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*godrifttoday* · 09-23-2009, 02:34 PM

when do you really need tubes in the front to fit large wheel? im planing on putting 17x8 in the fronts and getting the arms done on the knuckle for the tie rods for more turning radius, should i worry about it? or leave it stock?

example of what im talking about

from : onepuff

*xpertsnowcarver* · 09-23-2009, 02:46 PM

Not necessarily. I have 17x8 w/ 225/40-17 and a simple wire tuck sufficed.

IIIXziuR · 09-23-2009, 03:00 PM

You only really need tubs when you are running BIG wheels.
You don't need to worry about it if you are running such small sizes

*godrifttoday* · 09-23-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by IIIXziuR

You don't need to worry about it if you are running such small sizes

lol............, thanks

ILoveJDM · 09-23-2009, 03:12 PM

just to give you an idea

18x10ish or bigger in the front will hit the inside pretty bad.

and as always, there are other factors, such as offset and tire size.

*godrifttoday* · 09-23-2009, 05:58 PM

ok thanks!

*godrifttoday* · 09-23-2009, 07:33 PM

what about 17x9?

*GSXRJJordan* · 09-23-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by godrifttoday

what about 17x9?

Depends on offset, as well as tire size.

Lower offset makes it more likely to rub on the outside of the wheel well (closer to the fender), where it's harder to bang in. Higher offset brings the trouble spot further in, where you have a little more play in the metal, and might be able to bang it in to clear. This is all in the front, btw, since that's where people have most of their problems.

In the back, you can try hammering in the seam, or cut it off completely and weld the sheets together.

I was running 17x8.5 +20 with 235/40/17 Dunlop Z1 Star Specs on my S14 and rubbed like crazy, even after banging it in a bit with a hammer. Part of this is because I was pretty low and ran a bunch of caster (which moves the wheel to the front of the wheel well).

Now I run 18x10 +0 with 245/40/18 Z1 Star Specs and yes, I needed my tubs to clear the front and the seam to be cut off completely to clear the back.

g6civcx · 09-23-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by godrifttoday

when do you really need tubes in the front to fit large wheel?

When you start hitting the frame.

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Originally Posted by godrifttoday

im planing on putting 17x8 in the fronts

Asked and answered above.

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Originally Posted by godrifttoday

getting the arms done on the knuckle for the tie rods for more turning radius

This may give you issue with the wheels hitting the frame rail, especially on the front right US-passenger side frame rail.

If you're lucky, you can just shave out a small bit. If it's drastic, you'll have to notch out the metal, or cut it into little pieces and fold the pieces back on itself.

*Om1kron* · 09-23-2009, 11:29 PM

if you're running anything bigger than a 15x7 -0 offset then you will need some big tubs, like huge.

*karl wasabi* · 09-23-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Om1kron

if you're running anything bigger than a 15x7 -0 offset then you will need some big tubs, like huge.

I would cut out my whole front end with a 15x8 0...

*GSXRJJordan* · 09-24-2009, 12:09 AM

Whoa Matt's latest round of work looks good! He totally went BRogers status with those 'tubs' lol.

g6civcx · 09-24-2009, 10:54 AM

You can see it in this picture. This is with Tein tie rods. Even with stock wheels, there is still rubbing. You can slice off that part, or cut and tuck like I did.

*S14_Kouki* · 09-24-2009, 11:29 AM

17x9 +15 mine rubs I need tubs and my wires are ziptied very well up there

usdm180sx · 09-24-2009, 11:29 AM

I hammered mine the other way (downwards) so the lip won't be in the way

*godrifttoday* · 09-24-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by karl wasabi

I would cut out my whole front end with a 15x8 0...

i rather just do that lol ,what about the structual integrety? even though the section that is missing is just sheet metal, i bought a 240 for $100 so no big deal lol thanks for the answers!

*GSXRJJordan* · 09-24-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

You can see it in this picture. This is with Tein tie rods. Even with stock wheels, there is still rubbing. You can slice off that part, or cut and tuck like I did.

Look at that rust! LOLvirginia.

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Originally Posted by godrifttoday

i rather just do that lol ,what about the structual integrety? even though the section that is missing is just sheet metal, i bought a 240 for $100 so no big deal lol thanks for the answers!

Anything ahead of the strut towers is just a bonus... that car's fully caged, and the strut towers are triangulated (left and right by the strut tower bar bar and the rad support cross-bar, and up and down by the rad support bar's vertical supports which go to the tension rod brace), so I can't imagine a substantial difference in driving.

What IS different is the amount of crap that will coat everything inside your engine, and what happens when you crash into something - fully welded front fender wells should help absorb some impact and keep your front end salvageable, but who knows ~

g6civcx · 09-24-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Look at that rust! LOLvirginia.

It's just surface rust from road salt and moisture. Overall this frame is in pretty good shape compared some to some of the other ones I've seen.

*godrifttoday* · 09-25-2009, 12:16 AM

any more pic of the green car?

*GSXRJJordan* · 09-25-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

It's just surface rust from road salt and moisture. Overall this frame is in pretty good shape compared some to some of the other ones I've seen.

Haha, I can see it's just surface stuff, that's why I'm messin with ya

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any more pic of the green car?

Look up "Matt Powers" or "Westslide Connection", their San Diego team. He and Tommy Roberts are dope drivers, almost always pictured together.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 09-27-2009, 09:16 AM

Wait, I might have missed it but what chassis?!?! S14 has more room than S13s. Easier to do 10Js on S14s that on S13s.

Lasty, I never understood the point of tubbing the front when you have more issue with the back. You'd rub on the back side that anything else, you cant really tub it, all you can do is fix it with a BMFH...

HYPNOTIK · 09-27-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Lasty, I never understood the point of tubbing the front when you have more issue with the back. You'd rub on the back side that anything else, you cant really tub it, all you can do is fix it with a BMFH...

If you're running alot of caster then the back isn't an issue anymore. I'm rubbing slightly on the front but I've never hit on the back. I'm running 17x9 +12 with 215/45 star specs.

*GSXRJJordan* · 09-27-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Lasty, I never understood the point of tubbing the front when you have more issue with the back. You'd rub on the back side that anything else, you cant really tub it, all you can do is fix it with a BMFH...

Everybody says that, but I never rubbed in the back running 6* of caster (OEM is like 6.8* or something) - it moves the wheel way forward in the well, which is why I was rubbing bad in the front. Anyway, new alignment = wheel centered in the well.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 09-28-2009, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Everybody says that, but I never rubbed in the back running 6* of caster (OEM is like 6.8* or something) - it moves the wheel way forward in the well, which is why I was rubbing bad in the front. Anyway, new alignment = wheel centered in the well.

Well, on my S14 kouki in the states, I was running 17x10 +4 (8mm spacer to clear MR coilovers) offset wrapped on 235/40 17s slammed down. Caster was stock, shit would rub the bottom of the rubber grommet for on the wire harness. Beat the back side that I've never had any issue after that. All this under stock fenders...

*GSXRJJordan* · 09-28-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Well, on my S14 kouki in the states, I was running 17x10 +4 (8mm spacer to clear MR coilovers) offset wrapped on 235/40 17s slammed down. Caster was stock, shit would rub the bottom of the rubber grommet for on the wire harness. Beat the back side that I've never had any issue after that. All this under stock fenders...

Impressive!

I rubbed the grommet too, but this is what I found in the front after wondering why I was understeering at full lock:

... and that's after pounding it in :/

95KA-Turbo · 09-28-2009, 08:22 AM

Hit it more! I am running a 17X10 +7 up front with a 245/40 and it rubs on everything - including the top of the wheel well. I beat the hell out of everything again, but I need to just take my fenders off and wail on all of that crap when I do put the tubs up front.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 09-29-2009, 08:20 AM

Hmm...I did kinda rubbed up front a bit, but who cares...didnt affect anything and wasnt worried about the tires getting shredded on something smooth.

*godrifttoday* · 10-01-2009, 12:59 AM

i need to re consider and get wider rims lol

huffandpuff00 · 10-23-2009, 01:38 AM

what about on the top of the wheel well, does anyone rub from being to low?
18x10.5 +15
235 40 18

*fliprayzin240sx* · 10-23-2009, 02:19 AM

S13s suck clearance wise compared to S14s. You have to beat the living crap out of S13 wheel wells to clear that rim. Then you guys still have that metal tab thats right on top of the wheel well that likes to chew the shit out of tires no matter how much you flatten that SOB.

09-23-2009, 02:34 PM	#1
godrifttoday Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 313 Trader Rating: (8)	when do you really need tubes in the front to fit large wheel? when do you really need tubes in the front to fit large wheel? im planing on putting 17x8 in the fronts and getting the arms done on the knuckle for the tie rods for more turning radius, should i worry about it? or leave it stock? example of what im talking about from : onepuff

09-23-2009, 02:46 PM	#2
xpertsnowcarver 雪彫刻専家 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: LA Posts: 1,171 Trader Rating: (17)	Not necessarily. I have 17x8 w/ 225/40-17 and a simple wire tuck sufficed. __________________ *- '91 AUTECH SPEC-S* Check out my Build Thread!

09-23-2009, 03:00 PM	#3
IIIXziuR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: I </3 NJ Age: 24 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (9)	You only really need tubs when you are running BIG wheels. You don't need to worry about it if you are running such small sizes __________________ OhTheIrony.biz

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Om1kron Violent Running Asshole Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: fontana, ca Age: 29 Posts: 3,364 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: Om1kron	if you're running anything bigger than a 15x7 -0 offset then you will need some big tubs, like huge. __________________ Wayne T. Edwards Violent Running Tribe News Blog <---Peep This

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GSXRJJordan [JEFE S14] Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 7,170 Trader Rating: (14) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan	Whoa Matt's latest round of work looks good! He totally went BRogers status with those 'tubs' lol. __________________ TEAM SUSPECT is alive. www.JordanInnovations.com*

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09-23-2009, 03:12 PM	#5
ILoveJDM Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada! Posts: 473 Trader Rating: (13)	just to give you an idea 18x10ish or bigger in the front will hit the inside pretty bad. and as always, there are other factors, such as offset and tire size.

09-23-2009, 05:58 PM	#6
godrifttoday Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 313 Trader Rating: (8)	ok thanks!

09-23-2009, 07:33 PM	#7
godrifttoday Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 313 Trader Rating: (8)	what about 17x9?

09-24-2009, 10:54 AM	#13
g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 4,981 Trader Rating: (4)	You can see it in this picture. This is with Tein tie rods. Even with stock wheels, there is still rubbing. You can slice off that part, or cut and tuck like I did.

09-24-2009, 11:29 AM	#14
S14_Kouki VIPremium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TPA Posts: 1,453 Trader Rating: (0)	17x9 +15 mine rubs I need tubs and my wires are ziptied very well up there __________________ http://www.fabthis.com http://www.childhoodproductions.com/dbfab/store.html

09-24-2009, 11:29 AM	#15
usdm180sx Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 562/310/626/323/213/818 Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: usdm180sx	I hammered mine the other way (downwards) so the lip won't be in the way __________________ -Norm! http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../koukisig2.jpg

09-25-2009, 12:16 AM	#19
godrifttoday Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 313 Trader Rating: (8)	any more pic of the green car?

09-27-2009, 09:16 AM	#21
fliprayzin240sx SLINKY + ESCULATOR = Fun Times Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ass Crack of Japan Posts: 8,413 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx	Wait, I might have missed it but what chassis?!?! S14 has more room than S13s. Easier to do 10Js on S14s that on S13s. Lasty, I never understood the point of tubbing the front when you have more issue with the back. You'd rub on the back side that anything else, you cant really tub it, all you can do is fix it with a BMFH... __________________

09-28-2009, 08:22 AM	#26
95KA-Turbo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: VA Age: 24 Posts: 1,092 Trader Rating: (10)	Hit it more! I am running a 17X10 +7 up front with a 245/40 and it rubs on everything - including the top of the wheel well. I beat the hell out of everything again, but I need to just take my fenders off and wail on all of that crap when I do put the tubs up front. __________________ My Blog - knoop.sumospeed.com

09-29-2009, 08:20 AM	#27
fliprayzin240sx SLINKY + ESCULATOR = Fun Times Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ass Crack of Japan Posts: 8,413 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx	Hmm...I did kinda rubbed up front a bit, but who cares...didnt affect anything and wasnt worried about the tires getting shredded on something smooth. __________________

10-01-2009, 12:59 AM	#28
godrifttoday Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 313 Trader Rating: (8)	i need to re consider and get wider rims lol

10-23-2009, 01:38 AM	#29
huffandpuff00 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: oregon Age: 23 Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0)	what about on the top of the wheel well, does anyone rub from being to low? 18x10.5 +15 235 40 18 __________________ R.I.P. "http://pinkcoupe.blogspot.com"

10-23-2009, 02:19 AM	#30
fliprayzin240sx SLINKY + ESCULATOR = Fun Times Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ass Crack of Japan Posts: 8,413 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx	S13s suck clearance wise compared to S14s. You have to beat the living crap out of S13 wheel wells to clear that rim. Then you guys still have that metal tab thats right on top of the wheel well that likes to chew the shit out of tires no matter how much you flatten that SOB. __________________

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