cc4usmc

I think we all know that without you even saying it. I hope you're never in a situation where your life or the life of another innocent person is in danger, and the only way to live is to take a life.


As far as the other thread goes, I'm sure that girl is old enough to know that she shouldn't have put herself in that position. I'm not saying that should should have been raped, but, it wouldn't of happened had she not chose to participate. But 5 children, that's not even the same thing.

I bet this is your idea of a prison lol.

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wangan_cruiser

lol where the hell did you get that?

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I think what they should do is for the father to cut his head off it anyone from the family of the child

DALAZ_68

situations change people.

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JVD

Do some research.

Tell me how much it costs to have a person "executed" in the states. That's why it's a fucking joke.

There's no point in continuing this argument. You're all for the most dignified, fair, treatment of child rapists. That's fine.

I'm all for taking away every last right of that scumbag and providing him with the most embarrassing dehumanizing death possible... because that's what he deserves.

Oh, and the point about that girl in the states being raped. She was 15... she chose to drink with those guys. DEFINITELY DID NOT deserve what happened, but surely she knew better.

The kid this guy left to die in the desert was 3. Bit of a difference.

ronmcdon

I did some research paper on the cost of the death penalty in the US.
This was 10 yrs ago, so costs might have gone up.

On average it cost taxpayers around 10 million bucks for the average death row inmate.
you figure there will be multiple appeals cases in court.
unless it's Texas, most death row inmates will stay so long in prison,
there's a greater possibility they will die of old age.
so you also add the cost of a lengthy (if not life) imprisonment.

On the other extreme side of the fence is China.
You get convicted, you die pretty damn soon @ minimal cost to the state.
Civil rights are going to be less than what you get here, but every system has its compromises.

IIRC, the USA also ranks #1 as far as the country with the number of death penalty executions per year @ around 200 annual
(need to check on this figure, I am definetly off my some amount) so you can imagine the costs.

It is absolutely pointless to carry an argument like this.
What is humane (or tasteful) is pretty subjective.

Imo, I don't agree in the public display and the cruxifiction.
It's just old fashioned, & kids don't need to see that sort of thing.
It would work just as well, imo, if you let ppl's imagination do the work.

however, I feel the means of execution via beheading was a bit too lax.
It's pretty much over in a few seconds.
I also feel that 'lethal injection' is far more horrendous,
but that's another can of worms.

Vision Garage

But the whole pointof having a it on display or what not is to deter other people from committing the same act. You tell me if you saw someone get his hand cut off that you wouldnt think twice about stealing shit? I dont care how barbaric it may seem because some people wont change unless we show them we are fukking serious about killing them if they fuk up!!

Sleepy, why do you care so much about the rights of criminals and rapist? What would be your solutions to deter these fukkers from causing crimes or raping children? They can care less if they face 10 years in prison. Now if they knew they would die within a year of conviction they wouldnt even think about doing the crime.

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hellaslows13

The fuck is up with people these days...

SexPanda

i like that. sick fuckers like that deserve to suffer.

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Sleepy240

Because obviously their grusome displays DONT stop the crimes. Just a quick google search will yeild the results that they commited some 100+ executions in 2008 alone with ATLEAST another 136 to be awaiting execution. So to me its just senseless since it is not solving any problems. I am not for rapist rights, I am for human rights. What the Arabians are doing is no better than Hitler and the Nazis, or the South African "rebels".

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US Statistics

Assault victims 1.2%
[11th of 20] Car thefts 1,246,096
[1st of 46] Drug offences 560.1 per 100,000 people
[4th of 46] Executions 42 executions
[5th of 22] Gun violence > Homicides > % homicides with firearms 39.5604
[7th of 32] Illicit drugs
world's largest consumer of cocaine (shipped from Colombia through Mexico and the Caribbean), Colombian heroin, and Mexican heroin and marijuana; major consumer of ecstasy and Mexican methamphetamine; minor consumer of high-quality Southeast Asian heroin; illicit producer of cannabis, marijuana, depressants, stimulants, hallucinogens, and methamphetamine; money-laundering center Murders 16,204
[2nd of 49] Murders with firearms 9,369
[1st of 36] Perception of safety > Walking in dark 82%
[2nd of 15] Police 941,139
[1st of 47] Prisoners 2,019,234 prisoners
[1st of 168] Prisoners > Per capita 715 per 100,000 people
[1st of 164] Rape victims 0.4%
[13th of 20] Rapes 95,136
[1st of 50] Robberies 420,637
[2nd of 47] Software piracy rate 20%
[107th of 107] Suicide rates in ages 15-24 13.7 per 100,000 people
[7th of 17] Suicide rates in ages 25-34 15.3 per 100,000 people
[10th of 17] Total crime victims 21.1%
[15th of 20] Total crimes 11,877,218
[1st of 50]

Saudi Arabia Statistics

Assaults 13,864
[21st of 49] Burglaries 14
[36th of 38] Car thefts 18,717
[18th of 46] Executions 143 executions
[3rd of 22] Illicit drugs
death penalty for traffickers; improving anti-money-laundering legislation and enforcement Jails 104
[16th of 80] Kidnappings 107 kidnappings
[15th of 39] Manslaughters 53
[19th of 42] Murders 202
[28th of 49] Prisoners 28,612 prisoners
[19th of 168] Prisoners > Female 6.6%
[20th of 134] Prisoners > Foreign prisoners 50.9%
[6th of 86] Prisoners > Per capita 110 per 100,000 people
[79th of 164] Rapes 59
[44th of 50] Robberies 598
[54th of 47] Software piracy rate 51%
[70th of 107] Total crimes 84,599
[32nd of 50]

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Taniguchi_Is_#1

you are comparing a beheading of a convicted criminal to the massacre of millions of innocent people. i don't think you really understand what you are arguing about.

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soreballz

WOW.

You kind of just blew my mind with your ignorance.

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Sleepy240

Taniguchi I 100% understand what I am arguing about, your the one who doesn't seem to understand. Its OK! Its easy for you guys to miss the point of my statement. The way the Arabians are executing people is no worse than the way the Nazis executed people, regardless of whether the person committed a crime or not the nature of the punishment is OUTRAGEOUS, both are INCREDIBLY inhumane. Would you find it any less offensive if the Nazis carried out their executions via beheading and crucifying the individuals, or if the Arabians burned the criminals to death?

Also if your ignorant enough to believe I am talking about the HOLOCAUST you are VERY WRONG. I am talking about the executions Hitler and the SS performed on "criminals"

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kyoru

wow this made me cringe hard

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Saw one of those at a Civil War museum here. They used it at the fort to discipline their own soldiers who misbehaved.

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tricky_ab

I can support executing a person like this who obviously does not care for any other human beings but the more I think about it, beheading and then displaying his body is just disgusting (for this day and age). I really don't think that it would have an effect on any sociopath who would consider raping and killing children, because in the end they would take the risk anyways since it's already taboo.

DriftPanda

just send him to an american jail for a week. i guarantee you he will be dead.

Taniguchi_Is_#1

that WAS the holocaust. you're the one being ignorant if you think that the only people killed in the holocaust were jews. whatever. if you want to belittle me, you should at least make sure you know your facts. i'm going to leave it at that because you're just going to make baseless claims and personal attacks to defend your position anyways.

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lewisfk

Wow, sleepy no comment to what I had to say? Really, is not much to say when u look at the big picture!! The success of this country out ways the rights of murders and convents, we should learn from Saudi Arabia, well hell they own half of this country anyway!! If u followed the history of Bush u would know the Saudis bank rolled all of his projects before he became governor of Texas and the President!!

ronmcdon

You probably should have been more specific to begin with.

You can't call ppl for being 'ignorant' if they can't read your mind.
Besides, it's not like Hitler has the best judgement when determining who were worthy of being 'criminals'.
(again you don't specify, so don't be surprised if ppl are going to 'miss the point' of your statement).

Not to say he has never made the choice to execute those that were deserving,
but it's pretty obvious he made the choice (more often than not) to execute those that were NOT deserving.

Regardless, you have to admit that wasn't the best analogy period.
Even if I were to agree with your overall opinion (im on the fence),
I don't think this particular analogy was the best rhetoric.

I highly recommend you stay with more conservative analogies & be as specific as possible.
otherwise it's just going to stir up controversy & confusion.
not sure if that was the intended effect?

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98s14inaz

I would give my life or take a life to protect a child. No sympathy from me for the monsters who would hurt children. The children don't even have the ability to defend themselves. Anyone who protects these monsters can go to hell with them as far as I am concerned. Fucking hippies.

Wait wait wait...lol You're comparing executing rapists, thieves, and murderers to ethnic cleansing of Jews and Africans? What the fuck are they teaching you kids in school?

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Sleepy240

I can gladly call you ignorant because we are talking about executions not GENOCIDE. And the first thing you think of is a way to defend your point by thinking I supported the Holocaust, ZOMG! There is nothing wrong with controversy, its pretty simple to see how people could jump to the Holocaust solution because they just don't know about the other things that happened during that time. Whether or not the individuals were GUILTY does not excuse the way they were murdered.

If I were you I would fly to Africa or China. There are tons of children who could use somebody to sacrifice themselves and save their life. Also just to be clear you should probably read the whole thread before you comment on people "protecting these monsters" because nobody condones their actions, I just feel they should executed in the proper manner.

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ThatGuy

Allow me to step in to make one small point here.

There is no "proper manner" to kill someone.
Along the same lines of there is no such thing as "a fair fight".

The people who are sentenced to die, did not take the time to make sure they were raping someone "in the proper manner", or shooting a family "in the proper manner".


Now, beheading and public crusifiction may not be the best method, but it is their society.



Personally speaking, "Lethal Injection" is "too humane" for some. They have committed acts of atrocity sometimes too terrible to even imagine. But they get a sterilized needle in their arm, and drift off to sleep. But with the joke that the judicial system has been turned into, it doesn't much matter anyway. Court rooms used to be where people decided whether or not someone was guilty, and what their punishment should be. Now, a court room is where people decide who paid more for the better lawyer, and what kind of "bargain" can they work with the state.

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98s14inaz

That's the point. Beheading is humane, it's just messy. In ancient times it was reserved for the upper class while the poor people got hanged. Off with their heads imho.

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tricky_ab

Really?

ronmcdon

But the genocide entailed executions.

throwing ppl in gas chambers to die = execution
dragging ppl to the firing squards = execution
execution that doesn't have moral justification = execution
execution that is cruel and/or unusual = execution.
It's pretty cut & dry.

I meant controversy as in having ppl in this forum react with hostility towards you,
but maybe that's precisely what you wanted, idk.
Should have been more specific, apologies.

If there are 'other things' as you say with Hitler's executions,
then it wouldn't hurt to be specific and mention those in detail.
can you give examples with support?
that would help elaborate what you're trying to get across.

fyi - it's not my intention to be confrontational.
I'm just intrigued how your analogy (comparing Saudi to Hitler) could somehow be valid.

ronmcdon

I wonder what was the rationale behind this?
Hanging isn't all that un-humane either if applied properly.
The spine just snaps, and death could be pretty instantaneous.
Death by hanging a time proven solution that cheap, humane, and not messy (as you say).

Wonder why the hell the US replaced that with needlessly complex solutions like the chair & injection.