theicecreamdan

This hasn't made it in here yet?

Who's fault is it? Who has to pay? How much should they pay?

What really pisses me off: We can "bail" the automakers and the banks, with a trillion dollars. But this happens, and all of a sudden we're gonna play blame game while we shit all over the gulf of mexico and smear it all over the place pretending to clean up.

Solution, Day 1 "OH SHIT... Trillion dollar reward for whatever team can cap this hole."

Day 7 "Job well done, now we can play the spread the bullshit."

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Agamemnon

This's BP's fault. 100%. They tried to replace hydrolic fluid with seawater in cost cutting measure, but 11 hours later it led to an explosion killing 11 men. Beyond that, they where within the gov't guidelines.

The gov't cant take over because they just dont have the resources BP does.

BP will have to outsource the cleanup, but should be made to pay every cent for the clean up.

ronmcdon

are there more legit sources of info on this?
I heard this on the radio recently.

If BP were following gov't guidelines (and that can be proven to be the case),
I think it's safe to say the guidelines were inadequate at best, hence gov't is at fault.
You could also say it was poor judgement to allow oil extraction in the area.
Now if BP was NOT following gov't guidelines, the the blame would largely fall on them.

How much should be paid is going to be a more difficult question if there's irreversable damage.
Imo, BP ought to be kicked out afterwards regardless.
It's not a mistake that should have occured, much less more than once.

zeitgeist

Constant irresponsibility like this is why ill never support drilling in Alaska

kikcaffine

I thought that whole reason behind this was because a check valve would have been 500 million, but incase there was a spill, BP was only responable for 75 million worth of clean up?

theicecreamdan

GOP Blocked Raising BP's Liability Cap Because Company Promised To Cover Damages (VIDEO)

How is there a cap to how much an oil company can be held liable for? I can't even comment further on this.

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ronmcdon

pretty much bullshit reasoning as to not increase the cap
ideally, you'd want a large enough company to that has the resources to handle a venture as large as this properly.
competition and capability are entirely different.
if a company as large as BP has trouble with cleanup, I'd hate to see one with less resources handle a similar crisis.

Costs aside, I think there should be further repurcussion for BP.
Read on the news today that investigations are still ongoing.



It was, if nothing else, risky politics. As it stands now, a company will pay only $75 million in economic-related liabilities. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) wants the figured bumped up to $10 billion. Asked why the GOP would block such an effort, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) suggested on Sunday that raising the cap was unnecessary because BP had given him it's word that it would cover the costs of the spill in the Gulf.

The danger in raising an economic liability cap, McConnell added, was that it would make it so that only large oil companies could drill off-shore. "If you raise the cap too high, there will be no competition in the Gulf and you will leave all the business to the big guys like BP," he said.

Gnnr

All I have to say is.

Day #53 of the continuing oil spill.

WTF!?

Is it safe to say the USA sucks at handling major catastrophes/disasters? I don't just mean the government and BP, I mean the Engineers too.

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Mikey213

^ It's not as easy as you think! But one thing's for sure, "dilution isn't the solution to pollution!"

J3123MY

Massive fail. And their attempts to fix it were total fail. Lol.

Walperstyle

Quoting myself from GarageJournal.com

Also want to add that if the laws are the same as Canada, the rig had to have pressure tested the stack (BOP) after the casing job. Thus, making sure they could close off the well in the event of a kick or something bad going on.

BP is not to blame here, if anything, pressure testers or the rig crew itself for mistakes made in shutting it in.

The only thing I can think of that would make them suck this much is if they wanted to purposely fail at capping it to buy back shares on the stock market. But I'm not one of those zeitgeist conspiracy nuts, so I'll leave it at that.

cheers!

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Agamemnon

That theory is a stretch at best. The reason they keep failing is because the odds are stacked against them. The well is at a crushing depth of 5000ft and the oil is gushing out with some much force, that they dont have enough hydrolic equipment to pump in the mud and concrete.

ThatGuy

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Z33dori

oh the irony


its pretty sad that GOP wants to make it possible for smaller, less resourceful companies to make this same fuck up. So what happens, when they cant afford to pay for their own fuck ups, that means we have to pay for it. And that is fucked up. Idk why ppl fail at this, maybe b/c they all know they know they wont suffer ever.

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kingkilburn

The oil industry saw how much Exxon was(was is a VERY key word here) to pay out in Alaska after the Valdez ran aground.

Do you think any of them want to pay that out when they have a spill of some kind?

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Slammed Assassin

what a waste of a valuable natural resource. i feel sorry for the animals and things being harmed.

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lou's40sx

OOooooo, the crew of the "Steve Irwin" on Whale Wars aint gonna like this! They may just throw stink bombs at BP now. Ooooh no...

"I will invent an alternative Fuel that is made from Lowballing."

Walperstyle

5000f is not all that far down in terms of 'wells'. I've helped punch a few wells like that. There is a few people I work with that could have fixed this problem right from the start.

hell, Maybe I should head down there and teach them how its done.

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kingkilburn

You'd think there would be some kind of solution by now as long as people have been doing this stuff.

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ThatGuy

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sickstatus

ok im done lol...

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ronmcdon

To be fair, how effectively is our gov't handling this issue?
Not saying they are to blame what occured at onset,
but I'm skeptical if they're doing enough to help out.

Much of the damage might be irreversible at this point

karl wasabi

I saw this in between two gas stations.

Arco to the left, 76 to the right.

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Gnnr

Day #58...

Lets play a game, guess how long before it stops?

I'm going to say 82.

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ronmcdon

^
you are quite the optimist.
I give it by December.

I seriously have my doubts as to whether BP even knows what the hell it's doing.
Ditto for the US govt more motivated in pointing fingers than making any constructive efforts.

zeitgeist

What are you waiting for!!
Im sure u still have connections that can make some calls! Im sure you'd cash in too
I know its not simple but no reason not to try

Propaganda

You'd be an American hero and get all the pussy you want (until Americans' A.D.D. kicks in and your 15 minutes of fame are over)

Gnnr

Day #59...



It is hurricane season..hmmm...

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aa87

Boycotting Bp gas stations won't hurt anybody except the small business owners.

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