NEW 240sx Big Brake Kit.. R&D

[holemilk00]

If you're talking about unsprung weight, then a set of DBA5000 rotors for an akebono kit will equal out the difference between them and the wilwood set up with brembo blanks.

[Chaluska]

Originally Posted by jr_ss

Problem with the Akebono, CTS-V, etc is they are heavy. However, most people aren't concerned with that.

I run an aftermarket Wilwood setup with 350Z Brembo rotors. Pads are extremely cheap and so are the calipers. The whole setup can be had for under $600 dollars, cheaper if you buy cheaper rotors.

the huge CTS calipers weight less than the stock single piston s13 cast iron calipers..

the rotors on the other hand.... hahahah

as far as e-brake, im running the full Z32 rear caliper/rotor/drum setup

[Nonsense]

Originally Posted by S14DB

Kind of thin IMHO. Would prefer 32mm thick.

You also want to note people looking for stopping performance will probably be running a 17" wheel.

True,
I will see what I can do to make sure we have a great kit
fitting rims 17+,

Thanks

[97nismo]

there are only a handfull of guys willing to pay over 2k for a brake setup....look to see how many for sale threads selling evo calipers for 700...if the whole kit could be bought for around 1k with working e brake i would be in...and not too mention the wheels 18s would be mandatory i would imagine

[Mile High Silvia]

Originally Posted by Nonsense

Nice!
Whats your review on them so far?

They're badass! Sorry for the late reply. But I'm in love it's the kit. Driving my other cars with factory braking just seems sketchy now. But I might need a proportioning valve as it will lock up the fronts with ease. On the track or certain situations I get a little excited and stomp the brakes and they lock up and smoke real easy. For canyon and city driving I would highly recommend them. Feels so much safer in traffic. I have stoptech rear rotors and not sure of the pads but I'm very happy with my stoptechs. If I had the money I'd put a kit on all my cars.

[Mile High Silvia]

Sidenote: I've always liked larger rotors. I feel like they give a good feel when applying light braking with steady pedal pressure for high speed stopping. And also assuming that larger rotors equal more surface area which In-turn helps keep temps low?

My s13 is used for daily driving, drifting, drag and canyon. I love my stoptech kit for every aspect of my driving.

[Nonsense]

Thank you for your input mile high!

Ill give you guys an update on the kit later today.

[Nonsense]

Originally Posted by 97nismo

there are only a handfull of guys willing to pay over 2k for a brake setup....look to see how many for sale threads selling evo calipers for 700...if the whole kit could be bought for around 1k with working e brake i would be in...and not too mention the wheels 18s would be mandatory i would imagine

That first statement is 100% true.

But I doubt The kit I'm trying to put together will be 1k.

What I can also do Like I previously mention (I think I have)

Is,
I can make another kit that includes
bigger oem brackets to enable a larger rotor to fit,
without having to replace the oem calipers.

I know our calipers are one piston.. which sucks compared to the 2-4-6 pistons. but they will perform better.

I can put together a kit like this for both front and rear
using one piece rotors for around 1200.
or using two piece rotors for 2ishh.

Keeping the whole brake system stock,
only giving the calipers steroids to fit larger diameter rotors.
Which probably be the same thickness.

It wont be on of those "Extended Brackets"
that push the original caliper bracket upwards and makes the brake pad retarded. creating a problem where the pad doesn't contact the rotor correctly.

[Nonsense]

OR..

Instead of making the Bracket for the 240sx caliper,
well provide it for the 300zx Calipers.

[vehicle336]

I know I just want to be able to fit a nice 2-piece rotor under my Z32 calipers. With how many people are running the Z32/R32 brake setups already, having a quality, hardcore caliper would be the best option since most of us already have that setup. Bigger base of customers, fewer parts to buy, and for those of us that don't hardpark, having a vented 2-piece rotor that won't cook to hell after a 20-min session would be a nice upgrade. Bracket adapters and a pair of larger, good 2-piece rotors, sign me up.

I should add: There's nothing wrong with the stock z32 caliper, it's nice, 4 piston, cheap and available, I just need more surface area and something that will vent well.

[Nonsense]

Originally Posted by vehicle336

I know I just want to be able to fit a nice 2-piece rotor under my Z32 calipers. With how many people are running the Z32/R32 brake setups already, having a quality, hardcore caliper would be the best option since most of us already have that setup. Bigger base of customers, fewer parts to buy, and for those of us that don't hardpark, having a vented 2-piece rotor that won't cook to hell after a 20-min session would be a nice upgrade. Bracket adapters and a pair of good 2-piece rotors, sign me up.

Thank you for your input

I believe that will be a great alternate.
I will see what I can do to get this option set for production.

I will keep you updated on what size two piece rotors we can provide.

[Croustibat]

Originally Posted by vehicle336

I know I just want to be able to fit a nice 2-piece rotor under my Z32 calipers. With how many people are running the Z32/R32 brake setups already, having a quality, hardcore caliper would be the best option since most of us already have that setup. Bigger base of customers, fewer parts to buy, and for those of us that don't hardpark, having a vented 2-piece rotor that won't cook to hell after a 20-min session would be a nice upgrade. Bracket adapters and a pair of good 2-piece rotors, sign me up.

Lol
i think at least 95% of posters here are cheap hardparkers.

For those who dont hardpark, just head over nrr and get a real brake kit. DefSport 12.2" Wilwood Kit - Group Buy Round 3!!! - Nissan Road Racing Forums

[vehicle336]

Originally Posted by Croustibat

Lol
i think at least 95% of posters here are cheap hardparkers.

For those who dont hardpark, just head over nrr and get a real brake kit. DefSport 12.2" Wilwood Kit - Group Buy Round 3!!! - Nissan Road Racing Forums

Too true, and yes, I'm interested in that kit, but as a 'cheap' option for the OP, I think it would make sense to just use what most people already run as calipers.

[Nonsense]

Originally Posted by vehicle336

Too true, and yes, I'm interested in that kit, but as a 'cheap' option for the OP, I think it would make sense to just use what most people already run as calipers.

Would you consider the 300z OEM Caliper upgrade with a full set
(FRONT+ REAR)
Two Piece Rotors and brake pads for around 2,000$ Though?

[vehicle336]

Originally Posted by Nonsense

Would you consider the 300z OEM Caliper upgrade with a full set
(FRONT+ REAR)
Two Piece Rotors and brake pads for around 2,000$ Though?

Z32 calipers are cheap for all four corners, there's no way someone spends 2k on a z32 brake swap, even if there were 2-piece rotors available, which I have yet to see.

[Nonsense]

Originally Posted by vehicle336

Z32 calipers are cheap for all four corners, there's no way someone spends 2k on a z32 brake swap, even if there were 2-piece rotors available, which I have yet to see.

That will most likely be the price for the caliper upgrade.
around 2k, for the complete front and rear upgrade.

[vehicle336]

I don't know where you're getting that cost.

http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/53248...ors-300-a.html

[Nonsense]

Originally Posted by vehicle336

I don't know where you're getting that cost.

http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/53248...ors-300-a.html

2k for

2 front two piece rotors
2 rear two piece rotors
front and rear brake pads

and the full front and back 300zx bracket upgrade.

Meaning you must have the 300zx brakes yourself.
rotors would more than likely be around a 13 inch

[Nonsense]

Anyone here with 300zx brakes that would love to go two piece?

another idea like mention might be put to production..

[Croustibat]

Dude, i think it is time you understand no one wants a Z32 caliper based kit for more than 500$. INCLUDING calipers. I know you are looking to make money here, but you are 10 years late for that.

Cheap brake upgrades are covered, cheap suspension upgrades are covered, whole front and rear suspension setups are covered, cheap engine mods are covered, cheap chassis braces are SOMEWHAT covered (i think there is still some room for a real chassis brace that would bolt on the floor, to prevent front / rear torsion), lightweight is also well covered too, with lexan windows and fiber parts.

Do yourself a favor and forget about that. If you are going for something "NEW", first check there are not cheaper, better working, better looking alternatives.

[Mile High Silvia]

....could easily buy a used, yet baller, brembo kit for less than 2k. 2k for just rotors?

[jr_ss]

Like we've said, there is already a bracket kit to utilize larger rotors with 300zx calipers. If you can use factory rotors, you can use two piece rotors designed to work around them, that are already available. No one is going to pay 2k for what you mentioned. Hell you can get Def-sport brakes engineered by an engineer for under 1k. Brake bias changes when you swap to huge calipers in the front and leave the rears alone, this effects braking characteristics.

It's a good thought and continue thinking outside of the box, but you need to do this stuff for newer cars that don't have 50 different brake setup alternatives. Or less popular chassis'.

[holemilk00]

Go work ok this sort of thing for an FRS/BRZ

[Nonsense]

I will be making exactly $0.00 out of this
Yeah, there is a whole range of kits to choose from.

BUT!
I am still motivated, if not,
twice as much to create yet another BBK
for our 240s

I will make sure its different than most available kits and hopefully prove it with
track drivers.

Performance/Price Will Equal

Thanks for your input!

[Mile High Silvia]

Originally Posted by jr_ss

Like we've said, there is already a bracket kit to utilize larger rotors with 300zx calipers. If you can use factory rotors, you can use two piece rotors designed to work around them, that are already available. No one is going to pay 2k for what you mentioned. Hell you can get Def-sport brakes engineered by an engineer for under 1k. Brake bias changes when you swap to huge calipers in the front and leave the rears alone, this effects braking characteristics.

It's a good thought and continue thinking outside of the box, but you need to do this stuff for newer cars that don't have 50 different brake setup alternatives. Or less popular chassis'.

i agree with everything said here. no body is going to pay 2k for rotors. thats just ridiculous. i have the stop tech bbk and its 2k for 2 piece rotors, huge lightweight calipers, and pads.

how about a bbk for under $1k? that would sell.

[Croustibat]

Originally Posted by Nonsense

I will be making exactly $0.00 out of this
Yeah, there is a whole range of kits to choose from.

BUT!
I am still motivated, if not,
twice as much to create yet another BBK
for our 240s

I will make sure its different than most available kits and hopefully prove it with
track drivers.

Performance/Price Will Equal

Thanks for your input!

You still dont understand.

Of course you will be making 0$ , because no one will buy them. there already TONS of big brake kits that mostly sell for half your rotors price, and they have been proven to work already. There is no market for another one. Try if you want, but you are just wasting time and money.

[Nonsense]

Well see what happens

[niscur29]

Dude you just aren't getting it. My brand new CTSV front brake package that I slapped together via Mazworx, rock auto, and amazon was a whopping 500 bucks for brand new everything which netted me brembos in the front. They are aluminum, lighter than my stock calipers, the size of a milk carton, and combined with evo rotors the car stops nothing short of awesome, and this is with a front heavy iron LS and stock rear calipers. I'd love to upgrade the rear to match, but no way in hell I would ever drop that much coin. You want to do something amazing? Figure out a product that costs more that Z32 front/rears but better performance and less than a front and rear willwood, stoptech for the same performance and you will have your product.

FYI, You can correct brake bias while going larger in the front only via a pathfinder master cylinder. Same bias as stock but a 1" MC.

[Nonsense]

Originally Posted by niscur29

Dude you just aren't getting it. My brand new CTSV front brake package that I slapped together via Mazworx, rock auto, and amazon was a whopping 500 bucks for brand new everything which netted me brembos in the front. They are aluminum, lighter than my stock calipers, the size of a milk carton, and combined with evo rotors the car stops nothing short of awesome, and this is with a front heavy iron LS and stock rear calipers. I'd love to upgrade the rear to match, but no way in hell I would ever drop that much coin. You want to do something amazing? Figure out a product that costs more that Z32 front/rears but better performance and less than a front and rear willwood, stoptech for the same performance and you will have your product.

FYI, You can correct brake bias while going larger in the front only via a pathfinde
r master cylinder. Same bias as stock but a 1" MC.

Thanks bro

[shiftdrift]

Defsport Wilwood kit...... end thread