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10-16-2014, 08:45 AM | #1 |
SR20DET on Garret or BorgWarner
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I have a S14 SER20DET with a gt2871r on 98unleaded has this numbers; 3000rpm 143hp 4000rpm 268hp 5000rpm 330hp 6000rpm 365hp 7000rpm 376hp max 1.4bar of boost. The life of my gt28r is coming to end and i want to upgrade on the new turbo. I don't want to go over 540hp and be happy to be in between 520-540hp. I also would like to improve on the low and middle range of my numbers. I'm considering several turbos from Garret and BorgWarner; GTX3071r, GTX3076r EFR7163, EFR7670 I have read a lot of posts about these turbos but none focused on the SR20DET, that's why i'm opening this thread to get help from the community. Hope to hear your ideas! thks! Bruno Last edited by vox; 10-19-2014 at 10:37 AM.. |
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10-16-2014, 03:51 PM | #2 |
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If you want less lag it seems like the best choice would be the GTX3071 being that from what I've read. The GT3071r is a very popular turbo among the SR20det crowd for being the higher end lesser lag turbo above the GT2871.
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10-16-2014, 08:39 PM | #4 |
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You're going to have to sacrifice something here. You will not have better spool and higher power, it's the nature of the beast. Either something that spools quick and can make decent power or something slightly slower to spool but has the head room you want.
The GTX3071R is capable of 500hp, what's 25 more?
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GTX3071. Response > Power. I am going GTX3076 for my 500hp SR build, but i plan on a VVL build down the road so i am leaving my self room to grow with the turbo. With a twinscroll setup, transient response should be decent even though full boost won't hit until at least 4500.
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10-17-2014, 12:39 AM | #6 |
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Chuck the Garretts in a bin and swap a Borg warner EFR. They cost more, but you also get a whole lot more. More top end, more low end. The Garretts are tried and true, but they are dated. I have a 6258 on my SR20 and I love it.
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Hi Motary thats the other idea regarding EFRs vs GPS im starting to get! And maibe with a EFRs i can keep or even improve the low and mid range and also get to 520~
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100% Agreed. The new EFR's dominate in spool (particularly transient respone) and power to their similarly sized Garrett counterparts.
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10-19-2014, 06:30 AM | #14 |
Hi Poormans180sx
That is the main discution... Gtx are in the market for a long time know... EFRs are showing great results but can they supperseed the Gtx? About the efr7163 i can believe it spool fast but deliver bigger power output that the gtx or give 540hp~ i can not. Hi tokyowheels4real gt just cannot make it against gtx... |
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10-19-2014, 08:40 AM | #16 |
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No. They require quite a bit of work to install.
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Rated at 60lbs/min, I can see it producing 540 bhp. I am curious about the actual response of the 7163 compared to the 3076, and I mean a dyno graph comparison rather than seat of the pants. In theory, yes the 7163 is a better match but I don't see why Garrett would continue to produce the 30r if it was such a bad pairing.
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I've been in 3071 and 3076 cars, neither impressed me. A $600 HX35 has better response IMO. I'm sure a twin-scroll 7163 dyno will come around soon enough, but I guarantee it will dominate a 3076 in spool and transient response. As a rough example, the twin-scroll 62mm S300sx (a MUCH larger BW) reaches full boost at 4000rpm on my bosses 2.0liter EVO in a 1.10 housing. The 3076 is a dinosaur, even with the fancy GTX wheel. BW also likes to under-rate their turbos IMO.
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I love Apple and Oranges comparisons. This is not about brands of turbos. It's about picking the right wheel sizes for your application.
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http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo...-gtx3576r.html The 3071R isn't much better. I always forget there is a GTX3067R, which is actually a good turbo. However, the OP is talking about 50+lb/min top mount turbos, and there isn't a turbo in the category that will spool faster or have better response than a twin-scroll 7163. So my first vote is an EFR 7163 with .92 T4 divided housing Second would be a GTX3576R with a 1.06 T4 divided housing if you want more power than the 7163 can make.
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If i ditch my pte5858 ar.82 in going efr7163
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the gtx was t3 and the efr t4 if i remember right ... the flange on the manifold is the only thing that change on the sr20vet !
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Hoping theres more info now on these turbos now that theyve been out for a year?
Deciding on a BorgWarner EFR turbo around the same range as OP. Planning to purchase sometime this month once I have done enough research and pick the right turbo for me. I could care less about top hp, the pull between 3-4k is what really appeals to me. |
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I'm leaning towards a BW 7163 twinscroll setup but not sure yet |
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