouldnít hold my breath on it being awesome. Mitsubishi hasnít made a decent car in over a decade (other then the actual Evo). Unless itís on a Nissan platform (which I donít believe it would be since they donít have a EV based CUV platform) I wouldnít put my money on it being awesome. Itíll be an EV and drivable at best. Lol
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This or the soon to be announced V40 might be my second car next year. Love everything Volvo is doing.

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