2009-2010 NBA Season Thread

[FRpilot]

Have you guys seen this video?

http://www.dailypress.com/videobeta/...6c41&src=front

I've never been an Allen Iverson fan. I considered him to be too small to be a great all-around guard, even though he was a spectacular offensive player. I always viewed him as a selfish player and his off-court antics didn't help his reputation.

I know many players in the NBA have their own charities and donation foundations, but I found this interview to be very touching and after all these years I can finally see him growing up as a person through his words and becoming a better person in the future.

[FRpilot]

double post

idk how to embed vids for the life of me

[AkademikONE]

Is that the video about his scholarship foundation, the one where he cries? That was a very touching video. Shows
you that AI has a heart for students/kids/the less fortunate.

EDIT:

[FRpilot]

yes, but can't get the link to work either.

nvm got it.

[AkademikONE]

In the LAL-TOR summer league game, Ammo impressed me. Adam Morrison paced the Lakers with 24 points
on 9-of-17 shooting, plus 5 boards and 3 assists in a 85-84 win over Toronto.

[FRpilot]

its great that you are impressed, but as a warning, don't get too overly excited. i know a lot of warriors fan got fooled when mdj (mike dunleavy jr) dominated in summer league his rookie year and marco belinelli shot lights out one year, but were greatly dissapointed when they didn't turn out so great in the pros (dunleavy sort of redeemed himself in one season with the pacers).

how is sun yue doing? he looked really great in some videos before he got drafted. some people posted about him before he got into the NBA, and he looked really skilled for a PG. i had more hope for him to be a steal in the 2nd round than i have with Yi at #6.

[AkademikONE]

Oh I know, take that "impressed" lightly, lol. It shows good signs though, don't get me wrong.

Yue is not on the summer league roster. I really don't think he can get playing time in LA with Phil's reluctance to play
rookies/people who don't know the triangle. He runs in it practice, but practice and real games are completely different.
He has to bust his ass off in order to get playing time, and in LA's system, he just doesn't fit well right now. I would
LOVE to see him develop though. A 6'9" point guard is a fan's wet dream...

[monkz2332]

Boozer to the Bulls is in the works.

[PHLIP]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

*stuff*

You know what USUALLY happens when a coach comes in and preaches defense at a group of players who have not been previously asked/required to play it?
Yes, that's right... A locker room mutiny takes place and Terry Porter gets fired mid season.

Players willing to play on teams like this give an approximate fuck about actually WINNING anything, they care about padding their stat lines and the resulting fat cash such an act helps along.

[blasting_speed]

Dang, the summer league is heating up. I've never really paid this close attention to it before. Do these guys always hustle like this??? Jeez. It's awesome.

[AkademikONE]

Originally Posted by blasting_speed

Dang, the summer league is heating up. I've never really paid this close attention to it before. Do these guys always hustle like this??? Jeez. It's awesome.

Well, they're playing for a chance at a spot on an NBA team...

[BTP]

i pretty sure its all about Detroit now we have ben gordan and Charlie Villanueva.

[AkademikONE]

Originally Posted by BTP

i pretty sure its all about Detroit now we have ben gordan and Charlie Villanueva.

...with a shitty new coach.

[FRpilot]

ben gordan and charlie v?? hahaha...

unless joe dumars really sees something in these guys as "pieces" into building another team similar to the team he built with outcasted guys like billups, rip, prince, wallace, and wallace. you should be worried. but joe dumars is a good gm, so he must have some kind of vision.

[AkademikONE]

Odom will sign with the Lakers most likely on Tuesday.

[BTP]

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

...with a shitty new coach.

yeah they did mike curry dirty they could have let him couch one more year but benching rip Hamilton was the main reason he got canned i think.i think the new guy they are going with is garbage but well see i think Detroit is still goon be a sleeper team in the east.

[imnotmatt1189]

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

Odom will sign with the Lakers most likely on Tuesday.

link please

[PHLIP]

Originally Posted by BTP

yeah they did mike curry dirty they could have let him couch one more year but benching rip Hamilton was the main reason he got canned i think.i think the new guy they are going with is garbage but well see i think Detroit is still goon be a sleeper team in the east.

Yeah, it was the Rip Hamilton thing that got him canned... He coached like he wanted to try to win, when Dumars was OBVIOUSLY exploding the team looking to the future, and alienating a player that he wanted to keep (Hamilton) in favor of one who they had zero plans of paying (Iverson) was just silly.
Detroit will not be a contender this season, not with Orlando, Cleveland and Boston in the east. I mean, Detroit could make the playoffs, but shit so could Charlotte.

[OptionZero]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

Yeah, it was the Rip Hamilton thing that got him canned... He coached like he wanted to try to win, when Dumars was OBVIOUSLY exploding the team looking to the future, and alienating a player that he wanted to keep (Hamilton) in favor of one who they had zero plans of paying (Iverson) was just silly.
Detroit will not be a contender this season, not with Orlando, Cleveland and Boston in the east. I mean, Detroit could make the playoffs, but shit so could Charlotte.

If money weren't an issue, I wonder if anyone would have dealt Billups (and Amir Johnson, basically), for Gordon and Villanueva.

Then you account for the max money the former got, and it's a bad exchange.

I must begrudgingly acknowledge that Otis Smith did a good job despite losing Turkoglu. Bass at PF, Lewis to SF, and Carter to SG is pretty good. Still needs frontcourt depth.

[PHLIP]

Originally Posted by OptionZero

If money weren't an issue, I wonder if anyone would have dealt Billups (and Amir Johnson, basically), for Gordon and Villanueva.

Then you account for the max money the former got, and it's a bad exchange.

I must begrudgingly acknowledge that Otis Smith did a good job despite losing Turkoglu. Bass at PF, Lewis to SF, and Carter to SG is pretty good. Still needs frontcourt depth.

Well, he did have Iverson and Wallace coming off the books, lessening the blow of overspending up there.

As much as I detest Vince, I am still calling their offseason so far a good look, so long as they somehow retain Gortat (which they probably won't).

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

As much as I detest Vince, I am still calling their offseason so far a good look, so long as they somehow retain Gortat (which they probably won't).

Actually, there's been news that the magic are considering matching with Gortat dissapointed because he was looking forward to a starting position in dallas.

Gortat Disappointed That Magic Might Match Mavs' Offer Sheet -- NBA FanHouse


"I have a feeling now they (Magic) are going to match it,'' Gortat said Friday between Summer League Games. "That's what I'm hearing, they will match. We'll have to see, but I'm kind of down right now. Either way, I'll end up on a pretty good team.''

"I want to develop my game and become a better player,'' he said. "I just don't know if I'd be getting the same minutes to play here as in Dallas.''

"I've said all along, I think the number (his contract) is a little high,'' Smith said. "But that doesn't change how we think. One thing (signing Bass) doesn't have anything to do with the other (matching Gortat). I'm still working on a few other things, and until those transpire, it's kind of premature to say what we're going to do.''

"He (Smith) is like an iceberg,'' Gortat said. "You just never know about him. He can laugh. He can smile, and at the end of the day, it's no, no, no, they aren't going to match, and all of a sudden I'm finding out they might match.''

[OptionZero]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

Well, he did have Iverson and Wallace coming off the books, lessening the blow of overspending up there.

As much as I detest Vince, I am still calling their offseason so far a good look, so long as they somehow retain Gortat (which they probably won't).

That's the thing! They dealt Billups for Iverson and let Wallace go (to a division rival!!!) . . . for a redundant backcourt addition and half of Rasheed Wallace (CV has the offense, not the defense).

Sure, they got younger, but they didn't get better unless CV makes a giant leap in production.

They still have no center.

They let Amir Johnson go to MIL for free (Oberto's nonguaranteed deal).


With the most cap space in the league, they should have leveraged it to get a pick or two, OR evaluated which teams were desparate to move salary.


Utah, for example, would have probably given Detroit Boozer for minimal compensation. They use Boozer for 1 year, then they have another expiring and roll over the cap space to next year.

Or, they could have thrown a frontloaded deal at Millsap like Portland did (but even MORE frontloaded, since they have more free space).

Tyson Chandler is still available for free; if he were healthy (uncertain), he's an excellent addition.

The Bobcats could be talked out of Emeka Okafor.

Dampier has only one year left and Dallas could let him walk.

With max space they could have pried some compensation or cash out of Toronto/Dallas when they were trying to do the Turkoglu/Marion deal.

Overpaying for middling talent is how you make the least of cap space.

[AkademikONE]

Lamar Odom close to a 4yr/$36mil deal with LA. This off-season has been crazy.

[PHLIP]

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

Lamar Odom close to a 4yr/$36mil deal with LA. This off-season has been crazy.

Got a link supporting this?

[I LUV MY S13]

haha poor lebron

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

Lamar Odom close to a 4yr/$36mil deal with LA. This off-season has been crazy.

from what's been reported since yesterday, odom, didn't acknowledge the 4yr/$36M or 3yr/$40M offer and it's off the table now.

why is he playing hardball, that is a very reasonable offer to him. (he probably thinks he can get the $10M/yr he was asking for without any leverage) didn't he learn anything from ariza??

[AkademikONE]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

from what's been reported since yesterday, odom, didn't acknowledge the 4yr/$36M or 3yr/$40M offer and it's off the table now.

why is he playing hardball, that is a very reasonable offer to him. (he probably thinks he can get the $10M/yr he was asking for without any leverage) didn't he learn anything from ariza??

That news was a coupe days ago, the offer being put off the table. I received a rumor earlier, which is 75% right
most of the time (first broke the Gasol and Artest news to me hours before they actually broke the news). We'll see..

This LO rumor is really heating up. Michael Beasley is actually on a plane right now to LA, and has been thought
of to be part of a sign and trade to involve him, Boozer, and LO. The plot thickens...

Utah matches the Milsap offer sheet.

[PHLIP]

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

That news was a coupe days ago, the offer being put off the table. I received a rumor earlier, which is 75% right
most of the time (first broke the Gasol and Artest news to me hours before they actually broke the news). We'll see..

This LO rumor is really heating up. Michael Beasley is actually on a plane right now to LA, and has been thought
of to be part of a sign and trade to involve him, Boozer, and LO. The plot thickens...

Utah matches the offer sheet placed by Miami.

I would literally jizz my pants if we got Beasley and Boozer, even if it meant losing Odom.

[AkademikONE]

Originally Posted by PHLIP

I would literally jizz my pants if we got Beasley and Boozer, even if it meant losing Odom.

It's a supposed 3-team teade (LAL-MIA-UTA), so Beasley AND Boozer to LA will never happen.
It's all speculation though.

I can see why Pat Riley is gunning for Boozer and Odom. He wants to win NOW, and by the free agency
class of 2010, they'll have around $30mil in free cap space to use if they sign those players.

[imnotmatt1189]

i hope you're right akademikone. if we lose lamar for nothing than this season is going to be tough. boozer or beasley would be a good addition but i think i'd still rather have lamar then either of them because of his versatility.