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Old 09-23-2013, 10:38 PM   #91
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Which skid plates clear the Nismo Power Brace? Does the Xcessive skid plate clear it?

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I am also interested in this information.
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...we don't build F1 race cars here. No need for cutting edge technology to protect my knockoff fiberglass bumper that I can't even spend the time to fit to the car properly. are you getting it yet?
no need for cutting edge technology when you cant even handle basic concepts like attempting to properly install your knockoff fiberglass bumper?


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i cannot believe this thread exists... its an embarrassment to the community.

wood has no place on a modern car, period.
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wood has no place on a modern car, period.
What about classy wooden steering wheels? Personally not my cup of tea, but they're in good taste. Checkmate, try again some time.

EDIT: Also I'm nominating this thread of the year.
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i was thinking of installing some bookshelves by the rear passenger seats...for long journeys, you know.
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Which skid plates clear the Nismo Power Brace? Does the Xcessive skid plate clear it?

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They should ALL clear. I have yet to see a skid plate that dips up in-between the tension rod brackets.

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What about classy wooden steering wheels? Personally not my cup of tea, but they're in good taste. Checkmate, try again some time.

EDIT: Also I'm nominating this thread of the year.
ACTUALLY wood steering wheels are out-of-place in a modern STYLE car. Looks way better in an old-school ride.


No, 240's are NOT "modern" cars in stock form. The truth is that most of us are modifying them with a modern STYLE though. There aren't too many old-school style 240's out there...
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I was just thinking about the idea of welding some metal to the bottom of my frame rails today somewhat along these lines. Seems like a solid idea. Granted best plan would be to make your exhaust tuck up above the rails but that is not always possible.
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most of us are modifying them with a modern STYLE though.
hit the nail on the head. the car itself is not "modern", but when you are styling and upgrading your car with parts that are "in" right now so to speak, you are making it "modern"

I don't care how much people want to bash this thread, there has actually been some good info to read in here.
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on a more serious note, if you are actually serious why dont you guys do what corvette owners have been doing for years. They have plates with little wheels on them to roll up driveways etc. They also have ones called "fangs".



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that is actually....nice!

not the shopping cart wheel, that's ridiculous.
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They're in good taste? They're fuckin' BULLSHIT is what they are. It goes hand-in-hand with these fuckin bur-berry interiors that all you tight-jean fruitcakes run.. go ahead, checkmate my nuts


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because its fucking STUPID. stealing wheels from your kids skateboard, how retarded is that....

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Marine birch plywood is just fine for a splitter. A layer of fiberglass over it stiffens it right up, but if you don't care about another 7-10 lbs, you can just go with a thicker piece of plywood to get the stiffness fine.

The stress a splitter is subjected to isn't that high. I've seen some flimsy shit last just fine on some pretty quick race cars.


And an aluminum sheet is a stupid idea for a splitter - it would weigh a metric asston to get enough stiffness in bending for a splitter.
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Marine birch plywood is just fine for a splitter. A layer of fiberglass over it stiffens it right up, but if you don't care about another 7-10 lbs, you can just go with a thicker piece of plywood to get the stiffness fine.

The stress a splitter is subjected to isn't that high. I've seen some flimsy shit last just fine on some pretty quick race cars.


And an aluminum sheet is a stupid idea for a splitter - it would weigh a metric asston to get enough stiffness in bending for a splitter.
Question: What is YOUR splitter constructed from???

Adding a layer of fiberglass for stiffness is a good idea. Using the treated marine birch wood is also good. Both of those would help with dry-rot/moisture absorbtion as well as stiffness.

My biggest issue with plywood is that it's so damned thick and heavy. I prefer a splitter that actually SPLITS the airflow rather than just bludgening it in half. Also the wear would be a concern for me. I would be worried about taking chunks out of it or the layers de-laminating over time.

A thin treated hardwood wrapped with fiberglass actually sounds pretty proper I might just steal that idea when the time comes!
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Question: What is YOUR splitter constructed from???

Adding a layer of fiberglass for stiffness is a good idea. Using the treated marine birch wood is also good. Both of those would help with dry-rot/moisture absorbtion as well as stiffness.

My biggest issue with plywood is that it's so damned thick and heavy. I prefer a splitter that actually SPLITS the airflow rather than just bludgening it in half. Also the wear would be a concern for me. I would be worried about taking chunks out of it or the layers de-laminating over time.

A thin treated hardwood wrapped with fiberglass actually sounds pretty proper I might just steal that idea when the time comes!

which is why i posted the links about the splinter supercar. laminated veneer loomed like on that car has a higher strength to weight ratio than steel or aluminum. and it can be molded or shaped much the same way as carbon fiber.
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which is why i posted the links about the splinter supercar. laminated veneer loomed like on that car has a higher strength to weight ratio than steel or aluminum. and it can be molded or shaped much the same way as carbon fiber.
Yeah, great. I bet it costs 10x as much as just using carbon fiber as well. That car was made for oil sheiks with more money than is possible to count. Basically a giant artifical penis for all to behold. Jabroc is also a wood product. I LOVE Jabroc. It is quite a stretch to attempt to compare either of those wood products to regular old 1/2" plywood.
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Marine birch plywood is just fine for a splitter. A layer of fiberglass over it stiffens it right up, but if you don't care about another 7-10 lbs, you can just go with a thicker piece of plywood to get the stiffness fine.

The stress a splitter is subjected to isn't that high. I've seen some flimsy shit last just fine on some pretty quick race cars.


And an aluminum sheet is a stupid idea for a splitter - it would weigh a metric asston to get enough stiffness in bending for a splitter.
Birch is a hardwood. Most of these posters are thinking of the pine stuff down at Home Despot or bLowes.
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They should ALL clear. I have yet to see a skid plate that dips up in-between the tension rod brackets.
The best ones go in between (best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence).

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The best ones go in between (best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence).

Wow kiss your TC brackets and oil pan goodbye with that...

Good ones bolt to the rod brackets then curve later to deflect a bash down away. not right into the pan. That thing is thin as hell too.

I like the PSM SP.

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The best ones go in between (best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence).

Yeah, but the crossbar on the power brace is actually towards the rear of the brackets slightly. It should clear that. You would have to be stupid to not take a "power brace' or similar into consideration when designing an underpanel like that.

I don't know why they did it like that. There ARE mounting points SPECIFICALLY FOR an underpanel on the tension rod brackets...
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you can make a light and functional front splitter using cheap materials, as long as you know some materials and how to use them...

you can buy foam sheets from composite stores, that can be shaped using simple tools like a saw and some big grit sandpapers, and overlay that with tightly woven fiberglass, 2-3 layers with different directions on the weave, and then paint the whole thing black... the only thing you have to be careful with this, is you gotta make bigger metal mounts ,cause concentrated forces like one scew, might crush the foam between the fiberglass layers. i dont mention kevlar or carbon, though kevlar is the ideal for this place, cause cost is too damn high...

as for jabroc etc, they say it has weight to strength ratio better than steel, but you gotta use like a 1 inch thick plate, while if you made it from steel you would use 2mm...
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Yeah, great. I bet it costs 10x as much as just using carbon fiber as well. That car was made for oil sheiks with more money than is possible to count. Basically a giant artifical penis for all to behold. Jabroc is also a wood product. I LOVE Jabroc. It is quite a stretch to attempt to compare either of those wood products to regular old 1/2" plywood.
cost is cheaper, just have to know how to do it. and i wasn't taking about making a car out of wood, which was made by a college engineering student and a team he had gathered if you would have bothered to read any of those links. but that requires intelligence and comprehension skills above that of a cucumber which seemingly most of you lack. jabroc, oh the irony!
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How are they a hinderance? Mine has taken some really solid hits that would have otherwise connected directly with the oil pan/sway bar. PSM does not do shit just for looks the majority of the time.

Maybe it won't stiffen your chassis like they say but it sure as hell is going to be better than pavement directly to oil pan which is what they are designed to prevent. If you hit a speedbump at speed sure this won't do jack shit but become another thing you need to take off or bend back when pulling the car up onto a wrecker but that is the least of your issues then.
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Question: What is YOUR splitter constructed from???

Adding a layer of fiberglass for stiffness is a good idea. Using the treated marine birch wood is also good. Both of those would help with dry-rot/moisture absorbtion as well as stiffness.

My biggest issue with plywood is that it's so damned thick and heavy. I prefer a splitter that actually SPLITS the airflow rather than just bludgening it in half. Also the wear would be a concern for me. I would be worried about taking chunks out of it or the layers de-laminating over time.

A thin treated hardwood wrapped with fiberglass actually sounds pretty proper I might just steal that idea when the time comes!
My old one was Tegris, but the short length of the CoT splitter was not good for aerodynamics.

I agree you need to profile the splitter, but the flow separation isn't that bad with a square front (see CoT splitters).

I plan to do a 1/4" birch plywood and at least 1 layer of FG for my next splitter. It's hard to find weight estimates of the birch plywood though, so I'm still debating an alumalite splitter. But as far as durability goes - alumalite is NOT that durable. If you bend it with an off, it's very difficult to straighten it back out well. It also tends to "kink" or buckle when bent due to all the stiffness coming from the aluminum sheets on the outside.

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I know, which is why I specifically mentioned it, and didn't say "pick up the most waterlogged, rotten POS piece of wood you can find."

My local big box stores all sell birch plywood as well.
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Wow kiss your TC brackets and oil pan goodbye with that...

Good ones bolt to the rod brackets then curve later to deflect a bash down away. not right into the pan. That thing is thin as hell too.

I like the PSM SP.

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best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence.
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My local big box stores all sell birch plywood as well.
Birch plywood is good for cabinets, thats what I used in my garage.

Havent you morons learned anything yet? Steel plate is the ONLY solution here. I can tell you from first-hand experience, that they used steel plate in practically every episode of the A-Team when they had to make their vehicle bullet & explosion proof.

Def, I'm starting to question your engineering qualifications. In fact, I'm certainly glad I did not purchase that big brake kit you and Yates were selling.

Birch for splitters... pssh. Whats next, are people going to remove their SR20DETs in favor for USDM V8s? I think not.

Besides, dont you guys know that pushrods are ancient 1920 technology?
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