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Old 08-03-2016, 10:55 AM   #1
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Nissan's 86/BRZ Successor: Silvia ?

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In the words of Fox Mulder: "I want to believe."

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Every time Tsu, is Glico. A little surprised today! Let me introduce the information. Nissan is the development of a new coupe of Sylvia size, it seems to have finally resumed.

Do you remember that in 2013 of Tokyo has been exhibited in the motor show called "iDx" coupe concept car? At the time, I was moving towards the commercial, development is that there is a low priority for commercialization in 2014 is frozen, the project team was virtually disbanded state. It is, along with the development resumption of the new Fairlady Z, which was announced the other day, it seems here also became a development resume in the new members. Moreover, Toka in Tokyo Motor Show of 2017 has been determined to be exhibited concept car close to the commercial as possible. Because the information from a reliable source, the possibility is probably pretty high.

But it does not seem to be a crunchy sports coupe, to become the de facto, brother car the next Fairlady Z, the potential is quite high likely. By the way, it is called 2ℓ straight 4 turbo engine which employs the world's first technology that variable compression ratio is mounted on the highest grade.

Such as the exterior design at the present stage is unknown, but will no doubt be a relatively compact body. Really, to come out in next year's Tokyo Motor Show will What kind of car, I will exciting from now!


2 + 2 to be a sporty coupe is a mistake that seems.
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would be neat.

not holding my breath.

if they can't get it together to produce an iDx, I can't see how they could manage a rwd sports coupe. Instead we'll probably get a convertible juke, and another Altima coupe.

*daydreaming* would be rad if they used their newly acquired stake in Mitsubishi to utilize a 4b11 in rwd config, in a 2dr rwd sport coupe
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would be neat.

not holding my breath.

if they can't get it together to produce an iDx, I can't see how they could manage a rwd sports coupe. Instead we'll probably get a convertible juke, and another Altima coupe.

*daydreaming* would be rad if they used their newly acquired stake in Mitsubishi to utilize a 4b11 in rwd config, in a 2dr rwd sport coupe
so you want a hyundai genesis
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Reposted this in the Future RWD 240sx/coupe thread to increase attention.
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lol, RIP genesis.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-not-imminent/

I would like a Nissan genesis, but about 800lb lighter.
theres a dude here in socal with an s13 coupe, mild tuned 4g63 in it, and its a beast of a car. why Nissan can't/won't engineer something comparable to the proven 4g63 (which is decades old) is beyond me.
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Updated with the translated article. There's a little bit of iDX name-dropping.
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oooo 4g63 s chassis sounds FUN.

LOL @ genesis.

I just hope they keep something RWD and not lame. they'd seriously do WORK if they make a new S16, rwd single turbo. deeeestroy the FT86.

I'm still also worried about the next gen Z chassis too. :/
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^^^The 86 is already destroyed/dead pretty much. Look at it's sales... lol... Couldn't save Scion from the chopping block.

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I think the FRS just gotta an accelerated version of the same AIDS the 240SX had. I owned an FRS and they're awesome little cars. Hard to justify the 'new' price but scooping a low-mileage used one would be the next best thing if you're 'done' with the s-chassis.
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If this was built and made it to market as an 86/brz competitor, and it utilized a 4cyl turbo engine as the report seems to state combined with a decent chassis and rwd, what I would be most excited to see is it force Toyota's hand in making the 86 competitive with the (s16?) and reviving the cheap sports coupe market.

I do admit this is a complete longshot.

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its click bait... this project is dead. if it were happening, i wouldve known by now via my source at Nissan.
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If this was built and made it to market as an 86/brz competitor, and it utilized a 4cyl turbo engine as the report seems to state combined with a decent chassis and rwd, what I would be most excited to see is it force Toyota's hand in making the 86 competitive with the (s16?) and reviving the cheap sports coupe market.

I do admit this is a complete longshot.

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Here's a totally out-of-my-ass statement with no facts behind it. Par for the course on Ziiva:

Nissan cars suck. If they suck as much as I think they do they need to do something to boost sales. Releasing a new Silvia alongside the new Z would be a great way to get asses in seats and sales up.

...or...

People actually like all of Nissan's ugly fucking cars. Their sales are doing well enough to allow for the continuation of the 'small sports car' project they started with the iDX.

I believe it more this time around. I never bought into the iDX thing even when they were taking the prototypes to Cars & Coffee. Now seems like a good time to believe.

Like I said, I really want to believe in it.
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its click bait... this project is dead. if it were happening, i wouldve known by now via my source at Nissan.
LOL Mr big shot.....tell us again. I guess future rwd thread wasn't enough for that post...autographs later?
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The auto sales industry is very slow right now guys. Even if Nissan were to develop a new RWD platform, there's no way in fuck its entering the US market. Scion tanked, the GT86 is struggling... and they're not gonna sway consumers looking at the BMW 1 or 2 series..
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QFT Exactly, Nismo is too wrapped up in the R35 now to be spending any resources on an S16 platform. Seems as if Nismo has to be involved in order to get the ball rolling on any performance based Nissan.
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Here's a totally out-of-my-ass statement with no facts behind it. Par for the course on Ziiva:

Nissan cars suck. If they suck as much as I think they do they need to do something to boost sales. Releasing a new Silvia alongside the new Z would be a great way to get asses in seats and sales up.

...or...

People actually like all of Nissan's ugly fucking cars. Their sales are doing well enough to allow for the continuation of the 'small sports car' project they started with the iDX.

I believe it more this time around. I never bought into the iDX thing even when they were taking the prototypes to Cars & Coffee. Now seems like a good time to believe.

Like I said, I really want to believe in it.
unfortunately, I think its the latter, sans the continuation of the sports car project part. I have non car person friends who actually think the new generation maxima looks attractive, and there are enough Jukes on my daily commute to make me think the whole world needs corrective lenses. Even though Nissan seems to be doing okay, I dont see any sort of new s-chassis on the horizon anytime soon.

Question for those of you more knowledgeable of Nissan's current global lineup than me, is there even any platform currently in use that a small sports car could exist on?
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pretty sure the Q60 is the closest thing coming down the pipeline



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not terrible or anything, but not exactly S16 material either
http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-infinit...oup-1752263989
400hp v6tt? somehow they aren't worried about THIS undercutting 370z sales???
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its click bait... this project is dead. if it were happening, i wouldve known by now via my source at Nissan.
That's stupid. Just because your source at Nissan doesn't know anything yet, doesn't mean anything isn't happening. Unless your "source" is extremely high up on the totem pole - this means working at the coorporate level, not just some dealership - he won't know any information until there's an official release from Nissan.

Manufacturers are pretty good about keeping upcoming projects pretty hush hush until it's time to reveal. If a bunch of people already know about it, it's because said manufacturer likely wants them to know.

That being said, until there is an official statement from somebody (who matters) that works for Nissan, everything said is just speculation.

I won't be surprised if this concept never makes it production, honestly. We shall see, though.
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The auto sales industry is very slow right now guys. Even if Nissan were to develop a new RWD platform, there's no way in fuck its entering the US market. Scion tanked, the GT86 is struggling... and they're not gonna sway consumers looking at the BMW 1 or 2 series..
Agree with the first part; second part I'm not so sure. We only get the 2 series here in the US, for starters. Secondly, the price point is a big factor. A 228i (to become the 230i for 2017) which is extremely bland, is 33k starting. The M235i (to become the 240i for 2017), is 45k starting.

If Nissan were to bring this car out to compete with the FRS/BRZ, the price would be similar as well, meaning 25-28k. Those who want the BMW will buy it for the refinement and luxury, or for the BMW name. People spend 100k for a Nissan GTR, when they could also spend 100k for an M5 or a 7 series. It comes down to the invididual client and what specific wants/needs they have from a vehicle.

If this car from Nissan really does come out, I can tell you exactly how it's going to go: It'll be the hottest thing out for about a year. The kids who can't afford it will bitch about how it needs more power or how it could be better in some way, even though they will have never driven it. Every second rate car reviewer with a youtube channel will make a car review on it. There will be rocket bunny available for it like 2 weeks after it hits dealer lots, and people will be throwing BC coilovers and xxr/rota/miro/varrstoen wheels on it like crazy. People will come up with new hashtags to get maximum likes and follows. People will stop really giving a shit about it after a year or two, and talk about how it's not relevant until it gets more power.
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I think the FRS just gotta an accelerated version of the same AIDS the 240SX had. I owned an FRS and they're awesome little cars. Hard to justify the 'new' price but scooping a low-mileage used one would be the next best thing if you're 'done' with the s-chassis.
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not terrible or anything, but not exactly S16 material either

400hp v6tt? somehow they aren't worried about THIS undercutting 370z sales???

The reality is that the people who want a sub-30K 2+2 sports coupe, generally can't afford one. The reason they are not worried about undercutting the 370Z is because the 370 in Nissan's eyes IS their bargain bin sports coupe. They are not concerned with appeasing the peasants. The Q60 will be priced above it.

All the peasants get is shitty multi-use (ie: versatile but does nothing particularly well) mini-crossovers and hatchbacks. You know why? Because generally that's what peasants buy. Most people out there with only 25K to blow are going to try and get the most bang for their buck. Not a sporty coupe that only impresses teenagers.

We exist in this echo-chamber because we are still teenagers at heart when it comes to these cars. I'd love to see Toyota and Nissan duke it out in a 2+2 affordable sports car "race" but it just isn't going to happen. The best we have to hope for is for Mazda to keep shitting on everyone with the Miata, and prey one of these other companies gets hungry for a piece of that pie.

Until then, in terms of cars newer then 2000, this is what we have to work with.

Miata
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Possibly for the rest of eternity barring some fucking miracle.

I place no faith in this article. The iDx was already at cars and coffee, Jay Lenos garage, multiple other media outlets, and THEY STILL SHIT CANNED IT. Obviously someone at Nissan was willing to stick his neck out to take it that far, but the bean counters just couldn't make it work.
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:53 PM   #26
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pretty sure the Q60 is the closest thing coming down the pipeline



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not terrible or anything, but not exactly S16 material either
http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-infinit...oup-1752263989
400hp v6tt? somehow they aren't worried about THIS undercutting 370z sales???
duh

you can already reserve it

http://www.infinitiusa.com/coupe/2017-q60/
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$40,000 + no available manual option, ever.

no thanks!
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duh

you can already reserve it
yes, that's EXACTLY why I said "coming down the pipeline"

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$40,000 + no available manual option, ever.

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eh, I'm sure someone will have an adapter plate to bolt a cd009 to it pretty quick.

I just hope its not already at the upper edge of its tune, and has room for aftermarket engine modification.
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I wish automakers would just say fuck it and produce cheap enthusiast cars again.
Just for the hell of it.
The industry is going to become electric/hydrogen/solar/wind/magic power and autonomous centric in the next decade or so anyways, so id love to see them just say fuck the bean counters and give the ICE a nice bang on its way out.

Never gonna happen
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