ericcastro

Its not the will that drives them.
Its the addiction that drives them.
If they had a strong will, then they would have a better chance of stopping.
This mainly relates to harder drugs though.
Pot heads are generally pretty lazy about things.
Meth addicts are high strung.
Funny how the drugs change your brain chemistry huh??

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lost_generation

haha this thread rocks...I think everyone understands that alcohol can kill you if its overdone...and also makes you do worse things...not once in my life have I ever smoked a joint and woke up with herpies, but alcohol on the other hand....

haha... but seriously, I use to toke all the time, but i realized that when i did i never had any fun and just sat around "droned out" for hours... but sence i've stopped i tend to get things done and enjoy myself more

but if it were to become 50 state legal(medical or for enjoyment) i would rather have to drive 12hrs a little high than strait up sober(especially when you live in the great plains lol)

ericcastro

I think that if they were gonna make the hemp industry legal.
But use steril plants
the potheads wouldn't be fighting so hard for it.lol

they try and piggy back getting high legally with the advantages of hemp in industrial uses. lol

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joefresh

I have been a Medical Marijuana user for many years now.
i go to school full-time and work part-time.
I smoke all the time. i hit the weed until my eyeballs bleed.
point is Bud effects everyone differently.

ps- i have never had the desire to try ANY drugs.

AkademikONE

Can you answer this question if you have any experience in it. Thanks.

Matej

My brain cells were killed by this thread.

drift freaq

Actually no Eric you have it backwards. This is a very old school misconception about the disease of addiction and obsessive compulsive behavior. It is actually the will and I have first hand experience with this. I speak from knowledge here.


Alcohol is an addictive drug just likes drugs because it is a mind altering substance that some people feel compelled to use on a destructive basis. Now its actually been noted by the AMA (American Medical Association)
That their is actually genetic differences between normal people and Alcoholics and addicts. In that sense that genetic difference also shows up in these people being extremely strong willed people. Again I have first hand experience in this.

Now as far as drugs go the spectrum of the effect and the addictive effect is broad. You could pretty much say caffeine is at the low end of the stimulant spectrum and it is indeed addictive. Trust me, I don't start my day without my coffee. LOL and I enjoy a cup in the evening and I will pretty much go anywhere to get one if I feel I need one. lol

Marijuana does have an addictive effect as well otherwise you would not have potheads. I am sorry but If you smoke it morning noon and night for whatever reason you are addicted. I love it when a pothead says they can quite anytime. Take it away from them see how long they last and what they do to find or get more. lol
Again first hand experience talking here.

Yes Marijuana can be a gateway drug, even alcohol can be. Guy gets drunk at bar friend offers him a line of coke or speed tells him it will sober him up a but make him less sloshed feeling he goes hell ya lets do it. Bam gateway! Same thing with weed. All the weed smokers want to say oh but weed is natural man. Alcohol is natural, cocaine has a natural form, Heroin has a natural form, Speed even has a natural form its called ephedra and it comes from a plant!

All of this stuff is addictive and can be addictive, whether or not one becomes addicted relies on several factors. People with the different gene are predisposed to it and more likely to become addicted to a drug or even sex or gambling.
Fact is a workholic is addicted to working and have extremely strong wills about working that some people would call a good work ethic, but if it is detrimental to their social life, family life, if it affects other people around them in bad ways. Then its a problem and its the same thing a disease of addictive behavior and obssesive/compulsiveness.

I love the drug takers and pot smokers that say oh I don't do that anymore, I just drink and these fucks go out and get drunk on several nights of the week. Thats like switching seats on the Titanic your ass is going to go down sooner or later. It may take longer with Alcohol, in fact it usually does for some reason, hard drugs bring people down to a bottom faster. In the end though it can and does happen.

Oh and on the Pot side, pot is fucking insidious, you can smoke it for years thinking you're fine not realizing how stupid it makes you. LOL not realizing you do it all the time or even caring for that fact. Its a very subtle in its addictive ways. Usually it take several years of casual smoking before one figures out they are addicted and they still think they can quite at a moments notice. LOL

Go ahead get baked, I did, thank god I realized and along with the other drugs and alcohol I did I sought help. I got tools and learned about how to deal with it and my fucking strong ass will that would get me into trouble if I did not work to not let it control me.
Trust me any of you fucks say I don't have a strong will meet me the fuck in person. Oh and yes I am clean and sober.

If you want to use drugs great, I have no problem with that, we all have to go down the roads we choose in life. I don't regret what I have done, or the fact that I partied from the age of 13 to 26. I probably drank more and took more and smoked more than most of you will do in lifetime.

I have learned and experienced and I am grateful because I would not be the person I am today had I not chosen that road.
In the end just don't fool yourself. If you use pot for legitimate medical reasons, great. If you smoke it a couple times a month recreational, great. If you use it every day day in and day out for years. Yup your a pothead. lol just admit it.
With all of that like I said before it should be legal in my opinion. It would have less attraction if it was and like others have said it would cut down on the amount of criminals and possibly be good tax revenue.

ah shit look I went and wrote an essay on it. LOL

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murda-c

Well why not have the will to y'know, do the smart thing?

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joefresh

hey man, this is strictly up to the testing party. in California atleast, it is considered legitimate medication, so if you posses a doctors prescription the THC test results might be waved..again it is up to the testing party and as time goes on it is only getting better for MMJ patients. good luck and any other questions i will try and answer them to my best ability!

Matej

Tetrahydrocannabinol makes me think I'm smart and creative y'all.

joefresh

haha i felt like a mad scientist the first time i made hash. extracting cannabinoids and trichromes! haha.

ericcastro

See, I stopped myself from wasting time. lol.
And I havent caught up on research in the last several years probably. They were just finally realizing that Alcoholism is in the genes of some people. But people that dont have that gene can still get addicted people.
You feed something into your system, its gonna change your brain chemistry and your gonna end up "needing" after that.

Me and my mom usually talk about mental problems nowdays. She works for some really high profile, big money treatment centers in Malibu. She does alot of the intake now, lets other people deal with the patients, lol.

lol, and PCP makes people think they can fly.....

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joefresh

i dunno about flying but i did feel like i was floating. it was pretty intense.

96Turbo

why are people still claiming that weed is a gateway drug? Smoking a joint doesn't turn you into a drug addict like some of you are inferring

it's a logical starting point for a person that CHOOSES to alter their consciousness with drugs. When i go to the gym i'm not benching 300lbs my first time...gotta start somewhere, ya know?

If you decide that you really like working out and want to get buff, then you're going to work your way up (like someone who decides that their life would be best spent getting really, really high).

perhaps that's a bad analogy, but it's not weed's fault that people decide to use hard drugs. I've tried most everything short of sticking a needle in my arm....but i haven't done anything "hard" in a few years. It depends on your personality whether you're destined to be a hopeless crack fiend after smoking weed, or an occasional weekend toker.

weed does NOT make you stupid. It gives you a different perspective, opens your mind, makes you think in ways you never knew were possible, and god damn it everyone needs to listen to their favorite song high.

i liked the quote that said something to the effect of "the punishment is more detrimental to the individual than the effect of the drug"... I think that sums it up


You can relax and think things through instead of making a rash decision (weed vs. alcohol)

you can make a new friend instead of fighting someone (weed vs alcohol)

you can cruise down the road going exactly the speed limit with a big ass grin on your face listening to some good jams instead of driving recklessly, colliding with and killing a family in their minivan (weed vs alcohol)

you can have the foresight to STFU instead of blurting out some obnoxious shit that's bound to get your ass kicked (weed vs. alcohol)

you can wake up feeling refreshed and ready for a new day instead of lying in misery unable to eat or open your window blinds (weed vs. alcohol)

ALL YA NEED IS SOME GOOD SATIVA

drift freaq

Wow you really like to justify your pot smoking don't you? LOL.

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ESmorz

Why shouldn't one be able to justify their consumption of marijuana?

Personally, I think it's quite egregious that to this day regular good folks who toke up once in a while are viewed as "criminals" or "dirty hippies" doing nothing with their lives.

I think we can all agree that it totally depends on the user if it will become a "gateway drug". If this was not the case I could say as much about guns. If you buy guns, pretty soon you will start using them a lot. You won't even realize it, then you will probably get tired of shooting cans and deer. So logically you will go shoot some people at your local mall.

It's really hard to have this conversation on this website.

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drift freaq

Well if you start feeling the need to justify your usage then there is a chance you have a problem.
People who do not have a problem i.e. casual users who are not addicted do not feel the need to justify. It does not even enter their train of thought.

A non alcoholic does even think to justify having a drink a Alcoholic will find the excuse, and look for justification.

Mr Norml up there was stating so many reasons it starts to look like he is a stoner and a Pothead, maybe he is not. I was just laughing at it. You have seemed to take that rather to heart. You don't have a problem with smoking pot all the time too? do you? LOL

P.S. I don't view a casual pot smoker as a dirty hippie or criminal. Its their choice to do what they want to do.

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ESmorz

Ah, I have never taken anything on this site to heart but, we all know the perils of the internet and it's lack of ability to convey emotion.

The fact of the matter is, even a once in a blue moon recreational user can be called a stoner or a druggy just for sparking up every once in awhile. When people start calling you that for no reason, I think it is perfectly fine to justify your actions. Just like if someone called me an alcoholic, I would be offended because I barely drink.

If I was to have ever smoked weed, I may have possibly tried other substances. It wasn't because of the weed. It was because I wanted to experience them. Life is all about experiences. Addiction is for the weak, know your limits and know when to say no. It's a human issue when it all comes down to it.

It's pretty much like that kid who did stupid shit all the time when you were a kid. You knew him, that kid who would always eat shit, then the next week he would be eating something more dangerous and it was a perpetual cycle of retardation. People are stupid and will always be until we get rid of them. Just because some people cannot excercise self control, doesn't mean most of gen pop can't. If you disagree, I digress to the gun analogy again.

It's almost not worth arguing about though. I guess my mind is just so feeble that I can't coherently string together thoughts as to why it is not legal if alcohol and tobacco are besides the fact that "they have massive lobbying power". Yet people still cling to these notions that it goes deeper than that...

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96Turbo

I'm just expressing my opinion on the issue by justifying the use of said substance....wasn't that the whole point of this thread?

And to just label me as a stoner/pothead isn't exactly fair either. Just because i believe in women's rights doesn't make me a woman.

I've been a victim of the ridiculous penalties for possessing a harmless plant, and therefore feel pretty strongly that others shouldn't have to go through the same bullshit i did when they've done nothing to harm others (or even themselves for that matter).