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Old 10-27-2009, 08:36 PM   #31
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didn't know so many people were down for gangbangs. this is like the 3rd gangbang rape i've herd about in as many months. sickos.
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The story seems to be a little confusing. One one hand they say it went on for 2 hours and no one helped, but on the other hand they say" The attack, however, was happening in an out-of-the way alley just north of campus, police said. In the dark, no one saw a thing." If no one saw it going on, then how could someone not involved in this help?

Either way, it is a fucked up story and I wish the girl had exercised better judgement than to go off and get drunk with some grown men in a dark alley. I am not blaming the victim here, but you have to make better decisions than that. Also I can't fathom the state of mind required to do something so wicked to another human being...
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i hope those guys will get their ass rape in jail HARD
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while it is sad, i have to agree with some of the previous posts in questioning the validity of this. It should be no surprise nowadays that after consensual sex there are the occasional girls who cry rape. Not always lies, and not always truths, but I would like to see how the evidence plays out, since there are too many things that dont quite add up
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wow... 2 hours!? thats soo f**kd upp!
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Rapists, child molesters etc dragged into the street and shot in the face.

Pile em up. Fuck em.
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"Manuel Ortega"

hrmmm

sounds like some dumb shit the mexicans around here would do

(no hate, most of my friends are mexican and so is my girlfriend)

but there is a fair share of shit for brain mexican kids that think shit like this is a GREAT idea

disgusting
I'm still surprised how people are still having kids in this fucked up world. Then again everything that these kids do is the parents fault.

Just like this guy said here.

Stupid parents that don't know shit. This rapist is easily 1 of 7 kids.
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I'm thinking there's another side to this story. Ya, the guys were scum for doing it... but I'm sure, at some point, the girl was consensual.

Maybe things got a little out of hand after that... but she kinda put herself in that situation. Still though. 15yrs old... SHIT. That's gonna be tough on her.

Although 15yr old girls don't act 15 anymore. I work with a few. They are a lot more mature/aware than many would like to believe.
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Pretty sad shit right there.

It seems easy to say that the girl in a way deserved it because she was a slut or something along that line.

But its still a pretty horrible crime. Truly sad shit for all humanity.

She probably thought that it was harmless and just wanted the attention.

But the attention turned into a horrible crime.

Truly sad. I hope those who did the crime pay for what they did to her.
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If a 15 year old girl is kicking and screaming in a dark alley with a bunch of guys acting suspicious, it isn't going to take 2 hours for it to get broke up.
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we like to believe every girl in the world is innocent, but with todays society being open to sexual encounters, its hard to believe this incident without real facts/proof.
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When I read the story, in my mind it went something like this (although no-one can know without being there).

Girl leaves dance. Wants to be cool with the older guys, drinks far too much and KOs.

Guys take their turn on her. Steal her stuff after.

People find KO'd girl.


Theres definitely holes in the story. What happened to her is awful, but who knows if she was actually "gang-raped". She must of been there for quite a while if she was drinking enough to get drunk before the rape even started.
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It aint consensual when they find you half naked, beaten up and balled up semi conscious under a fucking bench.
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This country is going in the shitter. Its ridiculous that this happened either way, if it started consentual or not. Gangbangs in an alley involving 15 y/o girls is a horrible thing any way you look at it. I hope things change before my kids get to be that age, but I'm not optimistic about it.
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It's sad that shit like this is common place in today's highschool society. Definitely not to this extent, but kids--I'm talking KIDS; fourteen years of age go to parties, get much too drunk, then end up doing things they never imagined they would do. Rape and attempted rape is basically commonplace in my highschool.
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wow this is terrible
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If a 15 year old girl is kicking and screaming in a dark alley with a bunch of guys acting suspicious, it isn't going to take 2 hours for it to get broke up.
I kinda follow what you are saying. You have to wait for the facts to come out in rape cases. Rape is probably the biggest source of false accusations there is. Duke rape case, Tawana Bawley.

Here is one example from just a couple of manths ago..

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/n...3F6ms9igAoNQKI

The NY Post was even nice enough to post their names with pictures of the accused.


Here is where she recants and admits that she had sex with them and was embarrassed afterwords.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/h...WlUP24qxSeVptM


Here is her punishment.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/h...aC78fNpGtA7SHK


A couple of things set this one apart from most accusations like this. The missing jewelry and the fact that it was reported by someone else makes me think that this one probably is true.

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So she left the dance because her father was going to pick her up...hmmm.. where the fuck was the father 2.5 hours later?
" Police believe she was waiting for her father to pick her up outside the school "

No one really knows till she is able to state the facts.. and I am pretty sure she is not going to want to relive that memory anytime soon...
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sounds like some dumb shit the mexicans around here would do
but there is a fair share of shit for brain mexican kids that think shit like this is a GREAT idea
there are shit for brains people all over the world.
White, Black and Asian people do this stuff all over America.
Grow up.

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DUDE!! WTF!!! Eye for an Eye.. They should get Raped for 2.5 Hours Each, Then Castration... So they cant to it again... After they get the holy SHIT kicked out of them..
they will, in Jail.
Every week.
If not for this crime, probably another.
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well the good news is manuel ortega is gonna get raped in jail. hopefully they didn't put him in PC
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Well she sure learned her lesson. Thinking she's hot stuff twisting her ass over to a dark alley with a bunch of guys. I'm not saying she deserved it. But I will say that she should have seen something like that coming.
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Makes Sense... Although I DO NOT agree with what happened to her.. She should not have went in a DARK alley to DRINK with a Bunch of Random dudes... Common Sense should have told her....
She was lured in by a friend.
She trusted a person she knew wouldnt end up being a Judas.


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What happen to parents teaching young women never to trust men! These guys who did this are not men, there the lowest spineless bastards to walk the earth! I know at least one of them questioned what was happening but like sheep he put his head to the ground and didn't say a word!
Don't teach them not to "Trust men"
your gonna end up with some fucked up kids.
But you need to teach them to see a bigger picture, be street smart and recognize dangerous situations.
And the parents of the "men" are just as at fault.
What kind of parenting let your boys think that getting a girl drunk and "running a train" is acceptable?

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So she left the dance because her father was going to pick her up...hmmm.. where the fuck was the father 2.5 hours later?
I thought that right away.
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why is cameras the only answer?

Every single time something happens it's about cameras.

How about managing the f**king student body better?

Or better securing your events for kids who are attending,

or having more foot patrols or persons or administrators funneling people to appropriate areas etc after the event lets out.
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Pretty sad shit right there.

It seems easy to say that the girl in a way deserved it because she was a slut or something along that line.

But its still a pretty horrible crime. Truly sad shit for all humanity.

She probably thought that it was harmless and just wanted the attention.

But the attention turned into a horrible crime.

Truly sad. I hope those who did the crime pay for what they did to her.
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If a 15 year old girl is kicking and screaming in a dark alley with a bunch of guys acting suspicious, it isn't going to take 2 hours for it to get broke up.
Theres actually a clinical term for this.

Its from that case in Chicago where a lady was stabbed to death on the sidewalk in front of tons of people and everyone just watched.
Or the bus where the guy was beheaded a couple years ago and everyone just ran off the bus instead of stopping it.
Or the guy in St. Vincent island that assaulted and sawed a girls head off with a sword in rush hour traffic at the bus stop in front of hundreds.

ah, it's called "the bystandard effect"

"What is the Bystander Effect?

The term bystander effect refers to the phenomenon in which the greater the number of people present, the less likely people are to help a person in distress. When an emergency situation occurs, observers are more likely to take action if there are few or no other witnesses.

In a series of classic study, researchers Bibb Latane and John Darley (1) found that the amount of time it takes the participant to take action and seek help varies depending on how many other observers are in the room. In one experiment, subjects were placed in one of three treatment conditions: alone in a room, with two other participants or with two confederates who pretended to be normal participants.

As the participants sat filling out questionnaires, smoke began to fill the room. When participants were alone, 75% reported the smoke to the experimenters. In contrast, just 38% of participants in a room with two other people reported the smoke. In the final group, the two confederates in the experiment noted the smoke and then ignored it, which resulted in only 10% of the participants reporting the smoke.

Example of the Bystander Effect

The most frequently cited example of the bystander effect in introductory psychology textbooks is the brutal murder of a young woman named Catherine "Kitty" Genovese. On Friday, March 13, 1964, 28-year-old Genovese was returning home from work. As she approached her apartment entrance, she was attacked and stabbed by a man later identified as Winston Moseley.

Despite Genovese’s repeated cries for help, none of the dozen or so people in the nearby apartment building who heard her cries called police for help. The attack first began at 3:20 AM, but it was not until 3:50 AM that someone first contacted police.

Initially reported in a 1964 New York Times article, the article sensationalized the case, despite a number of factual inaccuracies. While frequently cited in psychology textbooks, an article in the September 2007 issue of American Psychologist concluded that the story is largely misrepresented mostly due to the inaccuracies repeatedly published in newspaper articles and textbooks.

Explanations for the Bystander Effect

There are two major factors that contribute to the bystander effect. First, the presence of other people creates a diffusion of responsibility. Because there are other observers, individuals do not feel as much pressure to take action, since the responsibility to take action is thought to be shared among all of those present.

The second reason is the need to behave in correct and socially acceptable ways. When other observers fail to react, individuals often take this as a signal that a response is not needed or not appropriate. Other researchers have found that onlookers are less likely to intervene if the situation is ambiguous(2). In the case of Kitty Genovese, many of the 38 witnesses reported that they believed that they were witnessing a "lover’s quarrel," and did not realize that the young woman was actually being murdered."



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I always do.
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You just need to nut up as a man and take responsability for society sometimes.
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there are shit for brains people all over the world.
White, Black and Asian people do this stuff all over America.
Grow up.
i love how you quoted only a selection of what i said

my point is i would NOT be surprised if this went down right down the street from me

i know the attitudes of the mexican teen groups over here and getting a 15 year drunk and raping her is in the cards of things they would do

however i would NOT expect this to happen from the black kids
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i love how you quoted only a selection of what i said

my point is i would NOT be surprised if this went down right down the street from me

i know the attitudes of the mexican teen groups over here and getting a 15 year drunk and raping her is in the cards of things they would do

however i would NOT expect this to happen from the black kids
Am i misunderstanding you??

You're saying Mexicans do this stuff, but other races dont??
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i love how you quoted only a selection of what i said

my point is i would NOT be surprised if this went down right down the street from me

i know the attitudes of the mexican teen groups over here and getting a 15 year drunk and raping her is in the cards of things they would do

however i would NOT expect this to happen from the black kids
Dude .. It happens in ALL Race's.. this isn't just a Mexican thing.. So because I am half Hispanic, am I Considered to have a motive or a unstrung feeling in the back of my Mind to Possibly Rape a 15 Yr old girl? Or should the White half take over and I just Rape/incest my OWN daughter?

Select your Words Better!

Look threw the News.. Whites/Blacks/Hispanics/Asain... Every Race has this problem as well..

No offense dude, but you might want to Remove Foot from mouth...
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Am i misunderstanding you??

You're saying Mexicans do this stuff, but other races dont??
nope, just saying im not as surprised a group of mexican kids did this.

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Dude .. It happens in ALL Race's.. this isn't just a Mexican thing.. So because I am half Hispanic, am I Considered to have a motive or a unstrung feeling in the back of my Mind to Possibly Rape a 15 Yr old girl? Or should the White half take over and I just Rape/incest my OWN daughter?

Select your Words Better!

Look threw the News.. Whites/Blacks/Hispanics/Asain... Every Race has this problem as well..

No offense dude, but you might want to Remove Foot from mouth...
please read my original post my girlfriend and most of my friends are mexican

not saying this is common place mindset, but it is a common place happening in the mexican neighborhoods where as in a black or asian neighborhood you hear more about drugs or violence

just my opinion like i said no hate take it for what you will
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"Manuel Ortega"

hrmmm

sounds like some dumb shit the mexicans around here would do

(no hate, most of my friends are mexican and so is my girlfriend)

but there is a fair share of shit for brain mexican kids that think shit like this is a GREAT idea

disgusting
Ok re-Read it.. I see the No Hate.. But Still where am I off here?

Please correct me if I am not understanding you correctly?

And that is just one guy... No one knows if it was ALL Hispanics.. Maybe a Mix.. No one knows but her.. and like I said before.. Probly not a memory she wants to talk about at this very minute..
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overall its sad how 15 year old girls dont wanna be or act 15 but they still are. just cuz they get big 15 and 16 b-day parties doesnt mean their ready to take on the world yet, but unfortunatly they feel like they can. seen this way too many times in my life and its f+cked up....I get scared of having my kids but I know with right parenting and actually TALKING to your kids about these situations will help.....However many never listen and learn the hard way...still very sad..
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Ew... shes gonna be scarred for life and probably got AIDs too
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^^ if not AIDS...it would suck ifshe ended up Prego.. that would be even harder for her..
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