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Old 06-15-2016, 09:18 AM   #1
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JDM Sales....Mods playing favorites?

Hey guise.



I don't mean to be "that dude" but back in March I posted a few JDM cars for sale. These cars were legally imported by me, box 1, 25 year rule, etc....



Instantly all of my threads were deleted and dorkidori_s13 messaged me that I would be banned if I posted grey market cars for sale.



My response:

My cars are not grey market. They are 100% fed legal. Imported under the 25 year rule.

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Doesnt matter, please review the Cars for Sale Marketplace Forum Rules threads stickied at the top of the page in that section.



I sold those cars without any issues on craigslist and Facebook rather quickly. Now I have another shipment of cars coming and I would like to post on Zilvia but I don't want to be banned.

I just want the same treatment as (just a few examples): 4banginn, tm9293, WhiteGLX, dazed



http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=629006

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=628463

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good job, you just got their threads deleted. Snitch.
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Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

Thank you for the report of the Grey Market cars. We do not allow them on the site do to abuse in the past. We can't verify the legitimacy of the claims and users have been scammed in the past. As you pointed out there are many other places to sell your grey market vehicles.

A Grey Market car is any that wasn't originally certified for the US market.
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Hey guise.



I don't mean to be "that dude" but...grey market cars for sale.



....want to be banned.

: 4banginn, tm9293, WhiteGLX, dazed



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http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=628463

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Good job sir. Good luck with your car sales
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Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

Thank you for the report of the Grey Market cars. We do not allow them on the site do to abuse in the past. We can't verify the legitimacy of the claims and users have been scammed in the past. As you pointed out there are many other places to sell your grey market vehicles.

A Grey Market car is any that wasn't originally certified for the US market.
***due to abuse

My intention was not to get anyone's post deleted. I just want to be able to post. I'll post without my company info if that allows my posts to stay up.
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Old 06-15-2016, 09:53 AM   #9
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Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

Thank you for the report of the Grey Market cars. We do not allow them on the site do to abuse in the past. We can't verify the legitimacy of the claims and users have been scammed in the past. As you pointed out there are many other places to sell your grey market vehicles.

A Grey Market car is any that wasn't originally certified for the US market.
I am not gonna do your mod duties for you, but at least be fair:

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=622746
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=631062
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630073
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630229
http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=630234
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My intention was not to get anyone's post deleted. I just want to be able to post. I'll post without my company info if that allows my posts to stay up.
So you want everyone else to play by the rules and now you're trying to circumvent being a paid advertiser for your BUSINESS?
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So you want everyone else to play by the rules and now you're trying to circumvent being a paid advertiser for your BUSINESS?
S14DB said: Yes, if you want to post your company info you need to be an approved advertiser.

So if i don't want to post the info about my company and just sell the cars as everyone else does I should be able to, right?

I think the rule is stupid if it doesn't apply to everyone, which is the purpose of this thread
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^ I think it's stupid you don't want to post your companies info... Red flag right there
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^ I think it's stupid you don't want to post your companies info... Red flag right there
its a catch 22. if i post my company info i get deleted. if i dont post it you saying its a red flag. also in my original post i did put my company info, it got deleted by the Mod.
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I clicked on two of those recent links, people selling personal cars. Not a business trying to make a buck. Stop being so butt hurt and pay the fees
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I clicked on two of those recent links, people selling personal cars. Not a business trying to make a buck. Stop being so butt hurt and pay the fees
you are missing the point tho. according to dorkidori_s13:

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As per our forum rules, DO NOT SELL GREY MARKET CARS WITHOUT BEING AN AUTHORIZED VENDOR!

If I see you posting anymore grey market cars, I will permaban you from the marketplace.


THUS THOSE "PERSONAL" CARS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE SOLD. Forum rule if not advertiser, then no grey market sale. The rule is clearly not being enforced site wide and I am bringing that to the public attention
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Okay.....

Is that not what the mod just fixed by deleting those other sales?
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Okay.....

Is that not what the mod just fixed by deleting those other sales?
Wouldn't a better fix be to just allow the sales of JDM cars by everyone?
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Wouldn't a better fix be to just allow the sales of JDM cars by everyone?
no, due to shady shit happening in the past.

bottom line, you wanna sell as a dealer, pay the fee to be an advertiser.
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no, due to shady shit happening in the past.

bottom line, you wanna sell as a dealer, pay the fee to be an advertiser.
fine lets go with this idea. you propose that if I want to sell JDM cars I have to be an advertiser. according to timandytimandy personal cars should be allowed to stay. so what stops a dealer or importer from saying the cars are personal cars?
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You just want to agrue with people huh? Pound sand and pay the fees. Stop dragging other people's stuff into your hissy fit.
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Wouldn't a better fix be to just allow the sales of JDM cars by everyone?
That was the worst time as private sellers didn't know the rules and lost their paperwork most of time. There is less responsibility on the seller and more difficulty for the buyer to get restitution if things go south.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115

The approved vendors have guaranteed that their cars are federally legal and will stand behind the paperwork.
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That was the worst time as private sellers didn't know the rules and lost their paperwork most of time. There is less responsibility on the seller and more difficulty for the buyer to get restitution if things go south.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115

The approved vendors have guaranteed that their cars are federally legal and will stand behind the paperwork.
That's great that they guarantee their cars. Either delete all JDM cars not posted by them or delete none. Choice is yours. Keep some fairness to the forum

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How about you stop snitching. You're not helping your cause by doing that. You're still not allowed to sell your car here (which, by your first post, is your ultimate goal). The only thing you're doing is raining on everyone else's parade just because YOU can't do the thing that YOU want to do. If you want to fight the good fight, it shouldn't involve bringing down other forum members. That's a very immature way to do things.

Furthermore, according to your profile, you've been on this Earth for 28 years. I don't know how long you've been in America, but why haven't you yet learned that life isn't fair? It does not seem that you can be successful, long term, if you're always chasing "fairness", by bringing down others.

Lastly, if you sold your cars quickly, elsewhere, why are you so invested in selling your cars here? I get the idea of more exposure, but if you have a system that works, why are you actively trying to buck that system? Sure, it's not costing you any money, currently, but it's sure as sh1t taking up more time than it should.

If you do the right thing and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing, I'm sure everything will work out for you. I say that, because right now, YOU don't want to do the right thing and you're trying to police everyone else who's getting away with it. Seems like a less than reputable business practice..especially when you're actively and openly promoting it.
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Lol this is a private forum. wtf




If your a real business pay the damn fee like a real business. You wouldn't call a radio station and complain that they do call-ins from listeners and that you should be allowed to call in and start endorsing your product. Oh... wait... thats exactly what you're trying to do here.
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Ok, so my thread got deleted without any notification, that's pretty unprofessional imo.

25 year old car is a 25 year old car. If it's a personal/private sale I don't see the issue. There's been plenty of people selling cars that fall into that category for awhile now without any issues.

All of a sudden OP makes this thread and everyones personal FS threads get deleted without warning? What's up with that?

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• Grey market cars imported directly thru Japanese Classics (Registered Advertiser).

• Grey market cars imported directly thru MotorEX.
The only 25 year old RHD cars that can be sold on here have to be one of those? That's BS. If it's federally legal and not a commercial sale I see no problems.
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Someone is making waves. Sounds like there is more to be brought out in the wash.

Not to stoke the fire, but wouldn't a 25yr old car fall into a different category than "grey market" now that it is legal to import them?
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That was the worst time as private sellers didn't know the rules and lost their paperwork most of time. There is less responsibility on the seller and more difficulty for the buyer to get restitution if things go south.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=555115

The approved vendors have guaranteed that their cars are federally legal and will stand behind the paperwork.

I bought a JDM car from an approved vendor and no car ever showed up. He also stole from 3 other members for more than $80k...but we all know that thread was deleted and the motherfucker still sells in the vendor classifieds under a different name...so what are you guaranteeing? Can I quote that next time I talk to my lawyer as I'm still fighting this 3 years later to collect the rest of my money?
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.........The OP has a very valid point IMHO and people who break the rules and complain when they get caught shouldn't have broken the rules to begin with (in regards to this site). A lack of moderation does not make it "OK"........

It's analogous to getting caught street drifting and one guy gets caught. Both parties are still in the wrong, it's just someone got caught and spill the beans on the rest of the bunch lol. It doesn't make it more right........

Hosmer, I read your thread and this brings up a valid point. It's very clear paying for forum advertisement rights does not automatically equate to being a proper seller. There should be no gray (excuse the pun) area when selling grey market cars according to the rules.......
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