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Old 07-17-2017, 10:49 PM   #1
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Exclamation KA24DE swapping parts...

Hello. So i purchased an s13. And since it lacked an engine, I blindly purchased 3 engines(2 s14 engines, 1 s13) the s13 KA24DE has decent sized holes in both sides of the block... Both s14 engines just need some parts here and there. Ive done research and learned I may have a bad time if the s14 ones are 1996 and up...
I was wondering if anyone tried changing the heads. I really need an engine to pair with my trans.

Could I put an s13 head on an s14 block. Or are there differences. Going to cause issues.
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YES you can use the head.

BUT

Center sprocket bolt USE THE S13 not S14 because you'll strippperrino.

Use s13 valve cover and s13 front timing cover thing as well.
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i have a 98 s14 KA on my s13

as long as you use these s13 ka parts. u will be ok

-Dizzy
-Ecu
-Engine Harness
-coil/ignitor
-Maf

forgot these
-Throttle body
-Temp switch/sensor
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YES you can use the head.

BUT

Center sprocket bolt USE THE S13 not S14 because you'll strippperrino.

Use s13 valve cover and s13 front timing cover thing as well.
Thank you. And im going to steal that from you its catchy
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i have a 98 s14 KA on my s13

as long as you use these s13 ka parts. u will be ok

-Dizzy
-Ecu
-Engine Harness
-coil/ignitor
-Maf

forgot these
-Throttle body
-Temp switch/sensor
I did research and I learned that with the s14 if its 1996 and up you would have to replace just about everything. Thats why i was curious.

Im not sure what a dizzy is,but I have
ECU,s13 Harnesses,I'm not 100% on the coil, and im sure I have the maf
Idk about the throttle body and im not sure about the temp sensor.

Thank you as well. My s13 project will go alot smoothly that yall have informed me of this.
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YES you can use the head.

BUT

Center sprocket bolt USE THE S13 not S14 because you'll strippperrino.

Use s13 valve cover and s13 front timing cover thing as well.
Thank you, I will be stealing stripperino though lol
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I did research and I learned that with the s14 if its 1996 and up you would have to replace just about everything. Thats why i was curious.

Im not sure what a dizzy is,but I have
ECU,s13 Harnesses,I'm not 100% on the coil, and im sure I have the maf
Idk about the throttle body and im not sure about the temp sensor.

Thank you as well. My s13 project will go alot smoothly that yall have informed me of this.
Dizzy is short for distributor. I don;t know if s14 dizzy will work with s13 head but if you're using a s14 ecu & harness; I'd recommend using s14 dizzy because its a plug and play. Not to mention you wont have an external ignition coil. You could run s13 dizzy but you gotta do something with wiring. Vice versa with s13 ecu except don't touch the s14 dizzy because there's no way to make that work afaik.
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What year s13 is this going into?
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What year s13 is this going into?
1991 fastback
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Dizzy is short for distributor. I don;t know if s14 dizzy will work with s13 head but if you're using a s14 ecu & harness; I'd recommend using s14 dizzy because its a plug and play. Not to mention you wont have an external ignition coil. You could run s13 dizzy but you gotta do something with wiring. Vice versa with s13 ecu except don't touch the s14 dizzy because there's no way to make that work afaik.

I mainly have s13 parts. I may have to find a distributor.
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Not to thread jack but here it goes:

Found a KA24DE from a '96 S14 in Craigslist but it's currently installed in an S13.

How much work am I looking at to get it into my '96 S14 assuming he made mods to accommodate the S13?
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Not to thread jack but here it goes:

Found a KA24DE from a '96 S14 in Craigslist but it's currently installed in an S13.

How much work am I looking at to get it into my '96 S14 assuming he made mods to accommodate the S13?
You evil individual, lets get mine settled first but honestly it should just plop in. Given you need the harness and what not for the s14 stuff. And since its 1996 it will have all that obd2 stuff. I heard of people having issues with accessories too. So just keep all that in mind. You may have to buy alot of stuff.
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1991 fastback
The swap should be easy then


Use the s14 KA
-Swap over the Throttle body from the s13KA
-Swap over the s13 Distributor
-Use the s13ka intake and maf
-Swap over the exhaust mani
-Swap over the temp sensor/switch
-use s13 harness *should already be in the bay
-use s13 coil/ignitor

Should run as long as timing is correct
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Not to thread jack but here it goes:

Found a KA24DE from a '96 S14 in Craigslist but it's currently installed in an S13.

How much work am I looking at to get it into my '96 S14 assuming he made mods to accommodate the S13?
I honestly assume it's plug and play as the way to make s14 ka work in s13 ka is just to get a 14 ecu and harness. If you have both the ecu and harness its a linear job. Correct me if I'm wrong
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I honestly assume it's plug and play as the way to make s14 ka work in s13 ka is just to get a 14 ecu and harness. If you have both the ecu and harness its a linear job. Correct me if I'm wrong
Using a s14 ka Harness in a s13 is a nightmare

Will have to do a lot of rewiring. just look up both harnesses and compare
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I know its not completely relevant. but when you torque the idler sprockewt bolt onto the head go for the minimum torque spec of 48ft lbs and id also highly recommend replacing the bolt with a longer one (stock bolt threads in about 6 out 13 threads and strips very esily above 50ftlb)
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I actually have two distributers that came with my purchase of my 89. If those will work
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Hey Spazzy- I picked up a 95 KA, do you have a 96+ KA intake manifold you want to sell?
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Hey Spazzy- I picked up a 95 KA, do you have a 96+ KA intake manifold you want to sell?

I have 3 distributors. 1 is destroyed (s14) ,and the other 2 are s13 idk which one will work better.
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KA gasket solution

Sorry for beating a dead horse. But. From my concerns and to complete this rebuild. Can i just buy whatever gasket/bearing set I want between the 2 engines? Or is that a no no. Ive got almost everything torn down. And kinda know what i wanna use or if i should just end up making my own, or is there an s13/14 set?. Id prefer to buy a kit,And buy some performance (anything headgasket below) so I might not have to deal with those for a while. Im not planning anything performance wise anytime soon. I just want a running driving car so I can daily it.
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Hey Spazzy- I picked up a 95 KA, do you have a 96+ KA intake manifold you want to sell?

I got distracted and thought about distributors. I should have 2 but i cant guarantee that its 96 and up. I do know its s14 parts though.
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bearing yes. gasket sets are a hair different being the headgaskets are different and maybe some other small things.
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bearing yes. gasket sets are a hair different being the headgaskets are different and maybe some other small things.
Ok so in the s14 block use s14 bearings and as for the head gasket i didn't see a difference but comparing 2 used gaskets isnt very much help I suppose. Should i just take some red and black gasket rtv or should I just buy a full set for both and try to do what I can. The engines really dont seem that much different. Im still hoping this wouldnt have been a good idea I had but not to function. If I have to I'll find a full engine but I'd like to go with what I have. Given 90% is the original s13 parts but needing an engine.
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Ok so in the s14 block use s14 bearings and as for the head gasket i didn't see a difference but comparing 2 used gaskets isnt very much help I suppose. Should i just take some red and black gasket rtv or should I just buy a full set for both and try to do what I can. The engines really dont seem that much different. Im still hoping this wouldnt have been a good idea I had but not to function. If I have to I'll find a full engine but I'd like to go with what I have. Given 90% is the original s13 parts but needing an engine.
the big thing is the cylinder heads. i could have sworn the headgaskets were different. they do have 2 different part numbers from nissan
the bearings will be the same the whole bottom end is the same

Idk if the 96-98 throttle bodies are different from a 95 but i used a 95 throttle body and intake manifold in my s13 with s13 harness
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the big thing is the cylinder heads. i could have sworn the headgaskets were different. they do have 2 different part numbers from nissan

The headgaskets ARE different, as the S13 & S14 heads are different.
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Beating a dead horse...I now have a 97 KA with 5spd in my 96 chassis and the f'ing wiring doesn't match up...

If I run a 96 harness will that work?
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Beating a dead horse...I now have a 97 KA with 5spd in my 96 chassis and the f'ing wiring doesn't match up...

If I run a 96 harness will that work?
97-98 are different animals man

im sure you could make that work with some skilled rewiring

but as far as i know the 97-98 use a different dizzy (please correct me if im wrong) so you need the 96 electronics as well with the harness
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I'm seriously beginning to hate this car...FML

Anyone got a 96 engine harness on the cheap??
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