Bavarian Motor Works

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by vanish1

I dont think people who can afford a $140,000 automobile necessarily worry about the price of something breaking on the car.

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They care very much, trust me.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

They care very much, trust me.

first off, dont take what I said out of context, its already generalized to begin with

second, no.

man walks into bmw dealership

'hello I bent a wheel on my i8'

'ok sir lemme look up how much it would cost to replace, so its $1000 for the new wheel'

'nah man thats way too much, imma go look on rockauto and ebay, put some rotas on it, peace'

this scenario will never happen.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...62&hg=36&fg=15

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by vanish1

first off, dont take what I said out of context, its already generalized to begin with

second, no.

man walks into bmw dealership

'hello I bent a wheel on my i8'

'ok sir lemme look up how much it would cost to replace, so its $1000 for the new wheel'

'nah man thats way too much, imma go look on rockauto and ebay, put some rotas on it, peace'

this scenario will never happen.

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.d...62&hg=36&fg=15

That scenario is bullshit and you know it.

The i8 owner would just have insurance cover it. Trust me, if the i8 had the car in the shop every other week, they would be screaming.

Just people people have "more money" doesn't mean they enjoy spending and bring inconvenienced more than people without money.

That stupid logic can just as easily apply to 240sx owners vs FRS owners you think someone that can flip 30 large on a car goes to the dealership an when told its $300 to fix their noisy fuel injector pump they be all "fuck that, crickets give it character"

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

That scenario is bullshit and you know it.

The i8 owner would just have insurance cover it. Trust me, if the i8 had the car in the shop every other week, they would be screaming.

Just people people have "more money" doesn't mean they enjoy spending and bring inconvenienced more than people without money.

That stupid logic can just as easily apply to 240sx owners vs FRS owners you think someone that can flip 30 large on a car goes to the dealership an when told its $300 to fix their noisy fuel injector pump they be all "fuck that, crickets give it character"

lawls stop taking what I say out of context, youre just repeating my original statement.

what youre talking about are lemon cars, what I am talking about is completely different.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by vanish1

I dont think people who can afford a $140,000 automobile necessarily worry about the price of something breaking on the car.

its one thing if the auto is a lemon, but if you gotta replace one of the CF wheels or a busted laser headlight oh well! play to pay

http://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=910976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwKdQQ5WOXA

chris harris does a cool review on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5I6xuhNgVg

car is drop dead beautiful, very futuristic looking, amazing that you can have a german sports car with a pure ev mode.

I don't care how much money anyone has. No one wants to be stranded on the road in a $140,000 car with questionable reliability & then have to leave it in the shop for a week or so while speciality parts are on order. Not saying that will certainly happen to the i8, but like most modern BMW's and Benz's, there is a very short limit on how much I'd trust that car outside of it's factory warranty. You got Hydrid tech, turbo tech, KERS, paddleshifters & AWD. That is too much shit going on for me. I love how it looks, but I predict it'll end up exactly like the old 8 series: revered from a far, but far to costly to most to maintain. They'll flood the secondhand market as 1st owners dump them and be as rare as unicorns to be seen driving within 10 years.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I don't care how much money anyone has. No one wants to be stranded on the road in a $140,000 car with questionable reliability & then have to leave it in the shop for a week or so while speciality parts are on order. Not saying that will certainly happen to the i8, but like most modern BMW's and Benz's, there is a very short limit on how much I'd trust that car outside of it's factory warranty. You got Hydrid tech, turbo tech, KERS, paddleshifters & AWD. That is too much shit going on for me. I love how it looks, but I predict it'll end up exactly like the old 8 series: revered from a far, but far to costly to most to maintain. They'll flood the secondhand market as 1st owners dump them and be as rare as unicorns to be seen driving within 10 years.

agreed if a car is a lemon its a lemon. Early adopters should inherently know the risks theyre getting into regarding a brand new car w/ brand new technology.

for example the people who have teslas that caught on fire, it would be more of a surprise if there wasnt any hiccups with first gen new technology.

so yes time will tell albeit were talking about a car whose production numbers are in the hundreds, with 1500-2000 units sold being the projected sales target. There is already a 10-12 month waiting list for it, all the 2015 units have been spoken for in the US.


and speakin of the 8 series, they are apparently a pain to work on but can be sooo cleannn.

850csi w/ the s70b56 6 speed tranny, same motor (different head?) found in the mclaren f1

[kingkilburn]

Trust me.

Literally the worst argument for anything ever.




The I8 isn't this so I don't care. It's also not the car anyone that cares about cars asked for. It should have been the bleeding edge of chassis engineering and a midengine mounted NA German V12 or TT flatplane V8.

[KA24DESOneThree]

The i8 is something that showed BMW's audacity to make a technological showcase that works, and is a symbol of large-scale lightweight and sustainable manufacturing. It may not be at the bleeding edge of handling and power, but it's at the bleeding edge of technology.

It's not a very good car. It's not a hypercar, it can't go around the 'Ring in less than 8 minutes. It is a car for people who like owning a special car but who aren't enthusiasts- and for that, it's fantastic. It reduces BMW's overall CO2 numbers and allows them to refine that particular side of their business.

Sustainable cars are extremely important to us enthusiasts. The more of them there are, the less heat is on us to live within the new parameters. The more of them, the longer the performance car has to live.

With the BRICS countries growing and consuming more and more, we need to reconsider our everyday cars because we all know that our governments will enact more legislation and our voices are ever-diminishing. The i8 brings drama to the world of Priuses, Camry Hybrids, and Sonata Hybrids.

The i8 and i3 also are reducing the cost of large-scale carbon fiber production. That by itself is exciting news.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The i8 and i3 also are reducing the cost of large-scale carbon fiber production. That by itself is exciting news.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/10/15/r...ts-90-percent/

http://autoblog.search.aol.com/searc...it=header_form

+1 bmw has been a serious proponent of cf usage and making it more mainstream.

I've had the chance to sit in an i3 and the way bmw approached the whole car you can touch, see, feel how the car is geared toward environmental sustainability.

http://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-i3-is-of...ery-1462999376

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The i8 is something that showed BMW's audacity to make a technological showcase that works, and is a symbol of large-scale lightweight and sustainable manufacturing. It may not be at the bleeding edge of handling and power, but it's at the bleeding edge of technology.

It's not a very good car. It's not a hypercar, it can't go around the 'Ring in less than 8 minutes. It is a car for people who like owning a special car but who aren't enthusiasts- and for that, it's fantastic. It reduces BMW's overall CO2 numbers and allows them to refine that particular side of their business.

Sustainable cars are extremely important to us enthusiasts. The more of them there are, the less heat is on us to live within the new parameters. The more of them, the longer the performance car has to live.

With the BRICS countries growing and consuming more and more, we need to reconsider our everyday cars because we all know that our governments will enact more legislation and our voices are ever-diminishing. The i8 brings drama to the world of Priuses, Camry Hybrids, and Sonata Hybrids.

The i8 and i3 also are reducing the cost of large-scale carbon fiber production. That by itself is exciting news.

These are actually very insightful points and hold a lot of truth for us as enthusiasts.


I was having a discussion about the very fact that few car companies these days are even focusing on going racing.
Literally this ties in, a lot of the current generation does not look at cars in a sporting way.
They are people movers to these people and in that point the people are more concerned with the carbon footprint and effiency. The car companies in general do not try to change that with factory back teams in motorsports.

If we cannot accept and meld the smaller carbon footprint ideas with sporting? Sports cars are all but doomed to a ever shrinking market and interest.
When that happens manufacturers get gun shy on even producing sports cars( ya I am pointing the finger at you Nissan.)

[vanish1]

[e30gangsta]

Heres my bucket.

[vanish1]

^looks good, what motor?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by vanish1

^looks good, what motor?

BMW motor....

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

BMW motor....

pardon|?.,.

[kingkilburn]

I don't have a large carbon footprint. My car doesn't have a large carbon footprint. The shipping company that moved my car from the factory that made it to the dealer that sold it to me has a massive goddam footprint. The power plant that probably burns coal that supplied electricity to the facotry has a massive goddam footprint.

Cars have some impact on carbon and air quality and that could be fixed today with the right regulation changes. Those container ships the size of small farm towns have a much larger impact. Until those things run on anything other than hydrocarbons making cars cleaner doesn't mean much of anything.


Beyond that, the march of technology in cars should be discrete not a bunch of bells and whistles to attract attention. Who really wants a bunch of buttons, joysticks, and touch screens in their car? No one that should be driving, that's who.

We need dry steam injection, hydrogen combustion, and fullsize trucks made of carbon fiber and aluminum, and probably self driving electric cars for the masses.

[bataangpinoy]

My other car is an e30 touring(never sold here in the US) with an s14b23 in it. I havent driven it in months though.

When i first started driving it in 2010:











Did the e30 M3 Cooling System Retrofit (M3 rad, expansion tank, moved battery to the trunk.


Put wheels on it
http://wsvaco.tumblr.com/post/977974...vthy-how#notes

[vanish1]

^car looks good, very interesting combo going s14 and the e30 hatch.

e30 hatches are cool, do like a s54 with ix drivetrain, got urself a bavarian subie.

e36 hatch is another one we never got here, the 1 series e8x hatch looks really good damn shame we didnt get it here.

[simmode1]

Whats the difference between an e36 hatch and a 318ti?

[e30gangsta]

Very nice touring. And vanish fully built m20 soon to be itb.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Whats the difference between an e36 hatch and a 318ti?

sorry I should have clarified, touring is the more accurate description in regards to the e36.

this:



and then the vandersex that is the 1 series hatch

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by e30gangsta

And vanish fully built m20 soon to be itb.

oooowow that sounds like it will be a hoot. My buddy is a big m20 guy (me as well) he just traded his e34 525i for an e28 w/ a m20b25 swapped into it.

[e30gangsta]

Originally Posted by vanish1

oooowow that sounds like it will be a hoot. My buddy is a big m20 guy (me as well) he just traded his e34 525i for an e28 w/ a m20b25 swapped into it.

Funny that your a local. You should check out john at wot tech they just finished a very nice itb m20 car.

[bataangpinoy]

Originally Posted by vanish1

^car looks good, very interesting combo going s14 and the e30 hatch.

e30 hatches are cool, do like a s54 with ix drivetrain, got urself a bavarian subie.

e36 hatch is another one we never got here, the 1 series e8x hatch looks really good damn shame we didnt get it here.

Its basically impossible. the IX transfercase MIGHT fit a US s5X but not an s54. As far as picking the s14b23, I wanted a useable RWD platform; its just bushings and a set of K&W's away from being my daily HPDE car. If I wanted a subaru, I would have bought one lol

I have had m20's as well, I'm just sick of beating myself up over all the money just to have a slow car.
This was my old e30; it was an s50 away from being a fairly quick car, but I sold it to start college.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by e30gangsta

Funny that your a local. You should check out john at wot tech they just finished a very nice itb m20 car.

I saw the vid and pics of the setup, looks clean. Wheres a vid of that M/S5x itb setup I see on their site.

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

Its basically impossible. the IX transfercase MIGHT fit a US s5X but not an s54. As far as picking the s14b23, I wanted a useable RWD platform; its just bushings and a set of K&W's away from being my daily HPDE car. If I wanted a subaru, I would have bought one lol

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...325iX-S54-Swap

no s$#@ if you wanted to buy a subie then buy a subie, ty captain obvious.

Ill take the german version.

[bataangpinoy]

well shit, look at all the fab work he is doing!! I suck at aluminum, I move too slow and can't get my torch angle right around bends/pipes. Imagine having to PAY someone to do it!!

Well OBV if you use the IX g260 it will mate up, but the gearing is kinda short.

[vanish1]

yeah its a bit on the extreme side

one setup that would be cool is an e38 w/ protection package lsx swap, BREAK YOSELF FOOL

[bataangpinoy]

I want to do an LS6 into an 850CSI

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

I want to do an LS6 into an 850CSI

I want to do one too.

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by S14DB

I want to do one too.

Funny, i have had that idea for many years now. I Always thought it was the sexiest BMW ever I wanted to get ahold of one and do a crazy engine swap, but I would go with something exotic sounding, maybe the S85 engine.
and I would definitley "ruin" it buy stancing it out like everything else I have haha.