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Old 05-17-2018, 12:22 AM   #17671
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Wow great words from both of you. Completely right. I honestly didnt think about any of that when i saw the ad. I just was type x aero & rhd & thought to myself “oh, neat” but what damon said is true, its good for guys who just plan on buying a car and not really doing much. I just wonder how much money it actually costs to import a car & find it/do all the paper work etc. after buying the car. If i ever found that out then i could weigh the options. But yeah you’re just paying for convenience.


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I have to agree. The biggest thing you need to remember is it's a 91 (chuki) car with some kouki aero bits added to it. I always tend to consider what that car would be worth here in the states. Sure, it's a real 180SX, but I dunno... for me it would not be worth spending that kind of money on something imported unless it was a try 96-98 car.
If one is set on keeping the factory aero/options and in no way drifting/racing, a 96-98 makes sense. Otherwise its null since it'll all be changed out or something happens at the track and gets damaged.
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There's little hassle going to an auction (or having employees go) and buying cars for cheap. Also, where does it say they're registered? My experience is with Japanese dealerships. I know for a fact the auctions see these cars go for even less than what I've paid at small dealerships.

In Japan the stock-body zenki 180SX goes for a premium because it's being marketed as a classic here. We're talking completely OEM with low miles, MT, turbo CA.

At the other end of the spectrum the '96+ Type X (OEM spec) cars go for a little less than the 'classic zenki' cars.

The gap in between is where the prices are more reasonable. This car is neither. It's an early model with mileage that's not bad given the year but it's been modified and the aero didn't come on the car from the get-go. The ad even says the aero could be fitted better. The ad also says the red top is the 'most desired' motor for these cars. These may seem like small things but then again, these cars are headed for their bubble and justifying a mark up on a car that's nothing really special is a gateway for the zenki/kouki cars to approach $20k down the line.



I don't know. I saw this posted here after seeing a few other places and I fired off without thinking. The price isn't TERRIBLE if you're looking for a car that hasn't been swapped and came SR'd from the factory. What Damon and I are saying is that it's kind of from the bastard era where it's not a zenki and not a kouki...so why is it fetching that price? I paid less for my '96 Midnight Purple Type X, to put it into perspective. I paid less than half of that for a two-tone Silvia.
Since I spent 3 years over there, here's my 2 cents.1. If one has a hookup to the auctions (not yahoo auctions), this is the way to go. Most shops will charge a fee, some won't even deal with you unless you speak fluent Japanese.2. When I got my 92 180sx w/85k, in 2015, I paid $3850. Little high but I had no car and it met the requirements for me (looked for two months). Nowadays, if I were to look it would be 5-6k easy for the same car. You can find cheaper ones every now and again but they're a needle in a haystack or beat to shit. 3. It would have been nice to pick up a 96-98 and I would have paid a little more but it wouldn't have been 25 years old to bring back.4. I will pay more for the 180sx that came with the sr than a swapped sr 240sx here in the states. I don't want someone else's problems. This is also null if mild/heavy work has been done to the engine.
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If one is set on keeping the factory aero/options and in no way drifting/racing, a 96-98 makes sense. Otherwise its null since it'll all be changed out or something happens at the track and gets damaged.
I don't know how to drift and don't really have the money or desire to try it in my car, but it seems like buying a $10-14k imported 180SX to use as a drift car would be a terrible idea for the reasons you mentioned above- aero and other items will be swapped out, it's going to get wrecked at the track, etc. That's a job much better suited for a 240SX- though I understand their numbers are dwindling. Maybe we are saying the same thing here though.

The only reason I can see someone paying that much for a 180SX is if they intend to leave it alone and keep it as a sort of collector car/cruiser... in which case I personally would want one with the factory aero in place that's specific to the year of the car. I realize not everyone cares about that though- I am a huge nerd.

If that's not why you're buying the car, you're basically buying a super expensive rolling chassis (with a completed SR swap granted which definitely has some value being all original and largely hassle free) that likely still needs suspension work, 5 lug swap, wheels, brakes, intercooler, exhaust, etc to be any fun. It's like starting a build like mine with a USDM 240SX, except you paid $10-14k for the starting point vs a $1500 starting point.

Can you tell I have weighed all of this out repeatedly? I've been tempted to part out my car and pick up one of these imported 180SXs to have the real deal, but it just doesn't make any financial sense when the cars coming over are this expensive and still need so many parts added to them to be cool.
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If that's not why you're buying the car, you're basically buying a super expensive rolling chassis (with a completed SR swap granted which definitely has some value being all original and largely hassle free) that likely still needs suspension work, 5 lug swap, wheels, brakes, intercooler, exhaust, etc to be any fun. It's like starting a build like mine with a USDM 240SX, except you paid $10-14k for the starting point vs a $1500 starting point.



How much do you value rhd then? Just because of that one thing. People are willing to pay a premium for a rolling chassis.

My friend is buying a 300zx this weekend around the same price from them. 50k miles, mostly oem but all he really cares about is the rhd & cleanliness of the car.


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I feel that at the end of the day, its roughly around the same price even if you decide to do it yourself. Give or take $1-3k & a massive headache of finding the car and making sure its even good in the first place without a connect in japan. Rather then just buying it from them.


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How much do you value rhd then? Just because of that one thing. People are willing to pay a premium for a rolling chassis.

My friend is buying a 300zx this weekend around the same price from them. 50k miles, mostly oem but all he really cares about is the rhd & cleanliness of the car.
RHD sounds really cool on paper in the sense that it is a "real" 180SX and that it is what I have tried to emulate for years, but the day to day use case for it would be awful. Toll booths, drive thru lines, making left turns, passing on two lane roads, insurance- all things that sound like a huge hassle when I really think about it. I am sure you could get used to it and many of those things might not be a big deal, but for me I've decided to commit to my USDM chassis.

Navigating NYC in a RHD car seems like it would be a mess, but maybe not! Like you said, different people value different things. I couldn't afford to build what I have on top of a $10-14k imported car so I've got to stick with what I have.

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I feel that at the end of the day, its roughly around the same price even if you decide to do it yourself. Give or take $1-3k & a massive headache of finding the car and making sure its even good in the first place without a connect in japan. Rather then just buying it from them.
There are other importers bringing over 180s for half the price of Japanese Classics. Is the price difference worth it? Hard to say. If you're going to modify or restore the car extensively, going with a cheaper one might make more sense. You can absolutely do it cheaper through other sources, but I understand paying for convenience.
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RHD sounds really cool on paper in the sense that it is a "real" 180SX and that it is what I have tried to emulate for years, but the day to day use case for it would be awful.

Navigating NYC in a RHD car seems like it would be a mess, but maybe not!



There are other importers bringing over 180s for half the price of Japanese Classics. Is the price difference worth it? Hard to say. If you're going to modify or restore the car extensively, going with a cheaper one might make more sense. You can absolutely do it cheaper through other sources, but I understand paying for convenience.

Yea we will see how he deals with it, i personally have never driven in or driven a rhd car so i dont know how drastically different it really is but i finally get to see. We’ll have a video coming out after he owns it for a bit & how it is daily driving one.

But i also didnt know about other cheaper importers. I’ve only ever seen 10-14k for these cars. I personally myself would pay 10-14k for this car with low miles if it was a 96-98 oem type x because i’ve soley put that much money in my car alone just to get it to replicate that. But very sound comments from all of you & good discussion <3




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I don't know how to drift and don't really have the money or desire to try it in my car, but it seems like buying a $10-14k imported 180SX to use as a drift car would be a terrible idea for the reasons you mentioned above- aero and other items will be swapped out, it's going to get wrecked at the track, etc. That's a job much better suited for a 240SX- though I understand their numbers are dwindling. Maybe we are saying the same thing here though.

The only reason I can see someone paying that much for a 180SX is if they intend to leave it alone and keep it as a sort of collector car/cruiser... in which case I personally would want one with the factory aero in place that's specific to the year of the car. I realize not everyone cares about that though- I am a huge nerd.

If that's not why you're buying the car, you're basically buying a super expensive rolling chassis (with a completed SR swap granted which definitely has some value being all original and largely hassle free) that likely still needs suspension work, 5 lug swap, wheels, brakes, intercooler, exhaust, etc to be any fun. It's like starting a build like mine with a USDM 240SX, except you paid $10-14k for the starting point vs a $1500 starting point.


Can you tell I have weighed all of this out repeatedly? I've been tempted to part out my car and pick up one of these imported 180SXs to have the real deal, but it just doesn't make any financial sense when the cars coming over are this expensive and still need so many parts added to them to be cool.
I agree with you for the most part, yes. Clean, non-wrecked 89-93 240sx's pull a premium nowadays. Also sad to say but most owners aren't trust worthy and will hide something major to make the sale.

If it comes down to it, I will pay 8-10k for a 180sx, just to drift it, given my pay allows it. There are other chassis's like the s15 but of course that would cost more. When these chassis are gone, I'll leave the scene.

I don't think a 180sx is worth over 10k but I think the bubble is good for now. Keeps the new/little kids away from wrecking/destroying any of my potential future chassis's haha.</p>
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I feel that at the end of the day, its roughly around the same price even if you decide to do it yourself. Give or take $1-3k & a massive headache of finding the car and making sure its even good in the first place without a connect in japan. Rather then just buying it from them.
Even though I drive good with RHD but I would prefer LHD to RHD in the US to be honest.

Now that I'm back in the states and have a daily driver, my 180sx just sits in the garage and I might take it out maybe once every two weeks. Its not enjoyable, at all, to just "drive." Could be that my car is not setup for comfort though.
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For my .2c in the whole USDM vs JDM pricing. I will get a lot of flack but as far as being RHD I think both USDM and JDM cars cost the same. I think JDM cars as a whole are often a lot cleaner than USDM cars, we dont often have many clean OEMish car popup for sale like type x but ever now and then you see a car stateside that is very well built and maintained. Like that chuki Japanese Classic car, I guarantee now on facebook groups, forums, and craigslist you wont find a car like that clean in a USDM car with simple sr swap and aero plus wheels.

Our thread is a good example, most of us with type x chassis have spent upwards 10k and reaching or past 20k I would guess because finding a nice chassis is anywhere between 2-4k, doing an sr swap or boosting a ka is another 2-4k with sub 300hp max, getting a nice set of wheel without tires is 1-2k then you have authentic aero or rep which is anywhere from 1.2k-2k, then you have seats which is 600 on low end for one seat to a pair of recaros for 1.5k, then exhaust, bolt ons, tune little stuff etc... You get the point and if you look for a similar spec car in japan it will be over 10k all day in japan vs here you will have people try sell for somewhat they put into it and done tasteful would realistic sell with an sr swap for 8-11k MAX. I havent seen an immaculate type x car sell past 11k which was my buddies red type x to some michigan guy who flew down to FL. If you look at schassis swapped sr being sold for 4-7k most of them are junk over here and need another 2-3k to be presentable but as far as the current nature of schassis scene people just dont care and ride the car out till something major breaks or the car is FUBAR because "drift car"

I know my car with the little ol ka built on topmount borg making 400whp with type x aero and bliz would sadly not sell more than 8k even though i've put close to 20k in it over the 3 years ive had it. If I were to get another JDM car it be an FD, seems like they have a bigger crowd of people who are freaks of doing things nice and keeping it OEM with focus on performance. If its another Nissan chassis it be a bone stock s15 for a daily. Im sure when R34 become legal they wont be priced like the R32s we have now for 15-20k
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If one is set on keeping the factory aero/options and in no way drifting/racing, a 96-98 makes sense. Otherwise its null since it'll all be changed out or something happens at the track and gets damaged.Since I spent 3 years over there, here's my 2 cents.

1. If one has a hookup to the auctions (not yahoo auctions), this is the way to go. Most shops will charge a fee, some won't even deal with you unless you speak fluent Japanese.

2. When I got my 92 180sx w/85k, in 2015, I paid $3850. Little high but I had no car and it met the requirements for me (looked for two months). Nowadays, if I were to look it would be 5-6k easy for the same car. You can find cheaper ones every now and again but they're a needle in a haystack or beat to shit.

3. It would have been nice to pick up a 96-98 and I would have paid a little more but it wouldn't have been 25 years old to bring back.

4. I will pay more for the 180sx that came with the sr than a swapped sr 240sx here in the states. I don't want someone else's problems. This is also null if mild/heavy work has been done to the engine.
It's not exclusively Japanese people anymore. Most of the dudes that cater to military or foreign nationals are expats (Canadian, Australian, etc) that have auction licenses. The most 'well known' guy here will take you to the auction with him and he charges a flat $600 fee IF you win the car you want. If not, no harm/no foul. The only stipulation is you have to roll to the auction with enough cash to cover a possible purchase.

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Lame generic Google search.
Dude, I know you're new to this but sometimes the naivety is too much for me. The state or country you're bringing it to, the country the car comes from, how you want it shipped (uncovered or container), and a bunch of other shit factors in. A Google search is just about worthless.

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RHD sounds really cool on paper...
Bingo. I remember the coolest guy in our town had a RHD swapped Subaru. At the time I think it ran him an obscene amount of money. I thought it was cool for about a week because it was different but you get to the point where you ask yourself...why in the fuck is it so cool. It's not.

The bit about OEM nerds and drift nerds is true, too. These companies are selling all their cars at OEM nerd prices. Someone buying their first S13 for $10k+ to drift is going to have a bad time. I spent $5k on my first one and came a few feet from putting it into a drainage ditch. I would've drank bleach if I did that in a car I paid over double $5k for.

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I know my car with the little ol ka built on topmount borg making 400whp with type x aero and bliz would sadly not sell more than 8k even though i've put close to 20k in it over the 3 years ive had it. If I were to get another JDM car it be an FD, seems like they have a bigger crowd of people who are freaks of doing things nice and keeping it OEM with focus on performance. If its another Nissan chassis it be a bone stock s15 for a daily. Im sure when R34 become legal they wont be priced like the R32s we have now for 15-20k
Your bit about car prices is accurate in my opinion. Like Damon said it all depends on what you want. I paid a little over $10k for an all original, one owner, low KM, professionally appraised '96 Midnight Purple Type X. I don't list all those things to wave my dick around. I'm trying to show you what's important to nerds like me. It was worth the money and I haven't regretted it since I took it home. Other people want upgraded parts. Front mount, T28, some suspension arms, etc. for the price I paid. That's fine man...but where they expect to pay more for aftermarket shit I expect to pay more for a car that hasn't been touched and has documents.

FDs seem to cater to an older crowd and I think that's what saves them. The S13 caters to a broader range, and the S15 here seems to cater exclusively to younger dudes. R34s will never be touchable unless you've been spent the last few years blowing up that resale value like CW Unit.

For the record, and this is only my opinion, cars here are definently not cleaner than the US. The only good thing about living in CA was the rust-free S13s. Here in Japan you can bet most cars will have rust somewhere to some degree, and that the car was stored outside. Garages aren't common here. My Type X was coated underneath...another testament to me cashing out any good karma I had left.
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You right, i just wanted an idea. As i had none prior to that of what it even remotely costs. Nor do i know the factors since i never looked into it before.


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There is something about a 180sx that's not slammed that looks super cool to me.
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Really wish I had gotten a picture with my white regas/cr kai before dismounting the tires, but at least got the trust dd on and tucked as high as possible recently
No need. These wheels look great. I'm assuming you're running spacers?

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thats not a 180sx though...
I'm pretty sure the thread title is read two ways:

"Cars with 180SX kouki aero"

"180SX cars with kouki aero"
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Old 05-21-2018, 11:18 PM   #17691
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No need. These wheels look great. I'm assuming you're running spacers?







I'm pretty sure the thread title is read two ways:



"Cars with 180SX kouki aero"



"180SX cars with kouki aero"


I read it the first way, I’ll just find a coupe thread to post in.


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These are the square g33 so they’re 9j with a +15 offset but I do run a 15mm spacer in the front to make them +0 effectively


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