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Old 12-11-2008, 04:33 PM   #121
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it seems that in a few weeks "mike" is going to have alot of people angry at him. Does mike have a business? What is it's name? If you put that into the california secretary of state website, you should be able to pull up his LLC or inc documents which will have an address on them.
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This will let you know the structure of his company. If he's a LLC then getting a judgment against him really can't be enforced unless his llc has assets. remember "FIFO". First in First Out. Anyone who sues him before you do gets first crack at any company assets. If there's a line already for him by suppliers or other pissed off people then you may be the 3rd or 4th person in line to get a piece of him and I don't think he's that big. If you really feel you're out $13k then you need to make a move for it now instead of later. If he's an s-corp then you may be able to work an angle towards his personal assets but even if you get a lien on his house or something. That lien won't be fulfilled and won't supersede the banks lien unless you force it to auction and then whatever is left over from the bank then is what you get. So if he's got alot of equity in his place you may come out on top and get paid. If he's upside down/or renting then your chasing your tail and generating legal fee's. Time is not on your side.
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Thanks for the great info. I already have the small claims paperwork in my hands. I just need to finish filling it out and have a notice sent to his house. I'm currently looking into having the sheriff's department send him the notice for a fee.

All I need is an address...and that info you gave me just might do it. I'll try it out.
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it seems that in a few weeks "mike" is going to have alot of people angry at him. Does mike have a business? What is it's name? If you put that into the california secretary of state website, you should be able to pull up his LLC or inc documents which will have an address on them.
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This will let you know the structure of his company. If he's a LLC then getting a judgment against him really can't be enforced unless his llc has assets. remember "FIFO". First in First Out. Anyone who sues him before you do gets first crack at any company assets. If there's a line already for him by suppliers or other pissed off people then you may be the 3rd or 4th person in line to get a piece of him and I don't think he's that big. If you really feel you're out $13k then you need to make a move for it now instead of later. If he's an s-corp then you may be able to work an angle towards his personal assets but even if you get a lien on his house or something. That lien won't be fulfilled and won't supersede the banks lien unless you force it to auction and then whatever is left over from the bank then is what you get. So if he's got alot of equity in his place you may come out on top and get paid. If he's upside down/or renting then your chasing your tail and generating legal fee's. Time is not on your side.
The only "idesign" (which is the company name he used on his invoice) is in Danville registered to a Franco something-or-other, not him. I do not believe he's "educated" enough to actually incorporate, and he really has no reason to - all of his business is transacted in cash. His mom put up a year's rent on his shop for him, so it might even be her name on the lease...
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The only "idesign" (which is the company name he used on his invoice) is in Danville registered to a Franco something-or-other, not him. I do not believe he's "educated" enough to actually incorporate, and he really has no reason to - all of his business is transacted in cash. His mom put up a year's rent on his shop for him, so it might even be her name on the lease...
If he has no corporate structure then suing Mike the person is what you want. Idesigns has no legal legitimacy. Labeling it fraud may allow it to not get the judgment discharged under a personal bankruptcy. I don't know if you can stretch fraud to a body shop dispute. You will need proof of your amount as well. More than one quote to fix from real companies. If you don't show up with an amount. (unspecified damages) then the judge will assign a value for you that you can't change later. Pictures highlighting what will have to be removed for it to be fixed will be important. Don't expect the judge to understand the phrase quarter pannel or rocker.

Depending on the county there will be a sherrif's officer that "serves" or a group of process servers. Process servers are more persistent as they're paid on how many they serve. You have really no option but to pay the fee. If he is artfull and hides from the server it can take upto a month for him to get a not appear and then depending on how busy the courts are about another couple of weeks for a court date. if you serve him and he no shows. Congrats you win. A judgement. A piece of paper at the court house.

He will have 30 days to pay it before you can proceed. (notice how this is a recurring theme. each step takes about 30 days) Now that he hasn't paid you, you can use that judgement and the power of the sherrifs office to enforce it. meaning you can lien assets and garnish wages (in some states, check cali statues or ask your lawyer) If he has no assets but drives a nice car you can go after that if he owns it. Just remember anything that has a previous lien on it from a bank supersedes your claim. It will be auctioned off at the court house steps. They have a once a month auction. It will fetch a liquidation price. whatever it fetches beyond what's owed will be removed from your judgement and sent to you as a check.

Once you get the defaulted (unpaid) judgement, file an information subpoena with the clerk. It will have questions as to the location of items. His air compressor, spray guns, paint, anything you think will be of value. If he's paid for 5 body kits and hasn't picked them up (of course you'd have to know about that) you could seize those even if they are due to other customers in this thread. They will need to be notified of this. You'll have to mail that to the clerks, and do so certified return receipt. Keep the receipt. he'll have 7 days to respond. If he doesn't, then go back to the courthouse file a contempt proceeding. Then you'll set another court date. If he doesn't show then he'll be in contempt. He'll have a bench warrant out for him. Once he's pulled over or renews his license inadvertently, he'll have to respond to that and then a sheriff will go onto the property to seize assets which will be auctioned off at the liquidation auction at the court house steps. That information subpoena is what you will use to get a wage garnishment against him. It will be executed at the sheriffs office. You'll need to file other documents with the court.

If he files personal bankruptcy. All these proceedings stop, until the debtor comes out of court and the trustee rules if the debt is discharged. Hence why fraud is more important. As if it's labeled fraud, it can't be discharged.

(I'm not a lawyer, I'm not your lawyer, take this with a grain of salt from a small business guy who has chased people down before, not everything may apply to your state, this is how it's done in florida, I feel it's necessary for people to understand how lengthy and expensive the legal process is. Everyone is sue happy because they think once they win the judgement money falls from the sky. It doesn't. That's like step 1 of 5. Everytime you file a document there is a clerk fee or a document fee etc etc. each trip will cost you $20 or so bucks. There's probably $200 in doc fees to grind it out to completion. I did this for "principal" once. Was the biggest waste of time. I understand your mad and angry but you need to make sure that it doesn't consume you or relationships suffer as this is a frustrating process)
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Doesn't surprise me at all. I heard about that but didn't know it was you. What was missing?
Random missing parts that shouldn't be missing. Alot of misc. bolts missing, shitty paint job, original paint work not finished. It was supposed to take 2 weeks to finish and ended up taking several months. Paid in full up front as well. Was supposed to cost a lil over 2k for full repaint, but ended up over 3k cause of additional rental car fees I shouldn't of had since it was only supposed to take 2 weeks.

There has been times where I think I should just take the matter into my own hands, but being older means having more to lose. Guess he's lucky I'm not that type of individual anymore.

I know where he lives as well. It's not far from the shop. Don't know the address, but I've driven to his house a couple times and can get there from memory.
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There has been times where I think I should just take the matter into my own hands, but being older means having more to lose. Guess he's lucky I'm not that type of individual anymore.
Exactly how I feel. There was a time when I would jump at the chance to go punk somebody like that for principle, but now it's just not worth it.
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Actually, there will be.

Final quotes from other body shops were done last week(for court purposes).

So, David @ Angry Panda will begin the body work next week.

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So when are you guys going to court? Did Mike get a subpeona?
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Brian is actually going to court tomorrow for the paperwork I believe.

He'll also be paying a sheriff to get the subpoena to Mike.

I'll talk to Brian about it tomorrow morning and give you guys an accurate update to see where we stand.
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What I posted on my350z.

New VS-XX will be ordered tomorrow.

I believe the sizes are 19x10 +5, 19x11 -5, but I'll get the correct sizes today.

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So, David @ Angry Panda sent me these pictures to post for you guys.

























































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they do some awesome work.. do they cut/put slots in the fiberglass to relieve stress/reform it?
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Update time.

Paint has been ordered.











Custom, one off color.

Battleship/solid gray looking base, custom pearl.

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The car *should* be finished up before the 27th this month with new 19" VS-XX ordered straight from Work in Japan.

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I'm loving that color! You have NO IDEA how hard I've been trying to replicate that color for my RC car. So freaking hard!
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Damn this was quite the ordeal...Nice to see some positive progress...
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they do some awesome work.. do they cut/put slots in the fiberglass to relieve stress/reform it?
They made those slots to mark where to cut it so they can reshape the kit. It was off by a lot.

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Damn this was quite the ordeal...Nice to see some positive progress...
Yes, it has been a very long time. I can't even remember how it feels to drive my car anymore. I can't wait for it to be done!
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dude i feel sorry for you man

you should have known a little when the price was so low. but even at that the kit should have just kinda had shitty paint. not fucking thrashing your poor car what a fucking hack. to do things right its not cheap damn my little just ski cost me $800 to paint it.

but im glad you are getting your car fixed
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Well, I thought I was getting the work done at cost because his business was slow (at least, that's what he told us). So Johnny and I wanted to help him out and give him business. We were going to let everyone know about his work and refer people to him.

Now, we're just letting everyone know about his work. It's up to them if they want to go to him or not.
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Well, I thought I was getting the work done at cost because his business was slow (at least, that's what he told us). So Johnny and I wanted to help him out and give him business. We were going to let everyone know about his work and refer people to him.

Now, we're just letting everyone know about his work. It's up to them if they want to go to him or not.
I drove by the old shop location - it still says "Import Image" on the sign, and it's still a body shop... but I didn't see him or his Camry anywhere around.

I'd be interested to hear what Ol' Mike is up to these days, now that he's basically out of business lol.
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is that the same kit that brian had ordered through me?
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I drove by the old shop location - it still says "Import Image" on the sign, and it's still a body shop... but I didn't see him or his Camry anywhere around.

I'd be interested to hear what Ol' Mike is up to these days, now that he's basically out of business lol.
Do you know how to get in contact with him that fucker owes me over 650 for a body kit a never fucking recieved. I HATE THAT ASSCLOWN.

Good to see that 350z is getting fixed from that Fucking idiot.
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I drove by the old shop location - it still says "Import Image" on the sign, and it's still a body shop... but I didn't see him or his Camry anywhere around.

I'd be interested to hear what Ol' Mike is up to these days, now that he's basically out of business lol.
He is getting business from the local shops. Somehow, people still don't know about his work.

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Yes, that is the same kit I ordered through you. Angry Panda had to do a loooot of adjustments/modifications to it. He hates me for it!

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Do you know how to get in contact with him that fucker owes me over 650 for a body kit a never fucking recieved. I HATE THAT ASSCLOWN.

Good to see that 350z is getting fixed from that Fucking idiot.
I'm really excited about getting my car back! It's going to look nice! If you guys want to contact him, I found out he has a new site. Just as I said before, he's still getting business somehow from the local shops referring people to him. I know one of those shops is Autohaus on Valley.

Mike's new site is:

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Haha.

Only reason I see Mike being able to stay in business is by getting customers who've never heard of this ordeal.

Another way we can totally fuck him over is by reporting him to the city for shooting paint and not using a booth.

Judging by his responses on Yahoo, we're fairly positive that he's going to come up with some bullshit ass excuse saying we were at fault for blah blah blah and yack yack yack.

So, once this is all said and done in court, I hope he goes out of business for good.

Anyway, here's the latest work done at APF.





Eddie, nothing against you, but the kit fit like crap.

You gave us a great price(which we really do appreciate), but god damn. The kit was totally off in so many sections, wavy as hell, and poorly made overall.

It's taken 12+ hours on ONE sideskirt to make it fit properly.(working on it over the span of a few months).

I don't think I'll order Origin ever again.

Screw that.
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I can't believe he's still in business.

What's the status of the legal action against him? I thought you guys had a judgement already, and were just pursuing collection - and I also thought that he was 'closed down' because of it...
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The court date was postponed because we couldn't serve him in time.

I'll let Brian chime in on this one though since he's the one that really knows what's going on with all the legal mumbo-jumbo.

He was supposedly losing his business because of this incident, but apparently not.
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Eddie, nothing against you, but the kit fit like crap.

You gave us a great price(which we really do appreciate), but god damn. The kit was totally off in so many sections, wavy as hell, and poorly made overall.

It's taken 12+ hours on ONE sideskirt to make it fit properly.(working on it over the span of a few months).

I don't think I'll order Origin ever again.

Screw that.
yeah well i tell people all the time, most of the time knockoffs fit better than the real thing...and they NEVER believe me...but you got what u wanted, REAL Origin

nothing against you or brian (just speaking in general here)....but maybe next time someone will listen to me
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