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Old 03-15-2018, 07:09 PM   #11221
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the NC was just terrible... i dont care what anyone does to it, its just ugly! it was the low point in Mazdas mid/late 2000s design language, which is really sad as the NB was on fucking point! even the RX8, MS3 1st and 2nd gen and 1st gen Mazda6 were flat out amazing looking!

funny thing is, the ND is just as hideous, but the Fiat version is just hotness and more Miata looking than the damn Miata lol
Oh I am with you . The ND is like "what you almost got it Mazda"....but Fiat they killed it. I love the look of the 124.
I don't care what anyone says it does not look goofy( in reference to another post comment) . In fact the ND is closer to looking goofy. Lol
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:08 AM   #11222
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Not really sold on the 124 myself looks wise, but it’s arguably a stronger value than the ND Miata when you price out the brembos and recaro seats. I would think the turbo on the fiat would be easier to get more power out of.

Also hope that removable hardtop some day becomes available. It’s lighter than the ND RF, and hopefully should cost less too.

Design wise only thing I dislike about the ND is the boring colors available. I wish they would bring back sunburst yellow, forest green, and the bright red from the NC clubs. I like that Mazda took risks, most likely knowing it would be controversial. It is not as ‘safe’ as the current 3 and 6, which I don’t care so much for.
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I’d much rather have a used FRS honestly. Aren’t they getting pretty cheap already?
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I looked for giggles, and locally they're 15-20k used. And all damned automatics.

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TBH, I prefer the looks of the NB over the NC as well. The NC just looks really toned down and the Miata was already a soft looking car. How much more estrogen can that thing take?!? lol But that aside, I still thought it was clean design and that's enough for me to work with. Additionally, in comparison to the NB, the NC just makes the earlier gens look flimsy to me. I actually like the more sturdy and substantial look of the NC.

But the biggest draws of the NC to me are already having 5x114.3 wheels and capability to fit both 17s and 18s easily. Seriously, fuck the prior gen's 4x100 tiny wheel shit selection.
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Seems very similar to a NA KA with the added cost of a swap on top of it.
I mean, it's still a Miata. It was never gonna be a factory powerhouse. I mean, you could always go the Flying Miata route and FI the stock 1.8 or 2.0. Apparently, 250 and 300hp limits, respectively. While the 2.5 will get you to 400hp+ with boost.
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Oh I am with you . The ND is like "what you almost got it Mazda"....but Fiat they killed it. I love the look of the 124.
I don't care what anyone says it does not look goofy( in reference to another post comment) . In fact the ND is closer to looking goofy. Lol
Totally agreed. I too prefer the 124's looks over the ND's. But that could all change with a few changes on a mid-model refresh/facelift for the ND. It's sooo damn close to looking amazing. But right now, it's just a bit off still.
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I found some manuals around $11k with about 30k on the odometer. That’s not bad considering there are 240’s FS on here for more than that. Give it another year or two and I think the FRSs will hit a real low because no one will want one unless it’s a “Toyota”.
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I’d much rather have a used FRS honestly. Aren’t they getting pretty cheap already?


Yeap, I found one locally 2013 manual 75K listed for 9,000.


If FA20DIT swaps become a thing, this car basically would be the next gen 240sx.


I checked BRZ , major price diff. Pretty much 14-15K even with 75K miles
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:37 AM   #11228
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i dont think motor swaps are ever going to become as popular as they once were with 90s cars... there are too many electronic issues that come with them now, ESPECIALLY automatics! unless you are going track only trailer queen, motor swaps are going to be nothing but problematic with all the emissions bullshit, computer controls for everything in the car and even motor wise. i think were all holding onto ideas we grew up with that arent a reality anymore
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Some of us live were emissions is not an issue. I am sure some company could make a swap kit for the electronics ala wiring specialties to get rid of electrical issues. Plus definitely not talking about an automatic.


Though I agree with you on the waning popularity. I'd much rather buy a car with the power already there and use mods to make more versus swapping the engine. Hell it is taking me months just to finish my KA to KA swap.
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Its honestly not that bad... Last SR I swapped, friend of mine and I did it in 8 hours, and that was with removing the KA. Also included swapping on a T28 and drilling intercooler holes.
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Consequently, all of the electronics can have the opposite effect and make engine swapping and modding easier because the factory sensors and ecu are so capable that you basically have a full standalone capability when it comes to tuning it that the older cars don’t have until you dump 3k into an ecu.


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Thats actually the road Ford is embarking down as well. Its really sad.
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It’s not joust them. It’s amost the whole industry.

Volvo will be all electric in a few years. The current ICE they have are their last generation. Porsche is all in on electric, jaguar and Range Rover, etc.
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Ok yeah, I think I'm falling hard. This thing is right up my alley.
I don't even think I'll need the 2.5 swap to enjoy TF outta this.
Plus, I hear converting from NC1 to NC2/NC3 front fascias is pretty easy.
The streets will be flooded with 86's and Z's. This is a nice change of pace, with better fit/finsh and aftermarket support than the Kappas twins I was interested in.
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I can dig that. I’d personally go a little less aggressive with the wheels but over all, dope. That rear diffuser is super fresh.
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Word. All I'd add would be side skirts here.
I could be wrong, but I think more ppl hate on the NC because they are remembering the bland-ass Zenki version... The NC1. But it got progressively better looking with the NC2 and NC3 refreshes.
Bumpers swap right on. Headlights are different, but there a kit that allows you to cheap out, pairing NC1 headlights with the NC2/3 bumpers.

I know some ppl hate that smiley face shit, but I LOVE it. Makes me smile every time I see a Mazda with that design language...lol
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Fresh Z rumors. Supposedly we’ll see a concept this year and production next year. Code name Z35 (obviously), an AWD version and 475hp, still riding on the dinosaur chassis (is it still considered the FM??) the new Q60 is on.
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So the Stinger is out. Wife liked it but not enough to justify buying a $56k Kia. Unfortunately they only have GT2s anywhere around me. The GT1s are in the mid $40s which is where I was comfortable.

The new Infiti QX50 wasn’t bad, but it just doesn’t feel special.

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I could be wrong, but I think more ppl hate on the NC because they are remembering the bland-ass Zenki version... The NC1. But it got progressively better looking with the NC2 and NC3 refreshes.
Bumpers swap right on. Headlights are different, but there a kit that allows you to cheap out, pairing NC1 headlights with the NC2/3 bumpers.



IMO NC2 looks the best out of them though I am team NB.


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Yeah. We wanted to do a lease. The kids are just too rough on cars at this point for me to want to keep anything. Made a decision will have pics next week when I pick it up. I’ll have the first one in Wisconsin. They haven’t even hit dealerships here I had to drive down to Chicago to buy one
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Lot of talk of the NC Miata here, a similar car that I feel has lot's of value currently is the S2000.

I was looking into getting a Zenki, but any rust free one I found in the Midwest was a price tag of $4,500 or higher... decided the drift tax was just not worth it and started looking at S2000s.

Ended up getting an AP1 with high mileage, but very well maintained. Rust free Southern car. Everything stock but a hardtop for under $7K. Needs a bit of work but I'm, happy with my purchase.

Made the 500 mile trip home with 0 issues
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Lot of talk of the NC Miata here, a similar car that I feel has lot's of value currently is the S2000.

I was looking into getting a Zenki, but any rust free one I found in the Midwest was a price tag of $4,500 or higher... decided the drift tax was just not worth it and started looking at S2000s.

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Made the 500 mile trip home with 0 issues
Nice. I've driven both myself and prefer the tail-happy configuration of the AP1 vs the more subdued AP2. Could be because I prefer that. AP1 wants to be beat on with that higher redline. AP2 is for a more suitable daily-driving experience.
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