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*ronmcdon* · 10-20-2009, 08:15 PM

pics of Celica.
I see the resemblance in the front,
maybe not the rear.

God that was an ugly car.

*SimpleS14* · 10-20-2009, 08:28 PM

wow...looking at this picture, the gap between the hood and bumper is horrid.

Lexus Lf A 0 — Autoblog

^-- More pics in that gallery

*deolio* · 10-20-2009, 08:58 PM

i hate it. the body styling is just all over the place.

S13shaka · 10-21-2009, 07:18 AM

The pricetag according to Lexus is going to be around $350,000

*SimpleS14* · 10-21-2009, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S13shaka

The pricetag according to Lexus is going to be around $350,000

$375,000

Tokyo 2009: Lexus reveals $375,000 LFA supercar...finally [w/VIDEO] — Autoblog

That exhaust note is zOMG

*exitspeed* · 10-21-2009, 09:41 AM

$375 is too much IMO. I'm sure they will sell plenty but I'd rather have a GTR and save over $200,000.

*ronmcdon* · 10-21-2009, 12:35 PM

Yeah, it's a Toyota.
375k is going to be a stretch.
It's tough imagining any rich dude shopping between a Ferrari & a Toyota.

The R35 GTR is very reasonable and priced much more realistically.

*drift freaq* · 10-21-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

$375 is too much IMO. I'm sure they will sell plenty but I'd rather have a GTR and save over $200,000.

Ditto on this statement. They are doomed at that price tag. They are doomed even at 200k. This car is going to go down in the annals of history just like the 2000GT, while it was a great car, it was way over priced and did not sell.

A few people will buy it to be different though like others have said in the that price range? There are cars with so much more prestige its just silly.

ranger240 · 10-21-2009, 12:51 PM

375..

that will buy you a ferrari 430 and a GTR daily driver...

hemmm or some goofy looking lexus

*exitspeed* · 10-21-2009, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ditto on this statement. They are doomed at that price tag. They are doomed even at 200k. This car is going to go down in the annals of history just like the 2000GT, while it was a great car, it was way over priced and did not sell.

A few people will buy it to be different though like others have said in the that price range? There are cars with so much more prestige its just silly.

I personally don't see anyone thinking this as being better then a Ferrari or Lambo. Lexus still has that "expensive Toyota" stigma about it. An expensive Toyota is fine up to $150k IMO, but nearly $400,000 is just nuts. And from the sounds of it it's not even going to be as fast as a GTR.

Toyota did right on the TF86, but the price on the LFA is just absurd.

*SimpleS14* · 10-21-2009, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ditto on this statement. They are doomed at that price tag. They are doomed even at 200k. This car is going to go down in the annals of history just like the 2000GT, while it was a great car, it was way over priced and did not sell.

A few people will buy it to be different though like others have said in the that price range? There are cars with so much more prestige its just silly.

Maybe this car will be just as rare as the 2000GT.

I see a collectible in the making.

ranger240 · 10-22-2009, 12:37 PM

awesome topgear article

Quote:

Welcome to Tokyo 2009, the first post-crunch motor show.

So, what was here for the petrolhead in us? Well, the Lexus LFA got its public launch and you might think such extravagance was unwarranted in these tight times. But actually this thing is strictly an image builder for Lexus. They’ll lose money on every one they make. So it’s better for them to launch it at a time when they won’t sell many, and that way they lose less money in total. Bizarre.

Tokyo motor show news - Post-crunch motor show - 2009 - BBC Top Gear

BONUS:

make your own UGLY LFA

http://ww2.lexus-lfa.com/index.html

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/l...mpaign=ongoing

post up pics of your ugliest creations

meteorite_flo · 10-23-2009, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranger240

375..

that will buy you a ferrari 430 and a GTR daily driver...

hemmm or some goofy looking lexus

Dude, I am so with you on that. All my friends think this car is the shit, and they're going to get on me saying, "OH!? Because it's not a Nissan huh?" Like WTF!? I will assume it performs well(it better for 375k), but that shit is buttfuck UGLY.

*axiomatik* · 10-26-2009, 11:37 AM

Kind of repeating what I posted on aAutoblog...

$375k is totally unrealistic. Even though they are only building 500 of them, they are going to have trouble selling them outside of Japan. For that kind of money, why wouldn't I buy a Ferrari, Aston or Lambo? Brands that have long and storied histories of building sports and racing cars. Lexus has a history of building Japanese Buicks. Acura could barely sell the NSX at $90k, trying to compete against the 911 in a much larger market. The LFA is obviously more advanced than the NSX, but it's priced in serious supercar territory, where the only buyers are the super-rich. People who are very image and brand concious.

I think Toyota realizes how hard it will be to sell them. That's why they have capped production at 500. That way, if they sell all of them, they've artificially lowered the supply in hopes of maintaining it's collectability. If it's a flop, they can say they never meant to sell many. I'll be curious to know if they ever sell all 500.

*drift freaq* · 10-26-2009, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

Kind of repeating what I posted on aAutoblog...

$375k is totally unrealistic. Even though they are only building 500 of them, they are going to have trouble selling them outside of Japan. For that kind of money, why wouldn't I buy a Ferrari, Aston or Lambo? Brands that have long and storied histories of building sports and racing cars. Lexus has a history of building Japanese Buicks. Acura could barely sell the NSX at $90k, trying to compete against the 911 in a much larger market. The LFA is obviously more advanced than the NSX, but it's priced in serious supercar territory, where the only buyers are the super-rich. People who are very image and brand concious.

I think Toyota realizes how hard it will be to sell them. That's why they have capped production at 500. That way, if they sell all of them, they've artificially lowered the supply in hopes of maintaining it's collectability. If it's a flop, they can say they never meant to sell many. I'll be curious to know if they ever sell all 500.

500 gets them into racing under homgolation rules . I.E. they build 500 they can take the car racing in Super GT(I think that's the new name) aka what used to be JGTC.
It would also allow them into the American Le Mans series etc...

American Le Mans is were you see cars like the Spyker and Panoz( I have only ever seen one on the road and I have pics of it because it was parked in my neighborhood, LOL), and other brands you never see on the road but run on the track because they do the same thing. I.E. Making expensive low production number cars that wind up doing more racing than anything else.

*SimpleS14* · 10-26-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

500 gets them into racing under homgolation rules . I.E. they build 500 they can take the car racinging Super GT(I think that's the new name) aka what used to be JGTC.
It would also allow them into the American Le Mans series etc...

American Le Mans is were you see cars like the Spyker and Panoz( I have only ever seen one on the road and I have pics of it because it was parked in my neighborhood, LOL), and other brands you never see on the road but run on the track because they do the same thing. I.E. Making expensive low production number cars that wind up doing more racing than anything else.

That's a good assessment and makes perfect sense. Toyota needs a good contender in Super GT.

*OptionZero* · 10-26-2009, 10:29 PM

Autoblog had an interesting take:

Let's go back to the bird's eye view. Toyota opted for a carbon fiber structure as opposed to aluminum, and while we almost/sorta/kinda buy the line about the previous prototypes not meeting specific targets, it would've been far less expensive to manufacture the LFA out of metal rather than the exotic and expensive weave. By doing everything in-house, Toyota's learned plenty about the mass production of carbon fiber and, possibly, how to bring costs down to a more manageable level – maybe even less than aluminum.

. . .

The age of automotive lightness is nearly upon us, and unconventional wisdom says that the automaker who brings composite production costs out of the stratosphere is going to have a huge advantage going forward. The LFA is a test bed for that development – the first massive leap for the world's largest automaker.

While weight reduction is something all enthusiasts are clamoring for, Toyota's first application is the hyper-expensive LFA. Far, far below that is the FT-86 Concept, which Toyota asserts is the model for lightweight sports coupes going forward. So they've got the LFA at the top and the FT-86 at the bottom... what's in between?

We don't know, but we wouldn't be surprised if Toyota unveils something in the next few years that takes the lessons learned from the LFA and distills them into a lightweight, sub-$100k package. That model – if not that specific vehicle – seems to be the direction President Akio Toyoda is aiming for... and until then, the LFA is here: A harbinger of the future and proof that immensely entertaining things are on the way from Toyota. Finally.

Read the full article for actual driving impressions of the LFA.

Yes, the pricetag is retarded and they are STILL reportedly taking a loss on each vehicle sold (on a straight cost of production versus price comparison).

Yes, selling only 500 is retarded.

Yes, the styling is retarded.

But as Autoblog observes, if designing, building, and selling the LFA also comes triggers the advantage of economies of scale of carbon fiber/aluminum construction and that design work trickles down into future sports cars that DO sell for profits (and at better than 500 units, no doubt . . .) they could still come out ahead.

So this is more than a halo car to revive Toyota's image, it could be an investment in future sports car production.

Think of it as taking a loan out to get a graduate degree, then getting a much better paying job (lol, not these days) . . .

*axiomatik* · 10-30-2009, 12:02 PM

I don't buy it. I don't know how much of the LFA is carbon (the whole chassis?), but if they are interested in figuring out how to lower the cost of manufacturing in carbon fiber, you start with the simpler components, like the carbon fiber fenders and roof on the ZR-1. If you can figure out how to get those components down to a cost-competitive level, then you start to work on more complex and difficult components. Regardless of how much Toyota might have learned about carbon fiber in the LFA, we are a long ways away from seeing much carbon fiber in more mass-market cars. And making components for a super-expensive car with a run of just 500 cars is a far cry from making components for a car that sells 20,000 units a year.

*exitspeed* · 10-30-2009, 12:53 PM

Look at this crazy contraption the use to make the A-Pillar.
VIDEO: Weaving the Lexus LFA's carbon fiber A-pillar is mesmerizing — Autoblog

*ronmcdon* · 10-30-2009, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

I don't buy it. I don't know how much of the LFA is carbon (the whole chassis?), but if they are interested in figuring out how to lower the cost of manufacturing in carbon fiber, you start with the simpler components, like the carbon fiber fenders and roof on the ZR-1. If you can figure out how to get those components down to a cost-competitive level, then you start to work on more complex and difficult components. Regardless of how much Toyota might have learned about carbon fiber in the LFA, we are a long ways away from seeing much carbon fiber in more mass-market cars. And making components for a super-expensive car with a run of just 500 cars is a far cry from making components for a car that sells 20,000 units a year.

Much more convincing explanation than Autoblog's.

kingkilburn · 10-30-2009, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Look at this crazy contraption the use to make the A-Pillar.
VIDEO: Weaving the Lexus LFA's carbon fiber A-pillar is mesmerizing — Autoblog

That is pretty intense.

I think the technology costs the same to develop whether it be for a super car or a Corolla. Why not get some prestige while throwing your money away?

ZilviaKid · 10-30-2009, 04:03 PM

the new mclaren coming out costs less then this..

LOL

*exitspeed* · 10-30-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZilviaKid

the new mclaren coming out costs less then this..

LOL

Yeah but a McLaren isn't a Lexus...

*sarcasm*

kingkilburn · 10-30-2009, 04:29 PM

So a McLaren pulls up next to an LFA. Both roll down their windows. The driver of the McLaren asks the other "Do you have any Grey Poupon?" The driver of the LFA answers back " No but I have a bunch of these just laying around."

S13shaka · 10-30-2009, 06:25 PM

no the autoblog guy is right, just wait till the future and you'll see.

Omarius Maximus · 10-31-2009, 07:51 AM

so this thing is a C6 Z06....with 50 more horsepower, and 300K higher pricetag?

kingkilburn · 10-31-2009, 12:15 PM

You can't really compare Corvettes to anything but the GTR when talking about price. They are faster than cars that cost more than twice as much.

10-20-2009, 08:28 PM	#92
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10-20-2009, 08:58 PM	#93
deolio REAGAN SMASH! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sonoma/Santa Barbara, CA Age: 20 Posts: 618 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: deolio	i hate it. the body styling is just all over the place. __________________

10-26-2009, 11:37 AM	#104
axiomatik Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 3,503 Trader Rating: (0)	Kind of repeating what I posted on aAutoblog... $375k is totally unrealistic. Even though they are only building 500 of them, they are going to have trouble selling them outside of Japan. For that kind of money, why wouldn't I buy a Ferrari, Aston or Lambo? Brands that have long and storied histories of building sports and racing cars. Lexus has a history of building Japanese Buicks. Acura could barely sell the NSX at $90k, trying to compete against the 911 in a much larger market. The LFA is obviously more advanced than the NSX, but it's priced in serious supercar territory, where the only buyers are the super-rich. People who are very image and brand concious. I think Toyota realizes how hard it will be to sell them. That's why they have capped production at 500. That way, if they sell all of them, they've artificially lowered the supply in hopes of maintaining it's collectability. If it's a flop, they can say they never meant to sell many. I'll be curious to know if they ever sell all 500. __________________

10-26-2009, 10:29 PM	#107
OptionZero Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, CA Age: 26 Posts: 6,068 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero	Autoblog had an interesting take: Let's go back to the bird's eye view. Toyota opted for a carbon fiber structure as opposed to aluminum, and while we almost/sorta/kinda buy the line about the previous prototypes not meeting specific targets, it would've been far less expensive to manufacture the LFA out of metal rather than the exotic and expensive weave. By doing everything in-house, Toyota's learned plenty about the mass production of carbon fiber and, possibly, how to bring costs down to a more manageable level – maybe even less than aluminum. . . . The age of automotive lightness is nearly upon us, and unconventional wisdom says that the automaker who brings composite production costs out of the stratosphere is going to have a huge advantage going forward. The LFA is a test bed for that development – the first massive leap for the world's largest automaker. While weight reduction is something all enthusiasts are clamoring for, Toyota's first application is the hyper-expensive LFA. Far, far below that is the FT-86 Concept, which Toyota asserts is the model for lightweight sports coupes going forward. So they've got the LFA at the top and the FT-86 at the bottom... what's in between? We don't know, but we wouldn't be surprised if Toyota unveils something in the next few years that takes the lessons learned from the LFA and distills them into a lightweight, sub-$100k package. That model – if not that specific vehicle – seems to be the direction President Akio Toyoda is aiming for... and until then, the LFA is here: A harbinger of the future and proof that immensely entertaining things are on the way from Toyota. Finally. Read the full article for actual driving impressions of the LFA. Yes, the pricetag is retarded and they are STILL reportedly taking a loss on each vehicle sold (on a straight cost of production versus price comparison). Yes, selling only 500 is retarded. Yes, the styling is retarded. But as Autoblog observes, if designing, building, and selling the LFA also comes triggers the advantage of economies of scale of carbon fiber/aluminum construction and that design work trickles down into future sports cars that DO sell for profits (and at better than 500 units, no doubt . . .) they could still come out ahead. So this is more than a halo car to revive Toyota's image, it could be an investment in future sports car production. Think of it as taking a loan out to get a graduate degree, then getting a much better paying job (lol, not these days) . . . __________________

10-30-2009, 12:02 PM	#108
axiomatik Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 3,503 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't buy it. I don't know how much of the LFA is carbon (the whole chassis?), but if they are interested in figuring out how to lower the cost of manufacturing in carbon fiber, you start with the simpler components, like the carbon fiber fenders and roof on the ZR-1. If you can figure out how to get those components down to a cost-competitive level, then you start to work on more complex and difficult components. Regardless of how much Toyota might have learned about carbon fiber in the LFA, we are a long ways away from seeing much carbon fiber in more mass-market cars. And making components for a super-expensive car with a run of just 500 cars is a far cry from making components for a car that sells 20,000 units a year. __________________

10-20-2009, 08:15 PM	#91
ronmcdon misanthrope Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 74 Posts: 2,257 Trader Rating: (3)	pics of Celica. I see the resemblance in the front, maybe not the rear. God that was an ugly car.

10-21-2009, 07:18 AM	#94
S13shaka Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GA Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0)	The pricetag according to Lexus is going to be around $350,000

10-21-2009, 12:35 PM	#97
ronmcdon misanthrope Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 74 Posts: 2,257 Trader Rating: (3)	Yeah, it's a Toyota. 375k is going to be a stretch. It's tough imagining any rich dude shopping between a Ferrari & a Toyota. The R35 GTR is very reasonable and priced much more realistically.

10-30-2009, 04:03 PM	#112
ZilviaKid Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto Age: 20 Posts: 523 Trader Rating: (0)	the new mclaren coming out costs less then this.. LOL __________________ 93 240sx - Coupe - Ka 89 240sx - Hatch - Sr

10-30-2009, 06:25 PM	#115
S13shaka Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GA Posts: 109 Trader Rating: (0)	no the autoblog guy is right, just wait till the future and you'll see.

10-31-2009, 07:51 AM	#116
Omarius Maximus Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 472 Trader Rating: (0)	so this thing is a C6 Z06....with 50 more horsepower, and 300K higher pricetag?

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