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TUnity2 · 11-24-2005, 10:34 PM

OK, i searched and didnt find any satisfying answers, i want an answer from someone who has ACUTALLY drifted with SUPER HICAS in an S13, not someone whose friends, mothers, dog, told them their friend did it.

I want to know if it is actually harder/easier and if different, how.

If it sucks instead of getting the eleminter bar i will just get the little canceler cuputer unit, that way i can keep it on the street.

Thanks.

***FaLKoN240*** · 11-24-2005, 11:20 PM

Why HICAS sucks.

Don't bother trying to keep the HICAS. It makes it too unstable at high speeds.

Irukandji · 11-24-2005, 11:30 PM

i've never drifted a hicas s13, but my friend's mother's dog owner's babysitter's exboyfriend... oh wait... nvm you didn't want that

nevermind...

Some zilvians have HICAS on their cars but from what I remember, most AutoX

!Zar! · 11-25-2005, 12:46 AM

Hicas does suck IMO, what reason do you not want to place the hicas eliminator kit in? If the mangled word you were attempting to say was cumputer canceler, I personaly haven't heard of one. But I would fear of unstability being as how the acutators and bushings are still there.
For auto x hicas isn't going to be a great set back but an aid. Althogh some feel it makes the steering feel artificial and you get less feedback but that depends on the driver. As for drifting it's a setback. Harder to lose traction and kills stabiliy. But I did hear from my best friends friend who knows this woman who said it was easy to drift with hicas...

TUnity2 · 11-25-2005, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240FaLKoN

Why HICAS sucks.

Don't bother trying to keep the HICAS. It makes it too unstable at high speeds.

You have driven on Hicas and know this?

Oh, and this is the SUPER HICAS controller:
http://www.grid.co.jp/en/prod/prod7.htm
[IMG]www.grid.co.jp/ sum/sw_hc.jpg[/IMG]

genetic · 11-25-2005, 11:41 AM

i think its just a little harder. oh yeah i drive one.

drift freaq · 11-26-2005, 12:53 PM

Negatives about Hicas cars. Heavier overall, the Hicas setup adds a good 70-100lbs . Hicas does not kick in till your going 50 mph or more. I have owned and driven several Super Hicas cars. Low speed drifts are fine. High speed? Its going to fight you. Other negative about Hicas is you cannot install aftermarket traction rod due to the design of the lower control arm for the hicas.

genetic · 11-26-2005, 05:30 PM

yeah, thats true.

but feels the same to me. oh well its a car.

boosteds13 · 11-26-2005, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Hicas does not kick in till your going 50 mph or more. I have owned and driven several Super Hicas cars.

Really? I always thought it only worked between 30-50mph. I've never drifted my car so I cannot say...

aznpoopy · 11-26-2005, 06:43 PM

man... one of our older members is an autox'r up in canada and he liked it. Halo i think, no?

bottomline is you got it on your car; so you might as well try it out before you decide to waste some $$$ getting rid of it.

caall99 · 11-26-2005, 06:45 PM

0-15 mph: wheels turn opposite to fronts, aiding turning circle
15-55 mph: hicas does nothing
55+ mph: wheels turn with fronts, for stable highway lane changing

atleast thats what i think happens

on the highway hicas is amazing. u need very little input to the steering wheel to drive through a long sweeping bend. and it almost feels like the car rolls less. might not be true but it feels like its more planted. i enjoy it.

mr_240sx · 11-26-2005, 06:50 PM

ive never driven on or been in one that has hicas so i wouldnt know.

TUnity2 · 11-26-2005, 08:10 PM

http://www.grid.co.jp/en/prod/prod7.htm

Well I found a HICAS controller, that way i dont have to eliminate it, i can just turn it OFF when I'm drifting and ON for AutoX and daily driving. Not a bad investment for only $157.13

drift freaq · 11-27-2005, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caall99

0-15 mph: wheels turn opposite to fronts, aiding turning circle
15-55 mph: hicas does nothing
55+ mph: wheels turn with fronts, for stable highway lane changing

atleast thats what i think happens

on the highway hicas is amazing. u need very little input to the steering wheel to drive through a long sweeping bend. and it almost feels like the car rolls less. might not be true but it feels like its more planted. i enjoy it.

you are correct except for the 0-15 part. It only does that on Hondas 4 wheel steering system and G.M.'s current 4 wheel steering system on their trucks. The Nissan 4 wheel steering system aka Super Hicas does not assist at low speed or extremely low speed i.e. in parking conditions.
The reason your turning circle is tighter is because the ratio on your front steering rack in a super hicas is a closer ratio than the the racks that come in other 240's 13:1 Hicas cars vs 17:1 non hicas cars.

none the less as far as Hicas working at higher speeds go I prefer non hicas cars. Though I do love Hicas cars front steering racks.

A Spec Products · 11-27-2005, 01:27 PM

hicas blows for the rear

hicas steering rack for the front is cool, like 2-3 turns to full lock, no bus driving style

the stupid rear hicas rack (like drift freaq said) is HEAVY, you could use that to knock an elephant over

i disabled mine with the kazama lock bar a year or two back, works fine, if i had more time back then i would've swapped over to a whole new (used) rear subframe, much less headache and you can use rear toe links. as for drifting with it, cant tell you, only drifted on it after swapped.

SPL has some cool contraptions to cancel hicas and use aftermarket toe rods, check it out. only thing is kinda pricey, if you dont mind the hassle you could just buy a used subframe and swap over.

Agamemnon · 11-27-2005, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

13:1 Hicas cars vs 17:1 non hicas cars..

Close. 14.9:1 for Hicas.

TUnity2 · 11-27-2005, 08:57 PM

well the HICAS feels awsome on the interstae, changing lanes and taking sweeping corners is awsome. But i dont get the HICAS light, it came on and stayed on the entire time i was driving, even when i stopped. then i stopped and turned teh car off, and when i got back in and started driving it didnt turn on again, whats the deal with the light? whens it supposed to turn on?

drift freaq · 11-28-2005, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TUnity2

well the HICAS feels awsome on the interstae, changing lanes and taking sweeping corners is awsome. But i dont get the HICAS light, it came on and stayed on the entire time i was driving, even when i stopped. then i stopped and turned teh car off, and when i got back in and started driving it didnt turn on again, whats the deal with the light? whens it supposed to turn on?

your hicas light comes on when the system is not working properly. Usually this is caused by low power steering fluid due to a system leak. Its also common for Hicas cars to have a system leak, cause there are more hoses and lines to crack or leak.

drift freaq · 11-28-2005, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Close. 14.9:1 for Hicas.

actually I believe its closer to 13.7:1 . I am going to check on your 14.9 :1 because I have never heard that before.

TUnity2 · 11-28-2005, 11:51 AM

OK so Hicas light= BAD, ill check my fluid level, thanks.

44downlow · 10-14-2008, 11:17 PM

Hello. I have a 91 240sx with Super Hicas (no abs). I love the system. Never had any problems. The additions of metal bushing front tension rods the car handles like a dream. Only time I have ever felt "loose" is over 180km/h and that was before I installed the tension rods, now it's amazing. Very little steering effort is needed. I have tons of steering feedback and road feel. Feels good in rain/snow even. Actually for a rear wheel drive car it is really good in the snow. I was unaware of the limitation with the rear traction rod. I thought it could be replaced but just not with metal bushings, must use poly or rubber. I personally find Hicas more valuable than not, but if I were to drift the car I would probably take it out. It works better when the wheels are planted on the road

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My 2 cents.

projectRDM · 10-14-2008, 11:27 PM

And you revived a three year old thread to tell us that?

SpuGen · 10-15-2008, 05:00 AM

Damn it Canada.

landins13 · 10-15-2008, 07:17 AM

for drifting it sucks for autox its ok for drag racing it sucks, fr parralell parking its awsome. i removed from my s13 after 1 drift day the car kept over steering and sending me towards the walls

240trainee · 10-15-2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpuGen

Damn it Canada.

TPS240sxS13 · 10-15-2008, 02:58 PM

I own a 93 Super HICAS and I find that its easyer to get the car sideways in a drift, but much harder to keep the car sideways. I mean i'm not the best drifter out there an di am still learning, but thats what I see. As for a HICAS lock I found this one and i am planing on using it. If you have used it before, please let me know your thoughts on it.

TOMEI Hicas Lock II Nissan Mechanical & Electrical

JVDSKYRINE · 10-15-2008, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpuGen

Damn it Canada.

Hey some of us upgraded from horses and riding polar bears and snow mobiles and for that we deserve to be on this site. Seriously though this thread was in hibernation you should do the same with yourself.

drift freaq · 10-15-2008, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by landins13

for drifting it sucks for autox its ok for drag racing it sucks, fr parralell parking its awsome. i removed from my s13 after 1 drift day the car kept over steering and sending me towards the walls

Ok first off this an ancient thread. Second off the only thing that is helping you in your parallel parking is the quicker ratio front rack. Hicas on our cars only works above 50 mph. Its not Honda/Acura 4 wheel steering which actually works at low not high speed.

P.S. if you have bothered to read the thread this was covered as well.

racepar1 · 10-15-2008, 04:57 PM

God dammit! Why do you people revive 3 year old damn threads? I didn't notice and took the time to write an actual response and now I have to edit it because it is useless. YOU SUCK!

Videlicet · 07-05-2019, 11:06 PM

Damn this is an ancient thread. Still useful to me though.

11-24-2005, 10:34 PM	#1
TUnity2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chalmette, la Posts: 511 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SUPER HICAS for drifting???? OK, i searched and didnt find any satisfying answers, i want an answer from someone who has ACUTALLY drifted with SUPER HICAS in an S13, not someone whose friends, mothers, dog, told them their friend did it. I want to know if it is actually harder/easier and if different, how. If it sucks instead of getting the eleminter bar i will just get the little canceler cuputer unit, that way i can keep it on the street. Thanks.

11-24-2005, 11:20 PM	#2
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,885 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	Why HICAS sucks. Don't bother trying to keep the HICAS. It makes it too unstable at high speeds. __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

11-25-2005, 12:46 AM	#4
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Hicas does suck IMO, what reason do you not want to place the hicas eliminator kit in? If the mangled word you were attempting to say was cumputer canceler, I personaly haven't heard of one. But I would fear of unstability being as how the acutators and bushings are still there. For auto x hicas isn't going to be a great set back but an aid. Althogh some feel it makes the steering feel artificial and you get less feedback but that depends on the driver. As for drifting it's a setback. Harder to lose traction and kills stabiliy. But I did hear from my best friends friend who knows this woman who said it was easy to drift with hicas... __________________

11-26-2005, 12:53 PM	#7
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,562 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	Negatives about Hicas cars. Heavier overall, the Hicas setup adds a good 70-100lbs . Hicas does not kick in till your going 50 mph or more. I have owned and driven several Super Hicas cars. Low speed drifts are fine. High speed? Its going to fight you. Other negative about Hicas is you cannot install aftermarket traction rod due to the design of the lower control arm for the hicas. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

11-26-2005, 06:45 PM	#11
caall99 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wellesley, MA Age: 39 Posts: 267 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	0-15 mph: wheels turn opposite to fronts, aiding turning circle 15-55 mph: hicas does nothing 55+ mph: wheels turn with fronts, for stable highway lane changing atleast thats what i think happens on the highway hicas is amazing. u need very little input to the steering wheel to drive through a long sweeping bend. and it almost feels like the car rolls less. might not be true but it feels like its more planted. i enjoy it. __________________ Signature over limits http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=21036

11-24-2005, 11:30 PM	#3
Irukandji Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Compton Posts: 4,268 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i've never drifted a hicas s13, but my friend's mother's dog owner's babysitter's exboyfriend... oh wait... nvm you didn't want that nevermind... Some zilvians have HICAS on their cars but from what I remember, most AutoX

11-25-2005, 11:41 AM	#6
genetic Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 260 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i think its just a little harder. oh yeah i drive one.

11-26-2005, 05:30 PM	#8
genetic Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 260 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	yeah, thats true. but feels the same to me. oh well its a car.

11-26-2005, 06:43 PM	#10
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	man... one of our older members is an autox'r up in canada and he liked it. Halo i think, no? bottomline is you got it on your car; so you might as well try it out before you decide to waste some $$$ getting rid of it.

11-26-2005, 06:50 PM	#12
mr_240sx Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ottawa Age: 37 Posts: 6,320 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: mr_240sx Feedback Score: 4 reviews	ive never driven on or been in one that has hicas so i wouldnt know.

11-26-2005, 08:10 PM	#13
TUnity2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chalmette, la Posts: 511 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.grid.co.jp/en/prod/prod7.htm Well I found a HICAS controller, that way i dont have to eliminate it, i can just turn it OFF when I'm drifting and ON for AutoX and daily driving. Not a bad investment for only $157.13

11-27-2005, 01:27 PM	#15
A Spec Products Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Socal! Off 60/605 Posts: 7,256 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	hicas blows for the rear hicas steering rack for the front is cool, like 2-3 turns to full lock, no bus driving style the stupid rear hicas rack (like drift freaq said) is HEAVY, you could use that to knock an elephant over i disabled mine with the kazama lock bar a year or two back, works fine, if i had more time back then i would've swapped over to a whole new (used) rear subframe, much less headache and you can use rear toe links. as for drifting with it, cant tell you, only drifted on it after swapped. SPL has some cool contraptions to cancel hicas and use aftermarket toe rods, check it out. only thing is kinda pricey, if you dont mind the hassle you could just buy a used subframe and swap over. __________________ A SPEC PRODUCTS CORP AME Wheels, Advan, ARC, Gram Lights, Nardi, Personal, Recaro, Works Bell, Work Wheels, Volk Racing, 5Zigen, & more! 626.618.1100 x 103 / aim: aspectuan Advertiser's Specials! Read / Give Feedback! Please Rate Us!

11-27-2005, 08:57 PM	#17
TUnity2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chalmette, la Posts: 511 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well the HICAS feels awsome on the interstae, changing lanes and taking sweeping corners is awsome. But i dont get the HICAS light, it came on and stayed on the entire time i was driving, even when i stopped. then i stopped and turned teh car off, and when i got back in and started driving it didnt turn on again, whats the deal with the light? whens it supposed to turn on?

11-28-2005, 11:51 AM	#20
TUnity2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chalmette, la Posts: 511 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	OK so Hicas light= BAD, ill check my fluid level, thanks.

10-14-2008, 11:17 PM	#21
44downlow Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hello. I have a 91 240sx with Super Hicas (no abs). I love the system. Never had any problems. The additions of metal bushing front tension rods the car handles like a dream. Only time I have ever felt "loose" is over 180km/h and that was before I installed the tension rods, now it's amazing. Very little steering effort is needed. I have tons of steering feedback and road feel. Feels good in rain/snow even. Actually for a rear wheel drive car it is really good in the snow. I was unaware of the limitation with the rear traction rod. I thought it could be replaced but just not with metal bushings, must use poly or rubber. I personally find Hicas more valuable than not, but if I were to drift the car I would probably take it out. It works better when the wheels are planted on the road. My 2 cents.

10-14-2008, 11:27 PM	#22
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10-15-2008, 05:00 AM	#23
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10-15-2008, 07:17 AM	#24
landins13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Baltimore Posts: 986 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	for drifting it sucks for autox its ok for drag racing it sucks, fr parralell parking its awsome. i removed from my s13 after 1 drift day the car kept over steering and sending me towards the walls __________________ NO HANDS IN PANTS!!

10-15-2008, 02:58 PM	#26
TPS240sxS13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Carrollton, Texas Age: 35 Posts: 162 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I own a 93 Super HICAS and I find that its easyer to get the car sideways in a drift, but much harder to keep the car sideways. I mean i'm not the best drifter out there an di am still learning, but thats what I see. As for a HICAS lock I found this one and i am planing on using it. If you have used it before, please let me know your thoughts on it. TOMEI Hicas Lock II Nissan Mechanical & Electrical

10-15-2008, 04:57 PM	#29
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 41 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	God dammit! Why do you people revive 3 year old damn threads? I didn't notice and took the time to write an actual response and now I have to edit it because it is useless. YOU SUCK!

07-05-2019, 11:06 PM	#30
Videlicet Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Washington Age: 23 Posts: 19 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	kicking the ashes Damn this is an ancient thread. Still useful to me though.