SPL PARTS version 3 arms - new adjuster info and poll

kuah@splparts.com · 05-30-2008, 10:39 AM

This is our new adjuster design, a hybrid clamp and jam nut combination. This design uses a billet aluminum clamp on the rod end side and a jam nut on the arm side, to lock down your alignment setting.

We are using the clamp design for several reasons: with the old jam nut design, when tightening the jam nut on the rod end, that has a tendency to rotate the rod end. This makes it difficult to hold the alignment setting, as the rod end threads in/out combined with the jam nut stretching the thread, the alignment can shift 1/16" or more. It also makes it difficult to keep the spherical bearing centered to prevent binding under suspension travel. To get an accurate alignment while keeping the bearing centered becomes a tricky juggling act. The clamp design solves all these problems, allowing the alignment to be set without moving the rod end.

We continue to use a jam nut on the arm side because I have found that because of its size, it can be tightened without moving the adjuster or changing the length of the arm.

FWIW the new adjuster drives up our production cost on each pair of arm by $10-15. It is much more expensive than a 20cent jam nut. But for now we are keeping prices unchanged. All our v2 arms can be upgraded to the new adjuster, I will put up the upgrade information later this month.

Here is a picture of all our rear arms equipped with the new adjuster:

I need to poll you guys about using a different finish on our suspension arms. We have been using chrome since the beginning because of its high chip resistance and cosmetic appearance. However chrome being a tough finish, develops micro-cracks and pinholes, which are usually not visible, but can cause small rust bubbles to develop over a long period of time, in certain climates.

I have been looking into different finishing possibilities. I wanted to avoid powdercoating because once chipped, powdercoat tends to come off in chunks. Also it creates problems with threaded parts. The finish I came up with is Cadmium w/ Black Chromate plating, followed by baking to reduce hydrogen embrittlement. Cadmium plating has better corrosion resistance compared to chrome, it will also prevent long term galvanic corrosion of the steel arm if the arm gets exposed to any salt. And because we can get these baked after plating, it will actually make the parts a little stronger (less hydrogen embrittlement). The downside is that it is not as good looking as chrome...

To compare, this is our chromed rear upper arms:

Here is the new "Stealth Black" rear upper arms:

The poll question is: if only the "Stealth Black" finish was available, would that otherwise deter you from buying the product? ie. You would buy the chromed product, but not the "Stealth Black".

It would be too difficult for me to try to stock both finishes, so I have to decide whether to switch everything to "Stealth Black", or keep the chrome.

tacotacotaco · 05-30-2008, 10:43 AM

Stealth black!

*DreamN* · 05-30-2008, 10:45 AM

Edit: Read the thread thoroughly this time and the stealth black is an improvement on an already improved item so that's a big yes to Stealth Black then. Are those arms for both the s13 and s14?

ILoveMyRHS13 · 05-30-2008, 10:45 AM

I love the stealth black!

sumfknguy · 05-30-2008, 10:46 AM

stealth black ftw!

*cgtdream* · 05-30-2008, 10:49 AM

The stealth black is lookin good...I would def. buy those over the chromed ones...

kuah@splparts.com · 05-30-2008, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamN

Edit: Read the thread thoroughly this time and the stealth black is an improvement on an already improved item so that's a big yes to Stealth Black then. Are those arms for both the s13 and s14?

Yup all 3 arms fit S13 and S14 chassis. Our toe arms come with 2 sets of bushings (not shown) that allows it to fit both chassis. The traction rod is common to both. The rear upper arm is also designed to fit on both chassis.

*240trainee* · 05-30-2008, 10:55 AM

Stealth black looks good to me.

I need to pick up some shit in the near future from you too.

*MrD* · 05-30-2008, 10:55 AM

stealth black please!

IStop4NoMan · 05-30-2008, 10:56 AM

i agree with stealth black.

Its great how you guys are looking to improve your designs. i do notice with the MR arms i have that the rod ends do twist a lot when trying to lock the jam nut. also the rod end does swivel making it hard to get the rod length correct. keep up the good work.

i wish i had gone with real arms to begin with like SPL

*DreamN* · 05-30-2008, 11:00 AM

Kuah, add a poll to the thread so you don't have to be counting each vote lol

*exitspeed* · 05-30-2008, 11:01 AM

Stealthy Black for the win.

*exitspeed* · 05-30-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamN

Kuah, add a poll to the thread so you don't have to be counting each vote lol

I don't think he can now. Kuah, Let me know if you can't and I'll add it for you.

EDIT: Actually I don't see how to do it either.

*gprb25* · 05-30-2008, 11:10 AM

Stealth black FTW.

Lookin good SPL...keep it up

blueshark123 · 05-30-2008, 11:12 AM

stealth black ftw!

*ROUGE180* · 05-30-2008, 11:12 AM

STEALTH DAWKKKNESSSSS!!

msglngth

*CAPoweredS14* · 05-30-2008, 11:14 AM

I say add the poll I wanna vote on Stealth Black. I only wish SPL tagged their products.

*CAPoweredS14* · 05-30-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROUGE180

STEALTH DAWKKKNESSSSS!!

msglngth

YES +1 on the Charlie Murphy!!

highoctane · 05-30-2008, 11:18 AM

stealth black ftw

*azndoc* · 05-30-2008, 11:23 AM

I like the bling bling, but the stealth black looks cool.

Like sema flat black is what I call it.

As long as it works, I wouldn't care if it was in pink with white strips.

*240trainee* · 05-30-2008, 11:29 AM

My main concern would be the hex screws that you are using on the collar, I have night mares about those things and how they have a tendency to strip out.

*ellisonrox* · 05-30-2008, 11:35 AM

when's v3 due to be out?

looks awesome

Harbe · 05-30-2008, 11:35 AM

your suspension arms rust with the chrome, when do the stealth black rucas come available to buy my vote for the stealth black

how much for whats seen in the pic black rucas

*Slidin240Wayz* · 05-30-2008, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240trainee

My main concern would be the hex screws that you are using on the collar, I have night mares about those things and how they have a tendency to strip out.

+1.

Make sure you put which size allen key to you.

Stealth black = YES!

gottdeskrieges · 05-30-2008, 11:40 AM

I want gold!!!! HEHE..Stealth black ftw

Trion · 05-30-2008, 11:40 AM

Impressed by your research, regarding stress/crevice corrosion. This makes me really consider buying a set of arms! Would choose the black, due to it's benefits!

kuah@splparts.com · 05-30-2008, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240trainee

My main concern would be the hex screws that you are using on the collar, I have night mares about those things and how they have a tendency to strip out.

If they strip, just slip off the collar and use a worm gear hose/band clamp while you wait on a new collar from us

But not to worry, it doesn't take much torque to lock down the collar, so chances of that happening is slim unless you get overzealous torquing it down.

xdumbxguyx · 05-30-2008, 11:48 AM

chrome for the bling!

*INeedNewTires* · 05-30-2008, 11:51 AM

FUNCTION>FORM So Black is where it's at! Plus you rarely see the Chrome arms anyway so who cares, i vote for the added strength and corrosion properties.

kuah@splparts.com · 05-30-2008, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ellisonrox

when's v3 due to be out?

The new adjusters are shipping on all arms as of this week, however the arms will still be chromed. I do have the stealth black RUCAs available now, but toe arms and traction arms will be about 3-4 weeks out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harbe

how much for whats seen in the pic black rucas

RUCAs are $249. For now there are no changes in pricing on the rear arms between v2 and v3 (chrome or black).

View Poll Results: "Stealth Black" or Chrome Finish
"Stealth Black"	117	79.05%
Chrome	31	20.95%
Voters: 148. You may not vote on this poll

05-30-2008, 10:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
kuah@splparts.com Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin TX Posts: 577 Trader Rating: (1)	SPL PARTS version 3 arms - new adjuster info and poll This is our new adjuster design, a hybrid clamp and jam nut combination. This design uses a billet aluminum clamp on the rod end side and a jam nut on the arm side, to lock down your alignment setting. We are using the clamp design for several reasons: with the old jam nut design, when tightening the jam nut on the rod end, that has a tendency to rotate the rod end. This makes it difficult to hold the alignment setting, as the rod end threads in/out combined with the jam nut stretching the thread, the alignment can shift 1/16" or more. It also makes it difficult to keep the spherical bearing centered to prevent binding under suspension travel. To get an accurate alignment while keeping the bearing centered becomes a tricky juggling act. The clamp design solves all these problems, allowing the alignment to be set without moving the rod end. We continue to use a jam nut on the arm side because I have found that because of its size, it can be tightened without moving the adjuster or changing the length of the arm. FWIW the new adjuster drives up our production cost on each pair of arm by $10-15. It is much more expensive than a 20cent jam nut. But for now we are keeping prices unchanged. All our v2 arms can be upgraded to the new adjuster, I will put up the upgrade information later this month. Here is a picture of all our rear arms equipped with the new adjuster: I need to poll you guys about using a different finish on our suspension arms. We have been using chrome since the beginning because of its high chip resistance and cosmetic appearance. However chrome being a tough finish, develops micro-cracks and pinholes, which are usually not visible, but can cause small rust bubbles to develop over a long period of time, in certain climates. I have been looking into different finishing possibilities. I wanted to avoid powdercoating because once chipped, powdercoat tends to come off in chunks. Also it creates problems with threaded parts. The finish I came up with is Cadmium w/ Black Chromate plating, followed by baking to reduce hydrogen embrittlement. Cadmium plating has better corrosion resistance compared to chrome, it will also prevent long term galvanic corrosion of the steel arm if the arm gets exposed to any salt. And because we can get these baked after plating, it will actually make the parts a little stronger (less hydrogen embrittlement). The downside is that it is not as good looking as chrome... To compare, this is our chromed rear upper arms: Here is the new "Stealth Black" rear upper arms: The poll question is: if only the "Stealth Black" finish was available, would that otherwise deter you from buying the product? ie. You would buy the chromed product, but not the "Stealth Black". It would be too difficult for me to try to stock both finishes, so I have to decide whether to switch everything to "Stealth Black", or keep the chrome.

05-30-2008, 10:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
tacotacotaco Co-owner Angry Panda Fab Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GRRRVINE!!! Age: 25 Posts: 2,210 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: tacotacotaco	Stealth black! __________________

05-30-2008, 10:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
DreamN My car gets her wet ;) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal (818) Mon★ Rep Power: ∞ Age: 23 Posts: 5,047 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: DreamN	Edit: Read the thread thoroughly this time and the stealth black is an improvement on an already improved item so that's a big yes to Stealth Black then. Are those arms for both the s13 and s14? __________________ For Sale: S13 Coupe Part & Misc. S-Chassis Parts DreamN's Trader Rating

05-30-2008, 10:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
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05-30-2008, 10:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
sumfknguy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hayward/ Stockton Age: 28 Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	stealth black ftw! __________________ Sil80, Sl55, Landcruiser, r1

05-30-2008, 10:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
cgtdream Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The land of CoCo's, and Yoshinoya's Age: 23 Posts: 267 Trader Rating: (0)	The stealth black is lookin good...I would def. buy those over the chromed ones... __________________ Juicy slayin aint easy, but dammit somebody has to do it!!!

05-30-2008, 10:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
240trainee TEAM PTERO!!!1!!1!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 21 Posts: 3,709 Trader Rating: (1)	Stealth black looks good to me. I need to pick up some shit in the near future from you too. __________________ Team Pterodactyl SHARK ATTACK!!! LookoutDrift

05-30-2008, 10:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
MrD Premium Stalker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mtl, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 114 Trader Rating: (0)	stealth black please!

05-30-2008, 10:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
IStop4NoMan Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: so cal Posts: 216 Trader Rating: (0)	i agree with stealth black. Its great how you guys are looking to improve your designs. i do notice with the MR arms i have that the rod ends do twist a lot when trying to lock the jam nut. also the rod end does swivel making it hard to get the rod length correct. keep up the good work. i wish i had gone with real arms to begin with like SPL

05-30-2008, 11:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
DreamN My car gets her wet ;) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SoCal (818) Mon★ Rep Power: ∞ Age: 23 Posts: 5,047 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: DreamN	Kuah, add a poll to the thread so you don't have to be counting each vote lol __________________ For Sale: S13 Coupe Part & Misc. S-Chassis Parts DreamN's Trader Rating

05-30-2008, 11:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
exitspeed OT King Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Packerland - Wisconsin Age: 29 Posts: 14,097 Trader Rating: (0)	Stealthy Black for the win. __________________ Panache Driver Forums My Zilvia hours are 8:30-5pm Mon-Fri. Daily Auto Blog Autoilluminati

05-30-2008, 11:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
gprb25 Premium Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Carrollton, Tx Age: 24 Posts: 398 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: gprb25	Stealth black FTW. Lookin good SPL...keep it up __________________ http://myworld.ebay.com/gprb25

05-30-2008, 11:12 AM	#15 (permalink)
blueshark123 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Jersey Posts: 808 Trader Rating: (0)	stealth black ftw! __________________ selling my baby s14.5 bayside blue sr

05-30-2008, 11:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
ROUGE180 WideBody is in my future Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: R 2 Da VIZ-LL, MD Age: 32 Posts: 725 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: ROUGE180	STEALTH DAWKKKNESSSSS!! msglngth

05-30-2008, 11:14 AM	#17 (permalink)
CAPoweredS14 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alvin, Tx near Houston Age: 24 Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: CAPoweredS14	I say add the poll I wanna vote on Stealth Black. I only wish SPL tagged their products.

05-30-2008, 11:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
highoctane Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MS Posts: 59 Trader Rating: (0)	stealth black ftw

05-30-2008, 11:23 AM	#20 (permalink)
azndoc Yummmmmmmyyyy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: So Cal 626 Age: 26 Posts: 8,100 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: azndoc	I like the bling bling, but the stealth black looks cool. Like sema flat black is what I call it. As long as it works, I wouldn't care if it was in pink with white strips. __________________ TEAM SUS*PECT -Jack City Tire Online jack@citytireonline.com PM me about the LED glasses. NOW $20 paypaled and shipped.

05-30-2008, 11:29 AM	#21 (permalink)
240trainee TEAM PTERO!!!1!!1!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 21 Posts: 3,709 Trader Rating: (1)	My main concern would be the hex screws that you are using on the collar, I have night mares about those things and how they have a tendency to strip out. __________________ Team Pterodactyl SHARK ATTACK!!! LookoutDrift

05-30-2008, 11:35 AM	#22 (permalink)
ellisonrox Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Downey, CA Posts: 289 Trader Rating: (0)	when's v3 due to be out? looks awesome

05-30-2008, 11:35 AM	#23 (permalink)
Harbe Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Age: 24 Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (0)	your suspension arms rust with the chrome, when do the stealth black rucas come available to buy my vote for the stealth black how much for whats seen in the pic black rucas

05-30-2008, 11:40 AM	#25 (permalink)
gottdeskrieges Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: GJ, CO Posts: 45 Trader Rating: (0)	I want gold!!!! HEHE..Stealth black ftw

05-30-2008, 11:40 AM	#26 (permalink)
Trion Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0)	Impressed by your research, regarding stress/crevice corrosion. This makes me really consider buying a set of arms! Would choose the black, due to it's benefits!

05-30-2008, 11:48 AM	#28 (permalink)
xdumbxguyx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 626 Posts: 414 Trader Rating: (4)	chrome for the bling!

05-30-2008, 11:51 AM	#29 (permalink)
INeedNewTires Stuck it in the butt lastnight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 23 Posts: 1,025 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: INeedNewTires	FUNCTION>FORM So Black is where it's at! Plus you rarely see the Chrome arms anyway so who cares, i vote for the added strength and corrosion properties. __________________ SHIFT_exhilaration "You are NOT your fucking postcount..." Buy my 5lug, Z32-ebrake, 1pc Driveshaft, tie rod ends, wheels and more!