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just an update.






http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-lf-a-future.html

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steve shadows

thats pretty kick ass

HyperTek

hahah to all thsoe people who said "its soo ugly" in the prior posts from last year

i think tis thing is nice.. looks like a GT class race car.

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Evil240

there seems to be a lot of hype about the z06... i'll have to admit.. its a very nice car, handles very nice... but its not THAT great. its 500hp v8 engine is mighty impressive and all, but the car itself (interior) looks like arse... no style.. doesnt even look sporty.

hands down.. i would take a v6 450hp tt over a 500hp v8 (especially if the gtr is awd)

vid of the z06 vs. s204 vs. murcielago vs. ztune r34 (r34 lost)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgWGYsMClKo

BC240

I just got a Job at Toyota, I wonder what the employee discount is on that badboy

exitspeed

Another update. Lexus says the LFA could be $225,000! I like Nissan's approach personally.

SANTA MONICA, California — After three auto show appearances and the occasional spy photo and video from Germany's high-speed Nürburgring test circuit, it's no secret that the Lexus LF-A supercar concept is headed for production. With an estimated 500 horsepower coming from the LF-A's 5.0-liter V10, we didn't expect the Lexus to come cheap, but Inside Line has learned that the car will carry a price tag over $200,000.

A Lexus source in Japan told Inside Line the price for the carbon-fiber supercar may be as high as $225,000.

Shown in both coupe and roadster forms, the LF-A will first launch as a coupe. Roadster versions will be priced even higher. Both body styles are approximately 2 inches shorter and an inch narrower than the 483-hp Ferrari F430, with a similarly sized wheelbase. A 2007 Ferrari F430 Spider costs $211,525.

Although final specifications have not yet been released, Lexus says the LF-A will reach a top speed over 200 mph.

What this means to you: Lexus is gunning for the Italians with the LF-A, and it's not going to cut any corners in its quest to deliver a legitimate supercar. — Kelly Toepke, News Editor

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kyoru

I feel really iffy about Lexus trying to take Ferrari and Porsche head on, good luck to em, but I just don't see it being to successful.

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exitspeed

Yea, that's why I like Nissan's approach. They left out some of elegance and extras of a $225,000 car, and made performance the #1 priority, and delivered an automotive miracle at a fraction of the price.

Sure they have the matching luggage, and other douche baggery items. But that's not what they are using to sell the car.

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stiizy

and plus that lexus is ass ugly

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s0apgun

wait i thought the fit is go?

drift freaq

ok From the pics it looks like Toyota bit a bit off the Z and the GTR and tried to throw in some cues from the 2000GT. Overall for 200k + I would take the Ferrari. I am sorry but nothing displaces the Ferrari. That Lexus is kinda ugly too and not in a positive way. Its almost like they were taking the same approach design wise that they did with the second gen Scion XB. LOL give me a Ferrari and a GTR and I am a happy camper.

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OptionZero

I presume there will be a Supra successor as well, right? They could use the GS430's V8 (hybrid or not...), less CF in the chassis, price it below $100k and fight the GTR.

I can't imagine why you'd get an LF-A instead of a DB9 or F430.

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This is supposed to be superior to the GT-R.

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OptionZero

it better be for more than double the projected price

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Mi Beardo es Loco

2 words: status car. Other than that the GT-R is superior in drivability. It might just be me but I would find it VERY hard to drive a $225,000 car no matter how much money I had. An $80,000 car is a little easier to put the miles on though. Plus, you could bash on the GT-R if you had the money to get either.

muddafakka

Am I the only one who thinks it looks like a giant electric shaver? It's a status car alright. Rich farts, their clueless wives, their spoiled kids, and their douchebag friends are gonna be driving these for sure. I don't expect a lot of true enthusiasts to purchase one. While they may impress the lesser-rich, they aren't impressing owners of Ferrari, Lamborghini, or any of those of those other top marques. They'll (well some anyways) all mock them, calling them fools for spending so much on a "Toyota". Some of them mock Corvettes and their owners, one can only imagine what they'll say about the LF-A. And even if I had that kinda money, fuck shelling out $225K for a Lexus. There are so many other better alternatives out there that I'd rather have. Like someone said earlier, F430, DB9,etc. Toyota is not the brand they used to be and the LF-A doesn't do much to change my opinion on that. When they stop concentrating so much on those lame ass Camrys and start making affordable sport compacts/sports cars again that aren't gay like the TC, maybe then I'll be more interested.

drift freaq

I would tend to agree with Option that for 225k it better be superior. Though you fail to see a very plain problem with this whole concept. Lets go back 15 some odd years. 1992.... Nissan has the 300ZXTT costing almost 40k new. Toyota has the Supra in the same price range. Mazda has the RX7 not far behind in pricing. All are doing terrible in sales.
Why? Not because they were all pretty damn cool cars for their niches. No its because the buying public is not ready to swallow a Japanese Sports car costing 35-40k or more.
Results? RX7 gets discontinued within two years as does Supra and Z32 within 4. Only reason Nissan and Toyota hung around longer is the companies were larger than Mazda and could hang onto dragging sales a little longer.
Oh and yes I did not mention the NSX but if it were not for Honda being able to absorb the costs of that car by selling so damn many Civics and whatnot.
Oh and in 1992 NSX's were going begging at 25k wholesale( ya I almost bought one).

Now fast forward to now. Nissan has just knocked the socks of the Supercar world and the car industry in general with the GTR! At the price it bows at its a instant hit and is limited production. So they are selling out every single last one slated for the first year production. At a cool 70k dealer invoice with dealer markups going to upwards of 100k I might add.

At this time the buying public is already willing to pay 30-40k for Japanese sports cars and up to 100k for a Japanese Supercar. Though asking them to pay Ferrari and Lamborghini, Maseratti, Porsche Turbo ,Aston Martin DB9, etc.. prices for a Lexus exotic? Not going to happen.

The beauty of the GTR besides being dope and not looking bad is the fact thats its affordable and kicks ass on a lot of those cars listed. So who in the hell would want to spend 225k for Lexus that might be on par maybe a litte better at twice the cost? That does not hold the prestige of the aforementioned cars(excluding the GTR)? Not many.

Like I said earlier if I was going to spend that kind of money on a car it would be a Ferrari. Something that just holds a mystique and class and is just a instant classic, that could possibly rise in Value.
The only way the LFA will rise in Value is as a collectors item due to possible limited production runs because of it being a exorbitantly priced Toyota.

Now I know you will try and come back with a comment about the GTR being expensive for a Nissan. Though there is a difference. The GTR has long term heritage to bank on, history! On top of that a R34GTR in Japan in the late 90's was a 50-60k car already. So the pricing of the GTR is really not out of line.

I won't say this is a complete fail for Toyota but I will say they are taking some big chances with not a lot of History or pricing to back it up with. Its not a Supra.

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OptionZero

the only benefit i can see is that the "Lexus" brand has already been established in the 50-80k range range

going from sub40K nissans to a GTR is probably an anomaly that rested on the gtr name and ridiculously unexpected performance

while lexus is starting out "ahead" in terms of what people are already paying for it...225k means competing with Lambo, Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc

and lexus hasn't been known for sportiness...well...ever

even the fuckin IS-F doesn't come with a true stick

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drift freaq

Well fact is Nissans were already topping out at close to 40k . Now the arguement before the GTR came out was to bring it out under the Infiniti badge for that very reason. Infiniti's were already selling in the 50-80k range as well.
Your statement about the the GTR's ridicously unexpected performance though I find fault with. Fact is R34's were already well established as Performance monsters and known for giving high profile Supercars a run for their money already. Therefor the GTR's performance I do not think was unexpected. In fact Nissan knew they had to top the R34GTR and people like I expected nothing less.

I know you like to doubt stuff Option so I am not surprised at your statement but there were a lot of people in the Performance car world expecting Nissan to pull this off.

That all aside, If Lexus were to bring the LFA in at say 125k I think they would sell it and have a possible real winner. That it being a Super Exotic for half the cost much like the GTR being a Super Car at slightly less than half the cost.

Though even though Lexus has the name both you and I agree 225k? Forget it. Lexus as a Sports car company? Let alone Super Exotic? kind of a reach. You could say they are trying to be the Mercedes Benz of Japan were as Nissan/Infiniti is the BMW.

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OptionZero

Are people "like you" the majority?

Having never had the GT-R, i can't imagine that most people in america "expected" the GT-R's performance or knew anything about the R34's performance except through hearsay.

I know you like to pump up Nissan at every opportunity so I am not surprised at your statement but there were alot oif people in the real world who did not expect Nissan to pull this off.

Toyota as the money to do anything they want, but up till now they've never wanted to build cars to go fast. They're setting their sights pretty high.

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Omarius Maximus

Hmmmm, a rediculously expensive/ugly/soulless Lexus or this:





Yeah, that's an incredibly tough decision....

02BRB20

^Aston Martins are about as useless as Maseratis

bleh.

OptionZero

um
no

thats sex on wheels

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dc2_lsvtec

i wish they wouldnt aim so high... just aim around the GTR price and performance and everyone would be much happier.

EDIT: the roadster on the lexus site looks good!

http://www.lexus.com/fcv/lf_a_roadster.html

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cuddlesthesheep

i dunno i think the LF-A coupe is one sext bitch.

but god i was hoping for a price tage of around 150K or less

infinitexsound

ferrari or lf-a??? ferrari has history and beezies love the red....ferrari wins...
lf-a looks like a suped up lotus... eh...

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drift freaq

Oh I knew even though you agreed with me for the most part you would come out swinging. LOL . You are really showing how blind or uninformed you can be.
Excuse me but there are a lot of enthusiasts out there that know all about the GTR. People that have known about the GTR's for years. You really need to leave the Grey Area and experience the World.

Your blind assumption that enthusiasts in America did not know about the GTR is as ignorant as that jack ass Dan Neil that writes for the LA Times. Who tried to get a gig on the soon to be American version of Top Gear. Ya they rejected him.
Oh and the fact that only 1500 were slated for American shores pretty shows the only people buying them are enthusiasts that know.
Oh and the world does not only exist in the U.S. lots of people outside the U.S. knew about previous GTR's.

Also your blind assumption that I am pumping Nissan for the sake of pumping Nissan shows that you assume to much about people and things. I clearly stated early I would take a Ferrari. Fuck I happen to love Ferrari's.

Fact is Nissan is a sporting car company and Toyota is more a family/luxury company. I have nothing against Toyota or their build quality I was pointing out facts but you had to make it personal.
I just feel that Toyota trying to sell a 225k Super Car under the Lexus badge name and sell one period is somewhat ludicrous.
Maybe, since your acting like such not a fan of Nissan, you should sell your S14 and shut up.

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OptionZero

omg the AMERICAN version of top gear rejected someone? u mean the same show Jay leno didn't want any part of? SNAP! damn, i think i'll stop discussing this with you because i'm defeated. Shoot. I'm dropping out of school, crawling to the nissan dealership and pray that they'll let me wash cars for them.

i'm not a fan of nissan. i just happen to like the particular one that i have (usually). I'm not a brand guy. I'll diss a bad car by any brand, i'll praise a good car by and brand. You're calling me out for being a bad fan of something I've never claimed to be a fan of? Really?

You've proved my point exactly by saying enthusiasts knew about the GTR. Enthusiasts are, by definition, those more enthusiastic than "normal", hence they are not "everyone", or even "the majority". Yuri and exitspeed will tell you that the "sports car" buying category of people is actually...well...not that big, and of those, the number that actually really cares about performance is smaller.

That only 1500 were brought over supports nothing. Why not 1501? why not 1502, or 2000, or 2500? Because Nissan's own marketing and resource suits determined that thats how many they could sell for their target price. If anything, it proves the limited extent to which Nissan felt its GTR badge could carry it.

If Nissan thought they could sell 5000 GTRs here...wouldn't they? I've never known them to not want to make money.

Really, I have nothing against Nissan or the GTR, or anything against you personally...merely what I perceive to be a Nissan bias.

Sure, I might have been a bit sarcastic with my response, but you'll notice I never told you to sell your car or insulted you directly. I am just pointing out what I see in your posts. You, on the other hand, reacted to my post on the GTR by attacking me personally.

Telling, isn't it?

You're a Nissan fan. We get it. Move along.

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calm down....... geezus................

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OptionZero

it was just too easy to tweak him

short of a poll that was conducted of the country on who thought the gtr would be good, we're just dicking around about nothing

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