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Is that a load of BS or what?

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renegade_ewok

Technically it isn't BS.

Find a law that says you have to pay the federal income tax...

If you don't do it though, prepare to be fucked by the IRS... by power which technically shouldn't exist.

drift925

From my understanding, taxes were only ment to be paid by businesses or corporations before WW2, and once the US went into war, they enforced taxes on individuals to help pay for the war. Once the war was over, they kind of just left the process in place and it is what it is today?

WanganRunner

Yep.

I'm not sure what the legal justification is that requires people to pay. If anyone finds out, post it up.

RJF

That's what I meant by being BS....try and not pay your taxes and you'll be guest of the government in the cross-bar hotel.

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Om1kron

if you dont pay what they say you owe they just garnish your money or if you're rich like wesley snipes you could go to court after not paying millions and just file an appeal which will take years and thousands of more tax dollars to resolve.

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drift freaq

with a screen name like renegade ewok one wonders if you have already tested this. LOL

Honestly though Mr Reid is both correct and incorrect. There are Tax laws in place requiring a person to report. Now if your good with accounting you can minimize what you pay. Though the bigger picture here is the Federal Government needs taxes to exist. Now does it overspend? Yes, thank you liberal Democrats and the ultimately strangest Republican ever George W. i..e he spends like a liberal Democrat. Oh and before anyone labels me a Republican for that comment, realize these are observations on actual truths and nothing more and do bear on my political standing.

Now should the tax system be reworked in a word yes. I have a lot of thoughts on this subject i.e a National sales tax, a flat tax etc. I am not going to go into that.
The IRS exists because they have to have it to collect taxes. It also employees a lot of people. Do not expect it to go away because of that.
Should it not exist. Well people can say that but who would oversee the collection of taxes?

I love these people that say you do not have to pay taxes, there are no laws, the IRS should not exist. Ya and how the fuck is the system going to function? If you don't have answers then don't speak up about that shit because your talking out your ass. Ya I said that. Why because the truth is unless your uber smart with a system that will finance the running of this country and work, not paying taxes and eliminating the IRS, will just make even more of a mess than we already have.

I.E. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Mi Beardo es Loco

technically there ARE laws for income tax, but what they are taxing is not income, it's earnings. Income, under the tax laws, only comes into play for business owners and is treated more like profit than income. Now, on the other hand, yes, the federal government only exists because of taxes but SHOULD only tax through spending. upping the spending tax from 7% to 11% would save the government a boat load of cash and save the common person some money along the way. Really, the only people it will effect harshly is the people that buy buy buy buy buy.
This is why there is a quite bit of confusion on this subject. And there's also strange rules that if you're arrested for tax evasion and the arresting police officer has a firearm, the case is thrown out of court! Strange small print in tax laws there is.

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atom

Except it's not true. The three biggest pork barrel spenders in congress are all republicans. Congressmen pushing through frivolous earmarks is not a Dem. or Repub. issue, both sides are equally bad.

Back to OT.

The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments - Section I

Read up............

Mi Beardo es Loco

You're right. The fact that Republicans are so corrupt isn't a new thing but it makes me question the entire Republican party. TRUE Republicans, like Ron Paul, are viewed as loony and anti-American. The Republican party was based on a conservative value towards government and spending. Also, both parties, Rep and Dem, are supposed to uphold the Constitution to it's fullest, while as of late the Constitution has been used as toilet paper.

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drift freaq

First off not all Republicans are corrupt and thats a blanket statement. I expect better from you. Second off there are as many corrupt Democrats as there are Republicans possibly more.

You guys really need to study the history of the two parties. Democrats are notoriously the spending party vs the Republican party. Its a historical fact.

Now there are Democrats that do not spend as much as our Republican jack ass President has spent, who has spent like no Republican has spent before.

Though do your studying before you speak about this. I know I have lived with a Republican father for all of my life and I can tell you Republicans are not the big spenders in Government and it you think they are you fail Politics 101.

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Drift Freaq you should be our president, i would vote for you.

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atom

Historical precedence has no relevance to whats going on RIGHT NOW.

Both Democrats and Republicans have been spending out of control over the past 8 years, and if you really want to argue otherwise, well, I don't even know what to say.

Mi Beardo es Loco

bro, I'm a moderate Republican. I was speaking in present day. And the fact that I said how the Republican party has been corrupt, I was not excusing the Democratic party at all. I just believe that any party that justifies and lies like the Republican party has over the past 8 years makes me sick to my stomach. This is why I stated "The Republican party was based on a conservative value towards government and spending." I agree with you about the Republican premise.
And I'm just one of the hundreds of thousands of Republicans who will NOT be voting for McCain also. His war policy to way too aggressive and misdirected. Also, a president is supposed to be the best and brightest, not a man who finished 894th out of 899 in the Naval Academy. Also, I want to point out that his father was the only reason he was considered to go to the Naval Academy. He has a history of bad grades in school, and making bad decisions. Just my opinion on the guy.

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Mi Beardo es Loco

To be fair though, spending has slowed down over the last 2 years since we've went with a primarily Democratic congress. Bush shit the bed and is the worst Democrat in history. He is the exact opposite of what Republican politics are all about....well, everything but the god thing.

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mRclARK1

This is technically true. No federal law states the income tax in the US (and many other countries, including Canada as well) MUST be paid. I remember my father being told this by a tax attorney at one point even, but he said even he couldn't fight the shitstorm that came with not paying it. lol

So go ahead and try NOT paying it though and see what happens.

Unless it's been changed between now and then? Haven't really cared. There's also a reason why the Federal tax laws in paper form is a LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG read. haha. IIRC one of my uncles (also an attorney) told me that all of it stacked is taller than most people. haha

Remember the two things you can't avoid are death... and taxes.

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atom

Honestly I give more credit to the media than I do to the Democratic majority. Media scrutiny over stupid pet projects like the "bridge to nowhere" have raised public awareness of how wasteful our government has become. The Dems just stepped in and tried to portray themselves as the ones who were gonna clean up this mess when they were as much at fault as the republicans.

I'm not even a McCain fan, but really he is the one person in congress that has consistently spoken out about government waste. He has practically zero personal earmarks and his state of Arizona has the lowest amount of pork barrel spending, so I give him that much credit.

Mi Beardo es Loco

McCain has done a wonderful job in Az but I disagree that he's represented the state well. He's missed 10 of the last 14 congressional hearings!!! Also, he claims "call your congressmen and tell them to get back to work" when he's the least active congressman in the country and has been since 1982.
He tries to ploy off the media and create himself to be something he's not. just like how he's trying to create Obama as an elitist when Obama only has a single house.....a nice house, but still a single house. McCain has 8 houses and ALL of them are over 1mil. He's a hypocrite and he'll literally do ANYTHING to become president.

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midnight zenki

Only if you get a shitty lawyer and a mis-informed jury.

Watch "America Freedom to Facism". Taxes on labor in exchange for service, aka work in exchange for currency is not taxable as income per the Supreme Court through a couple decisions that have stood since the 1920's. Income tax is defined per the Supreme Court as gains or interest alone.

The IRS will however take you to court, slander and defame your character and pray on the fear and ignorance of the average person in order to convict their peers of exercising their rights. Lower Court Judges have blatantly disregarded the Supreme Courts rulings and still convict individuals of tax evasion because they need all the money they can get in order to sustain the ever increasing debt that the government continues to amass. Income tax doesn't even dent the deficit and does not contribute any public service contrary to what they want you to believe. Gas taxes pay for roads, property taxes pay for schools, every other tax on everything you buy (soon to include all internet sales) payes for all infrastructure not the income tax

Fuck the IRS and the Federal Reserve, we are being bullied by our own government and a bank that owns our currency that isn't even controlled by the People. Get informed, if enough people understood this the courts would be so flooded that the IRS would quit illegaly collecting "income" tax from the average person and get the message.


P.S.

This is not a Democrat or Republican issue period. This is a civil liberties issue and an infringment of our rights due to the willing negligence of the entire government, that means both party's.

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drift freaq

All good points in the discussion here( except the person who posted directly above me). While people have made statements that looked one sided or decidedly biased they have managed to come back and clarify rather well.
I guess we can all agree on a couple of things while taxes being voluntary the actual filing is required by law. That is a statue.
Now you can file 0 and its up the IRS to determine if you owe more than 0 of course if you do not file the right amount and they do asses you they will come after you for it. Though usually they do not so much as go after the little guy as they do the bigger earners.
Though I posted earlier this statement and I post it again. In order for our Government to function even under a balanced budget with reduced spending it still requires funding. Funding has to come from somewhere. At the level of size our country is the infrastructure to run it is not going to come cheaply. This is not 1776. This is 2008. If everyone did not pay their taxes we would fall apart have chaos. Now if your an Anarchist then your in heaven. lol For the rest of us it would pretty much suck.
So again I say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not paying taxes is not the answer to correcting the problems.

On the current Political situation , well I think that most of the posters in this thread can agree, neither candidate is the kind of choice we would normally like to see in a Presidential race. For numerous reasons.

I would be the first to say that I find Obama not completely qualified and speaking in sound bytes that people want to hear rather than speaking with background and substance. IMO

I will also say McCain while being a Maverick in congress and not being financially a pork barrel Politician, has stated positions that I do not like. Yet I just wish people would get off the sawhorse of saying he is another Bush. He is not and is different. Is this a ringing endorsement for him no. I am just tired of people who don't know lumping into a catagory out of ignorance.
I might add a lot of these same people know nothing about Obama. I have relatives in Illinois. They have told me what they think of Obama. They call him a empty suit. Why? He has done nothing of achievement in the Illinois state senate or as a Senator for them Nationally. No track record.

So in the end I am left scratching my head. WTF.

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Mi Beardo es Loco

very well said +1 for you sir.

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Mi Beardo es Loco

I agree. I also hate to sound like a trendy college student but Ron Paul is where it's at!

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SexPanda

Shit. There are only 2 things in life that are Guaranteed.

Death

And Taxes.

Now, if they just revamped the tax system to be FAIR (which isnt going to happen) I'd be pretty damn happy. Right now, I am paying more taxes, per dollar, than Bill Gates. something like 29% after its all done. He's paying, I want to say IIRC, 2%. If I was paying 2% and he was paying 29%, everyone would be happy.

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Matej

Here's another video on "voluntary" taxes.
YouTube - NO INCOME TAX LAW FORMER "IRS" AGENT JOE BANNISTER PART 1

It's basically an old loophole that for some reason hasn't been rewritten yet. Speculators keep trying to take advantage of it, and it usually doesn't end well for them.

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98s14inaz

Well said. The worst part is that those of us who actually know our rights and try to tell others are labeled as moonbats and wearers of tin foil. Fear of not being part of the majority is what keeps our country together. If it wasn't for that fear manipulating us this country would be in the middle of a second revolution.

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alexander500

Those are just stupid facts, probibly reported by the "liberal" media. I only listen to conservative propaganda, were they make something up and say it is a well known fact.

midnight zenki

[quote=drift freaq;2269536]In order for our Government to function even under a balanced budget with reduced spending it still requires funding. Funding has to come from somewhere. At the level of size our country is the infrastructure to run it is not going to come cheaply. This is not 1776. This is 2008. If everyone did not pay their taxes we would fall apart have chaos. Now if your an Anarchist then your in heaven. lol For the rest of us it would pretty much suck.
So again I say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not paying taxes is not the answer to correcting the problems.

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Well said, however all the taxes you pay on everything else fund our government. The sky isn't going to fall chicken little, income tax as I said before doesn't even contribute a noticible difference to the national debt so don't try to play that card. Everything else is taxed and those taxes support infrastructre at a local and federal level. Your right on the 1776 thing, it's 2008 our population is exponentialy increasing so that argument is null and void. MORE PEOPLE=MORE TAX MONEY. These people all buy the same things that are being taxed so more money is being generated to support our horribly fragile system that you are so fearful of having collapse because you are afraid to upset the status quo. I am no anarchist, it's called a libratarian.

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drift freaq

Oh you just had to come in here and spout your uniformed rhetoric. See most of the other people in this discussion discussed stuff from a pretty informed position. You just had to result to propaganda . Yes thats a political cartoon and pretty much propaganda. If you guys keep on resorting to youtube for your facts this whole debate is going to down the tubes. Matej how many times have you stuck your foot in your mouth in political discussions here? Yet you keep on coming back for more. You need to study Politics a lot more than just posting a political cartoon and citing a youtube video about a disgruntled IRS agent . If you keep on failing on the ability to bring actual knowledge of the system to uphold your position, you fail period.
Matej I suggest you stay out of this discussion because you usually speak out of shear ignorance and what you posted above once again proves that.

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alexander500

Matej's post contains actuals facts and a historical timeline. Both things you have mentioned in your posts, but have failed to produce.