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wow-thats-a-cool-car · 01-28-2009, 01:50 AM

i herd that cars make up for like 1 or 2 percent of pollution
the rest id from heavy industry and other countries with no smog laws
cows pollute more than cars....im pretty sure thats a fact

**mrmephistopheles** · 01-28-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VROOOM

cars in the 60's never came with smog equipment. how are they gonna make you smog the car??

I was saying 'what if'. Besides, legislation to require persons to change items they own isn't unheard of. Look at the DTV changeover. Tons of people are having to purchase converter boxes (rebate or not), and not by choice. It's not like the state can't pass a law requiring the installation of a catalytic converter on old cars.

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Originally Posted by mrflip69

Detroit really needs to step up. Try watching "Who Killed the Electric Car" some time. 40 miles is weak, if you look at the #s the EV1 put out at the time. We've got more efficient batteries and electronics now... 40 is fine for most people, but they can definitely do better.

Do some research dude. The Volt runs 40 miles before it STARTS USING GAS. It has a 1.6L 4cyl that powers a 53kW generator, which then charges the batteries. It moves under power from electric motors. Depending on how far you drive (and the duration of the charging cycles), your fuel economy changes. I'm interested to see what a full tank would net with one of those.
The Volt isn't meant to be a full electric car - it's supposed to be a range-extended electric car.

*Om1kron* · 01-28-2009, 04:20 PM

my car is considered illegal therefore, I don't think this has much more bearing on me than it already does... It cant pass smog now, it definitely wont be passing smog later.

kingkilburn · 01-28-2009, 05:15 PM

Calling co2 the main green house gas is kind of miss leading. It doesn't show how much of an effect water vapor has on the green house effect.

In reality most air pollution(that you see as smog) is particulate matter such as smoke particles, dust from agriculture, and diesel exhaust. If we regulate the emissions of all diesel fueled engines as well as finding ways to combat dust from farm equipment we will go along way to better air quality.

The problem is that you can't tax dust and fuel is taxed about as much as possible right now. When all the state government knows how to do is add taxes to things we wont have a realistic solution.

Phatz · 01-28-2009, 06:03 PM

yup, The Obama admin is hoping California will lead the way, enforcing heavy smog laws since we're a left wing state that has already above average restrictions for pollution. Don't get me wrong, as a surfer Im very conscious about the environment. But the example needs to be made on businesses that are mass polluters. They are responsible for way more of the pollution than cars...

*!Zar!* · 01-28-2009, 07:09 PM

People should be trying to fix it however they can instead of pointing fingers and so-and-so.

As they say, every little bit helps.

jmd8590 · 01-29-2009, 01:49 AM

The biggest cause of ozone depletion and the greenhouse effect strengthening are carbon emissions from power plants burning carbon. Carbon itself accounts for over 75% of the CFC's in our atmosphere.

HyperTek · 01-29-2009, 01:56 AM

is this really a good time to get stricter on vehicle emissions? esp with the economy in the way it is now... people will not drive as much, thus not spending as much etc etc

*drift freaq* · 01-29-2009, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Calling co2 the main green house gas is kind of miss leading. It doesn't show how much of an effect water vapor has on the green house effect.

In reality most air pollution(that you see as smog) is particulate matter such as smoke particles, dust from agriculture, and diesel exhaust. If we regulate the emissions of all diesel fueled engines as well as finding ways to combat dust from farm equipment we will go along way to better air quality.

The problem is that you can't tax dust and fuel is taxed about as much as possible right now. When all the state government knows how to do is add taxes to things we wont have a realistic solution.

Actually California finally started enforcing Smog laws on Diesel Particulates in 2008. There are now requirements in place for Diesel trucks in state to either be upgraded or removed from the road over the course of the next few years.

The Port of LA has instituted several of these requirements as well. They are even helping haulers either junk the Diesels they were using because they were 10 years or older and could not be upgraded or upgrade the newer ones.
Anyways truckers will kick and scream about this as the farms do about any regulations for them as well.

Just like Detroit kicks and screams every single time the government requires them to increase fuel mileage and in effect make cleaner burning cars in the process. Fact is Detroit fails already.

Fact is its not as hard on any of them as they would have you believe. Of course just like Hypertek just piped up with everyone will start using the economy as excuse not to do it now.

Guess what? Everyone will come up with some kind of hardship excuse anytime if it costs them one iota of a dollar to do.

The air in California is dirty its dirty from Diesel particulates from farm equipment and Diesel trucks. Wanna do something? Write your state senators about Diesels polluting more than cars. What about all the filthy trucks coming in from Mexico who does not have smog standards at all. Nafta baby, hahhahhahaha. We should not be allowing those pollution spilling trucks to enter the country until they clean up their act.

In the end its all about educating or legislators about what the real causes are so they can make an educated choice rather than a uneducated one.
Don't agree with the regulations? Think they are one sided? Take action, write letters, sign petitions for legislation.

kingkilburn · 01-29-2009, 02:40 AM

/\ Best post of the entire thread, right there.

water · 01-29-2009, 07:29 AM

Giving the states such abilities have the potential to make it impossible for car manufacturers to sell the same vehicle in all 50 states. Its quite absurd to give that kind of power to the states.

KA24DESOneThree · 01-29-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Actually California finally started enforcing Smog laws on Diesel Particulates in 2008. There are now requirements in place for Diesel trucks in state to either be upgraded or removed from the road over the course of the next few years.

The Port of LA has instituted several of these requirements as well. They are even helping haulers either junk the Diesels they were using because they were 10 years or older and could not be upgraded or upgrade the newer ones.
Anyways truckers will kick and scream about this as the farms do about any regulations for them as well.

Just like Detroit kicks and screams every single time the government requires them to increase fuel mileage and in effect make cleaner burning cars in the process. Fact is Detroit fails already.

Fact is its not as hard on any of them as they would have you believe. Of course just like Hypertek just piped up with everyone will start using the economy as excuse not to do it now.

Guess what? Everyone will come up with some kind of hardship excuse anytime if it costs them one iota of a dollar to do.

The air in California is dirty its dirty from Diesel particulates from farm equipment and Diesel trucks. Wanna do something? Write your state senators about Diesels polluting more than cars. What about all the filthy trucks coming in from Mexico who does not have smog standards at all. Nafta baby, hahhahhahaha. We should not be allowing those pollution spilling trucks to enter the country until they clean up their act.

Anyone and everyone should make a hardship excuse each and every time the government's actions cost them a dollar, half a dollar, even a cent.

I do not believe in anti-pollution measures enforced by the government or by a "national council." They are intrusions into our daily lives, intrusions which the government has no right to make.

Detroit could make more fuel-efficient vehicles, but the American public doesn't want them. The NHTSA and the DOT have regulations which all but prohibit truly small vehicles from our roadways and which increase the cost of new cars.

Because of the size and lifestyle of our country, the kei-car or something similar is simply not feasible. It'd be uncomfortable for the 26+% of obese Americans to drive or be a passenger in such a small car. The Smart is anything but, and it's the closest we've come to having a modern-day microcar.

This is a ridiculous topic because there are actually people in support of this kind of legislation. Didn't you people learn when the government gave a bailout to Chrysler to help them meet the standards the government imposed? The government actually had to give them money to pay for the government's own standards. We the consumers pay once for Chrysler's efforts when we buy a car and once more when we're taxed.

No new standards, no new anything. We need a roll back.

VROOOM · 01-29-2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Actually California finally started enforcing Smog laws on Diesel Particulates in 2008. There are now requirements in place for Diesel trucks in state to either be upgraded or removed from the road over the course of the next few years.

The Port of LA has instituted several of these requirements as well. They are even helping haulers either junk the Diesels they were using because they were 10 years or older and could not be upgraded or upgrade the newer ones.
Anyways truckers will kick and scream about this as the farms do about any regulations for them as well.

Just like Detroit kicks and screams every single time the government requires them to increase fuel mileage and in effect make cleaner burning cars in the process. Fact is Detroit fails already.

Fact is its not as hard on any of them as they would have you believe. Of course just like Hypertek just piped up with everyone will start using the economy as excuse not to do it now.

Guess what? Everyone will come up with some kind of hardship excuse anytime if it costs them one iota of a dollar to do.

The air in California is dirty its dirty from Diesel particulates from farm equipment and Diesel trucks. Wanna do something? Write your state senators about Diesels polluting more than cars. What about all the filthy trucks coming in from Mexico who does not have smog standards at all. Nafta baby, hahhahhahaha. We should not be allowing those pollution spilling trucks to enter the country until they clean up their act.

In the end its all about educating or legislators about what the real causes are so they can make an educated choice rather than a uneducated one.
Don't agree with the regulations? Think they are one sided? Take action, write letters, sign petitions for legislation.

I work for a huge trucking company that these emissions fall into. for the company i work for to become compliant would cost 160 million dollars. right now we have laid off half of our staff. there is no way the company can afford to spend that much money when we are losing money right now. the state wants the emissions to be so low that the technology isnt even out right now for the emissions they want in 2014. who knows if they will get the technology in the next 5 years.

the port regualations are wqorst the govt was giving out money to help owner/operators(guys with 1 truck) now the state is broke and not paying up. so these guys are screwed.

also the company i work for uses nafta and we have trucks going cross the border. Mexico made a law that made it illegal to bring dirty trucks(the one banned in US) into Mexico to get rid of them. so most trucks in mexico are not as bad as you think.

01-28-2009, 01:50 AM	#31
wow-thats-a-cool-car Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Torrance (Socal/down at the beach) Posts: 2,352 Trader Rating: (1)	i herd that cars make up for like 1 or 2 percent of pollution the rest id from heavy industry and other countries with no smog laws cows pollute more than cars....im pretty sure thats a fact __________________ I Weld Diff's PM me

01-28-2009, 04:20 PM	#33
Om1kron Violent Running Asshole Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: fontana, ca Age: 29 Posts: 3,367 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: Om1kron	my car is considered illegal therefore, I don't think this has much more bearing on me than it already does... It cant pass smog now, it definitely wont be passing smog later. __________________ Wayne T. Edwards Violent Running Tribe News Blog <---Peep This

01-28-2009, 06:03 PM	#35
Phatz Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 143 Trader Rating: (0)	yup, The Obama admin is hoping California will lead the way, enforcing heavy smog laws since we're a left wing state that has already above average restrictions for pollution. Don't get me wrong, as a surfer Im very conscious about the environment. But the example needs to be made on businesses that are mass polluters. They are responsible for way more of the pollution than cars... __________________

01-28-2009, 07:09 PM	#36
!Zar! Ezel verkrachtende schijteter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Milf Valley Posts: 9,462 Trader Rating: (2)	People should be trying to fix it however they can instead of pointing fingers and so-and-so. As they say, every little bit helps. __________________ -=Mel=-

01-29-2009, 01:56 AM	#38
HyperTek Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 10,637 Trader Rating: (0)	is this really a good time to get stricter on vehicle emissions? esp with the economy in the way it is now... people will not drive as much, thus not spending as much etc etc __________________ relax its just cars

01-29-2009, 01:49 AM	#37
jmd8590 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wildomar, Ca Posts: 85 Trader Rating: (0)	The biggest cause of ozone depletion and the greenhouse effect strengthening are carbon emissions from power plants burning carbon. Carbon itself accounts for over 75% of the CFC's in our atmosphere.

01-29-2009, 07:29 AM	#41
water Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: FL Age: 30 Posts: 367 Trader Rating: (0)	Giving the states such abilities have the potential to make it impossible for car manufacturers to sell the same vehicle in all 50 states. Its quite absurd to give that kind of power to the states.

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