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Kevin@DriveLine · 06-25-2009, 04:31 PM

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Endless RF-650 Brake Fluid - Explained

From HSPN.com:
Endless RF-650 - The Ultimate Brake Fluid for the Circuit and Rally Category
The Endless RF-650 brake fluid is used in Formula 1, WRC and Paris Dakar Rally, yet
is still available for the end-user desiring the highest performing brake fluid. Within
the circuit stages where the braking temperatures reach extremely high heat
situations not encountered on the street, extremely stable performance
characteristics can be achieved. The RF-650 is becoming recognized as the
highest-spec brake fluid around the world. Endless continues in its 4th year
partnering/supplying the Honda BAR F1 Team and is both currently supplying and
testing with a handful of other F1 teams. This fluid is also standard equipment in all
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (997) cars. Unlike many other fluids that use a recycled
material in its formula, Endless uses a pure material in its original form.

WHERE IT'S USED, AND HOW THEY DID:

2009 24-HOUR NURBURGRING EVENT:
**Pertains to Endless Pads and their involvement with much of the registered cars/teams at the 24-Hour Nurburgring event

BRAWN GP - FORMULA 1

ENDLESS USA PRESS RELEASE
Response from current victories and events

Endless Equipped Cars Dominate Motorsports Weekend
Huntington Beach, CA (May 28, 2009) – Endless equipped teams across the globe showed their dominance this past weekend of May 23rd and 24th. From World Rally Challenge to the Formula One Monaco Grand Prix to the Nurburgring 24 Hours, all teams clenching victory used Endless as an integral part of their brake package.

Italy was next on the WRC schedule and Ford occupied both the 1st and 2nd place steps on the podium. Ford’s rally cars use the ever popular Endless rally/sprint race brake pad compounds and Endless RF-650 brake fluid.

Brawn GP continued their dominance and further extended their lead in the Formula One championship by finishing one-two at the glamorous Monaco Grand Prix. Yet again Jensen Button and Rubens Barrichello drove their Brawns equipped with Endless RF-650 brake fluid straight to victory lane.

But perhaps the most success enjoyed by Endless and their supported teams was in the famous 24 Hour Endurance race at the Nurburgring. More than forty cars in the field used Endless product for the grueling race. It was a sizable presence of Endless equipped cars; including Mitsubishi Lancers, Nissan 350Zs, and Alpina BMWs. More impressive, however, were the overall 3rd place Manthey Racing Porsche GT3 Cup car, 2nd place ABT Audi R8 and 1st place Manthey Racing Porsche GT3 RSR, all running Endless brake pads and fluid.

“It was a phenomenal weekend for our global Endless group,” said Executive Director of Endless USA, Dominic Chen. “The product truly speaks for itself by means of race victories. We are extremely proud to be working with such high caliber, talented people.” Endless hopes to add another endurance race win when the Texas based Risi Competizione team heads to France in a few weeks time to defend their class victory from last years 24 Hours at Le Mans.
###”
____________________

DETAILS AND COMPARISONS:
**Courtesy of Endless USA

Used in the top categories of F1, WRC, and Paris Dakar. Recognized by circuit users worldwide. DOT5 BBF Grade Standard. Especially developed for long endurance races ("24 hours") where extreme high temperature stability is required, but it is suitable for all types of competition. Optimal for maximum heat load conditions unheard of within the street stage. Endless is the official supplier of brake fluid to the Honda Racing F1 Team where the RF-650 is used exclusively in all testing and racing activities. Non-silicone based brake fluid. 0.5 Liter per bottle.

Here’s a graph of boiling points according to water content. Our RF-650 and the AP600 are very stable, with the RF-650 being a bit better. However, the SRF drops off violently when you get water in it. This means you can keep the RF-650 in there longer without having to do a full flush in fear of having water in the system. Water in the system means it’ll boil giving you a spongy brake pedal.

Now the other issue; compressibility. With our RF-650 brake fluid being standard original equipment on all Porsche GT3 Cup cars (Yes. Standard equipment from Porsche.), a lot of various teams in the US have been in close contact with me regarding it. Most have never heard of it before Porsche started using it as an OE part 2 years ago. Most of them had been using Castrol SRF.

What these GT3 Cup car teams have been telling me is that they’d put the fluid in the system, bleed it, and then go out on track. 5 or 10 minutes into the session the drivers would report the brake pedal feeling soft. So, they’d bring the cars in and check for air only to find none in the system. The actual issue ended up being compressibility. In short, different brake fluids compress more than others which accounted for the drivers reporting a soft pedal.

The teams tried a bunch of different fluids before realizing they should try ours (reason being they had never heard of Endless and they didn’t know where to get it). The teams tried AP, Motul, and others even I had never heard of, all still ending up with the same issue. Finally, when the GT3 Cup cars ran at the Formula 1 Grand Prix in Canada, they talked to the F1 teams. What they found out is that there are only two brake fluids used in Formula 1; one being Endless. Turns out the Brembo fluid and ours are the only ones without severe compressibility issues.

BOILING POINTS:

MAJOR BENEFITS OF THE RF-650 FLUID:
- LASTS FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR
- NO FLUSHING FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON (FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO TRACK YOUR CAR)
- NON-SILICONE BASED
- SAFE FOR SEALS
- SUPERIOR HYDRAULIC PROPERTIES
- METAL PACKAGING TO DEFER ANY MOISTURE FROM GETTING INSIDE THE BOTTLES OVER TIME

***

FOR THOSE OF YOU INTERESTED IN
PURCHASING THIS BRAKE FLUID, PLEASE REFER TO THE EVOM MARKETPLACE. WE
HAVE POSTED ALL SALE INFORMATION THERE.

*Brian* · 06-25-2009, 04:38 PM

E n d l e s s

Kevin@DriveLine · 06-26-2009, 12:33 PM

boiling points added.

*silviaguy240* · 06-27-2009, 12:06 AM

chart comparing this and motul rbf600 if available?

Kevin@DriveLine · 07-01-2009, 03:08 PM

I recommend checking here. Most common questions have been answered fairly thoroughly:
Endless RF-650 Brake Fluid - Explained - evolutionm.net

Kevin@DriveLine · 07-02-2009, 02:38 PM

bump!

*GSXRJJordan* · 07-02-2009, 02:45 PM

Killer stuff... I didn't know Brawn and Porsche used it, that's awesome.

I can't believe the Evo guys are bitching about a $35 500mL bottle, that'll last a year. I'm interested in getting a bottle to use instead of my Super Blue, I'll have to call ya up next time I'm in the Valley and stop by.

*slider2828* · 07-02-2009, 02:49 PM

Motul 660

Dry Boiling Point - 617°F
Wet Boiling Point - 399°F

Motul 600

Dry Point 312°c / 593°F
Wet Point 216°c / 420°F

Endless
dry boiling point - 622
Wet boiling point - 424

Motul 660 is $30, Motul 600 is $16, endless is $35.....

Hmmm does it make sense? Nope.....

Super Blue, not that great either.... And I flush brake fluid after every race or trackday and that is 1 bottle, soooo it doesn't really last that long hahah

Kevin@DriveLine · 07-02-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Killer stuff... I didn't know Brawn and Porsche used it, that's awesome.

I can't believe the Evo guys are bitching about a $35 500mL bottle, that'll last a year. I'm interested in getting a bottle to use instead of my Super Blue, I'll have to call ya up next time I'm in the Valley and stop by.

Let us know... We'll be happy to help.

Kevin@DriveLine · 07-02-2009, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slider2828

Motul 660

Dry Boiling Point - 617°F
Wet Boiling Point - 399°F

Motul 600

Dry Point 312°c / 593°F
Wet Point 216°c / 420°F

Endless
dry boiling point - 622
Wet boiling point - 424

Motul 660 is $30, Motul 600 is $16, endless is $35.....

Hmmm does it make sense? Nope.....

Super Blue, not that great either.... And I flush brake fluid after every race or trackday and that is 1 bottle, soooo it doesn't really last that long hahah

Boiling points are largely similar from fluid to fluid, but what really counts is the fluid's longevity and hydraulic properties. Professional race teams use their fluid (RF-650) and don't flush for the entire year. They bleed as needed depending on how harsh a particular weekend is. A full flush is reserved only for when the brake fluid has absorbed enough water to severely degrade its performance

At $33 a bottle, you can purchase 2 liters for $132 with a little less than a bottle left over to use as top off. You don't need to flush the system for the entire year, saving time and money while increasing performance due to the superior hydraulic properties of the RF-650 as opposed to others.

Porsche realized this. That is why it is OE on all their race cars; the GT3 Cup, Cup S and RSRs. If people don't drive hard, then there's no point in using a high performance brake fluid. That's 110% true. On the same token, if your flushing after EVERY RACE DAY then there's gotta be a need for something better than what you're using currently.

Yes, the Endless RF-650 is $33 per 500mL. That is $3 more than Motul's RBF660. Endless guarantee's that you'll use less of it over the course of the season, saving you money overall and it'll perform better all the while.

Kevin@DriveLine · 07-16-2009, 06:38 PM

06-25-2009, 04:31 PM	#1
Kevin@DriveLine Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CANOGA PARK, CA Posts: 1,512 Trader Rating: (12)	Endless RF-650 Brake Fluid - Explained DRIVELINEMOTORING Endless RF-650 Brake Fluid - Explained From HSPN.com: Endless RF-650 - The Ultimate Brake Fluid for the Circuit and Rally Category The Endless RF-650 brake fluid is used in Formula 1, WRC and Paris Dakar Rally, yet is still available for the end-user desiring the highest performing brake fluid. Within the circuit stages where the braking temperatures reach extremely high heat situations not encountered on the street, extremely stable performance characteristics can be achieved. The RF-650 is becoming recognized as the highest-spec brake fluid around the world. Endless continues in its 4th year partnering/supplying the Honda BAR F1 Team and is both currently supplying and testing with a handful of other F1 teams. This fluid is also standard equipment in all Porsche 911 GT3 Cup (997) cars. Unlike many other fluids that use a recycled material in its formula, Endless uses a pure material in its original form. WHERE IT'S USED, AND HOW THEY DID: 2009 24-HOUR NURBURGRING EVENT: Pertains to Endless Pads and their involvement with much of the registered cars/teams at the 24-Hour Nurburgring event BRAWN GP - FORMULA 1 ENDLESS USA PRESS RELEASE Response from current victories and events Endless Equipped Cars Dominate Motorsports Weekend Huntington Beach, CA (May 28, 2009) – Endless equipped teams across the globe showed their dominance this past weekend of May 23rd and 24th. From World Rally Challenge to the Formula One Monaco Grand Prix to the Nurburgring 24 Hours, all teams clenching victory used Endless as an integral part of their brake package. Italy was next on the WRC schedule and Ford occupied both the 1st and 2nd place steps on the podium. Ford’s rally cars use the ever popular Endless rally/sprint race brake pad compounds and Endless RF-650 brake fluid. Brawn GP continued their dominance and further extended their lead in the Formula One championship by finishing one-two at the glamorous Monaco Grand Prix. Yet again Jensen Button and Rubens Barrichello drove their Brawns equipped with Endless RF-650 brake fluid straight to victory lane. But perhaps the most success enjoyed by Endless and their supported teams was in the famous 24 Hour Endurance race at the Nurburgring. More than forty cars in the field used Endless product for the grueling race. It was a sizable presence of Endless equipped cars; including Mitsubishi Lancers, Nissan 350Zs, and Alpina BMWs. More impressive, however, were the overall 3rd place Manthey Racing Porsche GT3 Cup car, 2nd place ABT Audi R8 and 1st place Manthey Racing Porsche GT3 RSR, all running Endless brake pads and fluid. “It was a phenomenal weekend for our global Endless group,” said Executive Director of Endless USA, Dominic Chen. “The product truly speaks for itself by means of race victories. We are extremely proud to be working with such high caliber, talented people.” Endless hopes to add another endurance race win when the Texas based Risi Competizione team heads to France in a few weeks time to defend their class victory from last years 24 Hours at Le Mans. ###” ____________________ DETAILS AND COMPARISONS: Courtesy of Endless USA Used in the top categories of F1, WRC, and Paris Dakar. Recognized by circuit users worldwide. DOT5 BBF Grade Standard. Especially developed for long endurance races ("24 hours") where extreme high temperature stability is required, but it is suitable for all types of competition. Optimal for maximum heat load conditions unheard of within the street stage. Endless is the official supplier of brake fluid to the Honda Racing F1 Team where the RF-650 is used exclusively in all testing and racing activities. Non-silicone based brake fluid. 0.5 Liter per bottle. Here’s a graph of boiling points according to water content. Our RF-650 and the AP600 are very stable, with the RF-650 being a bit better. However, the SRF drops off violently when you get water in it. This means you can keep the RF-650 in there longer without having to do a full flush in fear of having water in the system. Water in the system means it’ll boil giving you a spongy brake pedal. Now the other issue; compressibility. With our RF-650 brake fluid being standard original equipment on all Porsche GT3 Cup cars (Yes. Standard equipment from Porsche.), a lot of various teams in the US have been in close contact with me regarding it. Most have never heard of it before Porsche started using it as an OE part 2 years ago. Most of them had been using Castrol SRF. What these GT3 Cup car teams have been telling me is that they’d put the fluid in the system, bleed it, and then go out on track. 5 or 10 minutes into the session the drivers would report the brake pedal feeling soft. So, they’d bring the cars in and check for air only to find none in the system. The actual issue ended up being compressibility. In short, different brake fluids compress more than others which accounted for the drivers reporting a soft pedal. The teams tried a bunch of different fluids before realizing they should try ours (reason being they had never heard of Endless and they didn’t know where to get it). The teams tried AP, Motul, and others even I had never heard of, all still ending up with the same issue. Finally, when the GT3 Cup cars ran at the Formula 1 Grand Prix in Canada, they talked to the F1 teams. What they found out is that there are only two brake fluids used in Formula 1; one being Endless. Turns out the Brembo fluid and ours are the only ones without severe compressibility issues. BOILING POINTS: MAJOR BENEFITS OF THE RF-650 FLUID: - LASTS FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR - NO FLUSHING FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON (FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO TRACK YOUR CAR) - NON-SILICONE BASED - SAFE FOR SEALS - SUPERIOR HYDRAULIC PROPERTIES - METAL PACKAGING TO DEFER ANY MOISTURE FROM GETTING INSIDE THE BOTTLES OVER TIME ***** FOR THOSE OF YOU INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THIS BRAKE FLUID, PLEASE REFER TO THE EVOM MARKETPLACE. WE HAVE POSTED ALL SALE INFORMATION THERE. __________________ DRIVELINE MOTORING 8030 Remmet Ave. #14 Canoga Park, CA 91304 Website: www.drivelinestore.com E-Mail: info@drivelinestore.com AIM: SalesAtDriveLine PayPal: info@drivelinestore.com Phone: (818) 710-6666 WE WILL BE CLOSED FROM TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD THROUGH THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH. PLEASE CONTACT US VIA E-MAIL FOR REPLY** Last edited by Kevin@DriveLine; 06-26-2009 at 12:32 PM.

06-25-2009, 04:38 PM	#2
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06-26-2009, 12:33 PM	#3
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Kevin@DriveLine Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CANOGA PARK, CA Posts: 1,512 Trader Rating: (12)	I recommend checking here. Most common questions have been answered fairly thoroughly: Endless RF-650 Brake Fluid - Explained - evolutionm.net __________________ DRIVELINE MOTORING 8030 Remmet Ave. #14 Canoga Park, CA 91304 Website: www.drivelinestore.com E-Mail: info@drivelinestore.com AIM: SalesAtDriveLine PayPal: info@drivelinestore.com Phone: (818) 710-6666 WE WILL BE CLOSED FROM TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD THROUGH THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH. PLEASE CONTACT US VIA E-MAIL FOR REPLY

07-02-2009, 02:38 PM	#6
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07-02-2009, 02:49 PM	#8
slider2828 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 3,436 Trader Rating: (8)	Motul 660 Dry Boiling Point - 617°F Wet Boiling Point - 399°F Motul 600 Dry Point 312°c / 593°F Wet Point 216°c / 420°F Endless dry boiling point - 622 Wet boiling point - 424 Motul 660 is $30, Motul 600 is $16, endless is $35..... Hmmm does it make sense? Nope..... Super Blue, not that great either.... And I flush brake fluid after every race or trackday and that is 1 bottle, soooo it doesn't really last that long hahah __________________ Turn and Burn!

07-16-2009, 06:38 PM	#11
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